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Post by annie on Nov 9, 2024 22:12:03 GMT
Trump said, "You'll never have to vote again" and they made excuses for what he meant, claiming we misinterpreted it. But with the documented and clear ties to Putin and the South African oligarchs now clearly running the show, I do believe we could be in a world of trouble. We know what Russia has been doing to America for the last 10 years. And now with Republicans controlling all 3 branches of government, things are really really bad. Plus, all the sane people quit. There are no guardrails left. So will there will be elections held, but they will only be a ruse? Some brilliant minds on Twitter are warning of this and I frankly am very unsettled. (Also sharing this article which I feel is a huge wakeup call for Dems: Why Does No One Understand the Real Reason Trump Won?)
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Post by micheley on Nov 9, 2024 22:54:21 GMT
So will there will be elections held, but they will only be a ruse? Some brilliant minds on Twitter are warning of this and I frankly am very unsettled. I am a pessimist, so I trend to think the 2026 midterms will be an absolute sham. If not, I expect red states and counties to make voting much much harder - fewer, smaller polling places with shorter hours, fewer or no ballot dropboxes, voter registrations purged, misinformation as to where when how to vote, malware, etc. They’ll have two years to get loyalists put in place at positions that oversee the entire election process.
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2024 22:58:08 GMT
Sure there will…just like there are in Russia 🫤
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 9, 2024 22:59:48 GMT
"You'll never have to vote again" What of it. Christians as a block have NOT been voting for a long time. They were asked this time to please go out and vote. His idea is that the country will be united enough in 4 years that their votes won't be a deciding factor. Not that people WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE. Even NH Gov. Chris Sununu said that people are reading way too much into Trump's statement. From Politico
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Post by gar on Nov 9, 2024 23:01:02 GMT
"You'll never have to vote again" What of it. Christians as a block have NOT been voting for a long time. They were asked this time to please go out and vote. His idea is that the country will be united enough in 4 years that their votes won't be a deciding factor. Not that people WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE. Even NH Gov. Chris Sununu said that people are reading way too much into Trump's statement. From Politico😂😂😂
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 10, 2024 0:22:29 GMT
Trump also said several times in the last few weeks that people didn’t need to vote (this time) because “we have plenty of votes.” I would love to know what that means and what was cooked up behind the scenes but we will likely never know.
Anyway, I don’t worry about Trump staying in power for more than four years (I don’t think he will make it that long) since he is old. I don’t know that we will slide into full dictatorship in the next few years but we have already been in a slow erosion of trust in the media and government and if he makes the FBI and DOJ under presidential control with political appointees instead of people who have experience and are supposed to be impartial, that will be really big problem.
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Post by jayfab on Nov 10, 2024 0:32:07 GMT
So will there will be elections held, but they will only be a ruse? Some brilliant minds on Twitter are warning of this and I frankly am very unsettled. I am a pessimist, so I trend to think the 2026 midterms will be an absolute sham. If not, I expect red states and counties to make voting much much harder - fewer, smaller polling places with shorter hours, fewer or no ballot dropboxes, voter registrations purged, misinformation as to where when how to vote, malware, etc. They’ll have two years to get loyalists put in place at positions that oversee the entire election process. Yup. Exactly. I have a hard time 15 million less people voted this year.
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Post by refugeepea on Nov 10, 2024 1:04:00 GMT
What of it. Christians as a block have NOT been voting for a long time. They were asked this time to please go out and vote. His idea is that the country will be united enough in 4 years that their votes won't be a deciding factor. He doesn't GAF about a united country. It's all about retribution. Ivan Raiklin has made it clear.
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Post by hopemax on Nov 10, 2024 1:28:49 GMT
We will have elections. Russia and Hungary have them. If they accurately capture the will of the citizenry is another thing.
Dave Wasserman, one of the election wonks, posted that the House may come down to the way North Carolina gerrymandered the districts between 2020 and now. 218-217. So while I know people are disappointed on a national level, don't overlook how in the states, the Democratic ticket performed better. There was no down ballot red wave, to match the mood that affected the Presidency. Governorships and State Legislatures matter in terms of gerrymandering. If people want change, they will have to fight like hell in their state first.
