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Post by Zee on Nov 10, 2024 4:09:38 GMT
I finally finished Nobody Wants This.
I absolutely could, in name only, change my religion. But I wouldn't mean a bit of it. And if the SO in question was a rabbi or pastor or whatever religious leader allows a spouse, I could never fake it convincingly enough for marriage.
I'd sadly have to end that before it really even began.
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Post by samantha25 on Nov 10, 2024 6:22:21 GMT
No
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Post by AussieMeg on Nov 10, 2024 7:26:39 GMT
I was thinking about the same thing after watching that show! I was initially thinking that if I was really in love with someone, perhaps I could convert to their religion, just so I was able to be with them, even if I didn't really believe what they believed. But in the scenario in the show, as the wife of a Rabbi, she would have to live and breathe it. Nope, I couldn't do that.
Then the more I though about it, I realised that if I started seeing someone and I found out that they were religious (any religion / denomination), I would know immediately that we were in no way compatible, and I would not pursue a relationship with them.
TL;DR: No
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2024 8:58:17 GMT
I was thinking about the same thing after watching that show! I was initially thinking that if I was really in love with someone, perhaps I could convert to their religion, just so I was able to be with them, even if I didn't really believe what they believed. But in the scenario in the show, as the wife of a Rabbi, she would have to live and breathe it. Nope, I couldn't do that. Then the more I though about it, I realised that if I started seeing someone and I found out that they were religious (any religion / denomination), I would know immediately that we were in no way compatible, and I would not pursue a relationship with them. TL;DR: No What she said I am of no faith...I couldn't pretend sufficiently well, nor would I want to.
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Post by lainey on Nov 10, 2024 9:01:22 GMT
No. I have zero belief in any religion so I could never see myself suddenly becoming a 'whatever ' because of a man.
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Post by trixiecat on Nov 10, 2024 12:06:45 GMT
No. My husband is Jewish and I am protestant. We decided it was important to raise our kids "something", but neither would ask the other to convert. I just don't understand if someone is one religion and has practiced, how they can all of a sudden say, "oh, I am now this religion" and take on a totally different religion and sometimes culture.
We have a good friend who raised his daughters with no religion at all. She is getting married next month to someone who is a very religious Catholic. She converted because of him. I can almost see that since she had no religion to start.
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Post by gillyp on Nov 10, 2024 12:14:38 GMT
No. My husband is Jewish and I am protestant. We decided it was important to raise our kids "something", but neither would ask the other to convert. I just don't understand if someone is one religion and has practiced, how they can all of a sudden say, "oh, I am now this religion" and take on a totally different religion and sometimes culture. We have a good friend who raised his daughters with no religion at all. She is getting married next month to someone who is a very religious Catholic. She converted because of him. I can almost see that since she had no religion to start.I take the polar opposite view to that. I can understand someone with a faith being able to convert to another but as a person with no faith, I would not - could not - take one up because of a partner.
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Post by hop2 on Nov 10, 2024 12:34:25 GMT
I did not. I told him marry me as I am or not. And not because I had a deep connection to my religion. I am spiritual and have a connection with god but owe nothing to the religion in which I was raised (& brainwashed ) . It is probably the only thing I had a spine about until my divorce.
However by the time I got married I felt that organized religion of any kind encompassed all that is bad about faith & spirituality.
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Post by compeateropeator on Nov 10, 2024 12:52:02 GMT
I could/would superficially. Being non-religious it would have little true meaning and I am sure I would not be able to convince anyone.
I am not sure I would want to be in a relationship where I had to pretend with such a large and important part of so many people’s identity though. Religion is very important to people so I would not want to feel like I was disrespecting them or their beliefs by pretending. I would rather be able to be together with both people going into it knowing what they are really getting.
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Post by Gennifer on Nov 10, 2024 13:13:49 GMT
Eww, is that how it ends, with her converting to Judaism? I’ve only watched one episode and meant to get back to it, but knowing that I won’t bother.
To answer your question: No. Having to change anything significant about yourself to be with another person is the wrong way to begin a relationship, and a clear signal it’s not going to work long term.
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Post by sarahruby on Nov 10, 2024 13:19:02 GMT
I watched all the episodes, I enjoyed it. I would not convert tho.
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Post by disneypal on Nov 10, 2024 13:19:59 GMT
No, I wouldn’t
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Post by Restless Spirit on Nov 10, 2024 13:23:06 GMT
No.
My BIL (a Methodist) dated a JW. When things got serious, he converted for her. She then proceeded to drop him like a hot potato. (This apparently was her MO. Convert guys and drop them.). My BIL then dated his now wife. She was a Southern Baptist. She converted to JW for him. Her father never forgave her and my BIL hated his FIL ever since. It’s a mess. Frankly, like many converts and not “born” into a religion, my BIL and SIL are religious zealots. They live, breathe and preach their religion 24/7, as do their adult children (who all married cradle JW’s). Their son and his wife work for the church, as does a Son-in-law. None will be having children because of their calling and dedication to their faith, along with their belief that the end is near. I could never live like that. I find them all exhausting. I’m glad they live 100’’s of miles away.
Half of my DH’s family converted. If he would have chosen that path, we would be divorced and I’d have done everything in my power to protect our daughter from my in-laws.
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Post by wellway on Nov 10, 2024 13:26:47 GMT
Short answer no, long answer, absolutely not.
My views are mine, part of me, I'm on my own journey, I'd never convert for a relationship, would he be up to become atheist?
Other people might find a way to navigate all the ways this decision would impact their life going forward but I couldn't. And I couldn't pretend.
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Post by Gennifer on Nov 10, 2024 13:27:58 GMT
“Flirt to convert” is a common saying in the Mormon church. 😜
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 10, 2024 13:35:29 GMT
I was sincere about my religious beliefs at an earlier time in my life. But once I began to question and apply critical thinking to those beliefs, I did “pretend” for a time.
At this point, I feel such disdain toward religion (of virtually any faith) that I would be categorically unable to convince anyone I believed.
I live in the southern “Bible Belt” and so do attend weddings, funerals, and the like in churches. I am respectful but do not speak any of the words or bow my head for prayer. If anyone was paying attention to me, they would surely recognize that I was not a participant. I do want to be present though in support of the people involved.
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Post by lainey on Nov 10, 2024 13:47:28 GMT
Eww, is that how it ends, with her converting to Judaism? I’ve only watched one episode and meant to get back to it, but knowing that I won’t bother. No, that's not how it ends thank goodness.
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Post by anaterra on Nov 10, 2024 14:11:07 GMT
Eww, is that how it ends, with her converting to Judaism? I’ve only watched one episode and meant to get back to it, but knowing that I won’t bother. No, that's not how it ends thank goodness. That's not how it ends... yet!! But Erin Foster who co-wrote with her sister, Sara... DID in fact convert for him.. so if the show picks up for more seasons I am sure they will follow along with her life... thats what the show is based on... Her dh is not a rabbi but he is pretty jewish and it was important enough for him, so she did...
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Post by anaterra on Nov 10, 2024 14:12:44 GMT
OHHH but to answer the question.. NO I would never... and I am not a good enough actress to pretend for to long... id have to stop that from the beginning...
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Post by pilcas on Nov 10, 2024 14:16:26 GMT
No, I would not. My husband of 30 yrs is religious and attends services every week. He is also a really kind person who believes everybody has a right to their own beliefs and has no desire to impose his on anyone else. We were married by a justice of the peace. As I have gotten older I’m basically an atheist although born Catholic. My parents were not particularly religious either. Our kids were not raised in any religion. I think if you are respectful of each others beliefs it can work. I do know someone who was Jewish and converted to Catholicism