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Post by micheley on Nov 10, 2024 2:49:34 GMT
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 10, 2024 8:51:24 GMT
A little bit of awakening and a whole lot of bunk. Trump was ordered by the court to pay $354.8 million for a crime that wasn't a crime, that had no victims, that somehow earned high praise instead of complaints from the banks he was found to have taken advantage of, on charges that claimed Mar-a-Largo was worth an impossibly low valuation of 18 million dollars, by a DA that ran for office on the promise that she would get Trump. And that's just the absolute beginning of the things that have never been charged of any other person at any other time in the history of our nation with accusations and rulings that would have been laughed out of the vast majority of courts throughout the country. Now, if the people who rampaged throughout our major cities in 2020 were actually prosecuted, maybe the Dems would have SOME reason to pat themselves on their virtuous backs. But nah. That not only didn't happen, but the (as stated in the article) 2024 presidential candidate Kamala Harris is on the record saying she wants to end cash bail. Yet this very same woman stood at a podium as San Francisco DA and laughed as she talked about how easy it was for her to send people to prison with a swipe of her pen. One of those people was Cheree Peoples, a single, black mother of a daughter with sickle cell anemia who had EXCUSED extensive absences from school because SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. Police pounded on Cheree's door, placed her in handcuffs and perp-walked her to jail all because Kamala decided that kids who didn't go to class, i.e. were truant, cost the city too much money, and she liked money. (Kamala's words) Cheree was put through 2 years of misery before the case was dropped. She ended up losing her job, her home and almost lost her kids because of Kamala Harris' unjust prosecution. Just because something is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over doesn't make it true if it isn't. NONE of the cases against Trump stand up to even casual scrutiny. They are nonsensical at best and far more devious at worst. The part that was true in the quote is that so many of us did exactly that, we gave up... gave up listening to the "proper" paid shills in the media and spent our time watching lawyers go through these filings, appearances, orders, ect and saw the incredulity for ourselves in real time. Jealous much? It's now DISINFORMATION to watch something unedited in real time. Our history books are replete with authorities that began heavy-handedly censoring anything but what the state allowed. Those governments ended badly and include the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists of WWII that the US fought against. It must be getting ever more difficult to calm the cognizant dissonance that guys like this Michael Tomasky of newrepublic (the article referred to) want you to accept, and the proof of that is in how many people are simply refusing to listen to it any longer. And that's the reason all these radically far-left media are failing. To prove just how much of a dullard this Tomasky must be, he actually believes He couldn't survive in a mainstream lane. Right. 30 years as the number one syndicated radio show that earned him over an estimated $80 million isn't even worth mentioning. And this is the best you can do to convince someone that you actually know what you're talking about, that people should believe you and if they don't then they must be homophobic, misogynistic, racist, blahblahblahblahblah FASCISTS that support another HITLER. Yawn. Different day, same drivel.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 10, 2024 22:03:21 GMT
Are you aware that the Republicans are the ones banning books, rewriting history and trying to whitewash history? DeSantis tried to claim that blacks benefitted from slavery. Do you realize that Trump is the one threatening journalists and broadcast networks? With Trump in charge, Fox will essentially become a state run media organization again.
I think your reply proves the author’s point about conservative media speaking with one voice and the ignorance and lack of critical thinking on the part of some Trump voters. It’s like you’re living in some alternate reality with an alternate set of facts. Unfortunately, I have no idea how the Democrats will ever break through that.
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2024 9:41:46 GMT
A little bit of awakening and a whole lot of bunk. Trump was ordered by the court to pay $354.8 million for a crime that wasn't a crime, that had no victims, that somehow earned high praise instead of complaints from the banks he was found to have taken advantage of, on charges that claimed Mar-a-Largo was worth an impossibly low valuation of 18 million dollars, by a DA that ran for office on the promise that she would get Trump. And that's just the absolute beginning of the things that have never been charged of any other person at any other time in the history of our nation with accusations and rulings that would have been laughed out of the vast majority of courts throughout the country. Now, if the people who rampaged throughout our major cities in 2020 were actually prosecuted, maybe the Dems would have SOME reason to pat themselves on their virtuous backs. But nah. That not only didn't happen, but the (as stated in the article) 2024 presidential candidate Kamala Harris is on the record saying she wants to end cash bail. Yet this very same woman stood at a podium as San Francisco DA and laughed as she talked about how easy it was for her to send people to prison with a swipe of her pen. One of those people was Cheree Peoples, a single, black mother of a daughter with sickle cell anemia who had EXCUSED extensive absences from school because SHE WAS IN THE HOSPITAL. Police pounded on Cheree's door, placed her in handcuffs and perp-walked her to jail all because Kamala decided that kids who didn't go to class, i.e. were truant, cost the city too much money, and she liked money. (Kamala's words) Cheree was put through 2 years of misery before the case was dropped. She ended up losing her job, her home and almost lost her kids because of Kamala Harris' unjust prosecution. Just because something is repeated over and over and over and over and over and over and over and over doesn't make it true if it isn't. NONE of the cases against Trump stand up to even casual scrutiny. They are nonsensical at best and far more devious at worst. The part that was true in the quote is that so many of us did exactly that, we gave up... gave up listening to the "proper" paid shills in the media and spent our time watching lawyers go through these filings, appearances, orders, ect and saw the incredulity for ourselves in real time. Jealous much? It's now DISINFORMATION to watch something unedited in real time. Our history books are replete with authorities that began heavy-handedly censoring anything but what the state allowed. Those governments ended badly and include the German Nazis and the Italian Fascists of WWII that the US fought against. It must be getting ever more difficult to calm the cognizant dissonance that guys like this Michael Tomasky of newrepublic (the article referred to) want you to accept, and the proof of that is in how many people are simply refusing to listen to it any longer. And that's the reason all these radically far-left media are failing. To prove just how much of a dullard this Tomasky must be, he actually believes He couldn't survive in a mainstream lane. Right. 30 years as the number one syndicated radio show that earned him over an estimated $80 million isn't even worth mentioning. And this is the best you can do to convince someone that you actually know what you're talking about, that people should believe you and if they don't then they must be homophobic, misogynistic, racist, blahblahblahblahblah FASCISTS that support another HITLER. Yawn. Different day, same drivel. That’s quite a screed. Do you mind sharing the name of the Orange County DA who chose to apply California’s truancy law to Cheree Peoples in such a performative and public way? To make an example of her? She was prosecuted by the county, not by the state, just so you know. Please also share his political affiliation. Nah. Lots of people have been convicted of falsifying business records in New York. Trump was indicted and convicted by a jury of his peers who had a lot more access to the correct evidence than you did. www.justsecurity.org/85605/survey-of-past-new-york-felony-prosecutions-for-falsifying-business-records/Indeed. Now please tell me which party has been leading the charge to ban books they don't agree with, both in schools and in public libraries. Often the disinformation comes when you believe what someone else is telling you is happening in the video, even though there is no visible or audible evidence in the video itself. I will never forget when you all tried to say that police horses were running over anti-vax/mask protesters in Canada, and you posted some video as "proof." In the video we saw and heard a lot of people and horses, and someone shouted something, but there was nothing visible or audible to indicate that someone was actually run over by a police horse. You would claim that this "unedited in real time" video was showing the truth, but the fact was the people who captioned it lied about what was actually shown. And yes, that is very much disinformation. Your oddly specific defense of Rush Limbaugh - known drug addict with four marriages and a history of saying disgusting things about women and approving things about serial philanderers like his buddy Newt Gingrich - is weird.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 11, 2024 12:54:50 GMT
By watching unedited in real time, are you referring to the insurrection on Jan 6? The entire country watched the violence unfold on TV. Trump and his supporters tried to overturn the election because they didn’t like the results. Then we listened to Republicans deny that it was violent, pretend it was an ordinary day. Lie that Democrats or antifa was responsible etc
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Post by lesley on Nov 11, 2024 13:09:10 GMT
"You'll never have to vote again" What of it. Christians as a block have NOT been voting for a long time. They were asked this time to please go out and vote. His idea is that the country will be united enough in 4 years that their votes won't be a deciding factor.Not that people WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE. Even NH Gov. Chris Sununu said that people are reading way too much into Trump's statement. From PoliticoDo you honestly believe this? Does it make sense to you? The happiest countries in the world still have elections. Elections that matter. Not lip service, not fake, like Russia and Hungary. You really think the USA will be so united and happy that “their vote won’t be a deciding factor”? What does that even mean? ( Maybe add it to your list of definitions.) You always seemed an intelligent Pea, albeit more to the right than I am. (And let’s face it, even left-leaning Americans tend to be more conservative than the European left.) But your political posts since the election come across as astonishingly blinkered.
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Post by aj2hall on Nov 11, 2024 14:08:41 GMT
Sununu is my governor and he’s done a decent job. But he has ambition and higher political aspirations. He criticized Trump but when Trump became the nominee he kissed the ring and bent the knee. Just like every other Republican, he makes excuses for Trump. Oh he didn’t really mean it, that’s just how he talks, he was exaggerating etc.
Was Trump exaggerating when he said he would be dictator but only for a day? Or when he said he would terminate the constitution? Or violence if he lost the election?
Don’t believe it, look what he already tried. He tried to overthrow the results of the election because he lost.
If you truly believe he didn’t mean any of those things, then how do you know what to believe? If you can’t trust what he says, how can you trust that he will actually fix the economy or anything else? Are you just cherry picking what you want to believe and ignoring what you don’t like or what doesn’t fit your narrative
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Post by Merge on Nov 11, 2024 19:33:46 GMT
What of it. Christians as a block have NOT been voting for a long time. They were asked this time to please go out and vote. His idea is that the country will be united enough in 4 years that their votes won't be a deciding factor.Not that people WON'T BE ABLE TO VOTE. Even NH Gov. Chris Sununu said that people are reading way too much into Trump's statement. From PoliticoDo you honestly believe this? Does it make sense to you? The happiest countries in the world still have elections. Elections that matter. Not lip service, not fake, like Russia and Hungary. You really think the USA will be so united and happy that “their vote won’t be a deciding factor”? What does that even mean? ( Maybe add it to your list of definitions.) Yes, we'll be super united because Trump will have imprisoned everyone who speaks out against him. Fascist style. He's got a whole list, apparently.
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Post by YooHoot on Nov 12, 2024 3:48:47 GMT
Probably because Elon Musk pulled some shady shit. He said he didn’t need votes. Who says that unless they are sure they are going to win. I’m waiting f for the other shoe to drop.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 12, 2024 5:25:36 GMT
No
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Post by cindosha on Nov 12, 2024 12:36:21 GMT
Do you honestly believe this? Does it make sense to you? The happiest countries in the world still have elections. Elections that matter. Not lip service, not fake, like Russia and Hungary. You really think the USA will be so united and happy that “their vote won’t be a deciding factor”? What does that even mean? ( Maybe add it to your list of definitions.) Yes, we'll be super united because Trump will have imprisoned everyone who speaks out against him. Fascist style. He's got a whole list, apparently. Yes, we'll be super united because Trump will have imprisoned everyone who speaks out against him. Fascist style.
OMG!!! I know you are probably trying to make a point, but if you truly believe that this is going to happen, you are going to have a pretty horrible next 4 years.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 14:42:48 GMT
Yes, we'll be super united because Trump will have imprisoned everyone who speaks out against him. Fascist style. He's got a whole list, apparently. Yes, we'll be super united because Trump will have imprisoned everyone who speaks out against him. Fascist style.
OMG!!! I know you are probably trying to make a point, but if you truly believe that this is going to happen, you are going to have a pretty horrible next 4 years. How do you decide which of the things he says he's going to do he will actually do, and which ones he won't? He's been pretty consistent with this one. www.npr.org/2024/10/21/nx-s1-5134924/trump-election-2024-kamala-harris-elizabeth-cheney-threat-civil-liberties
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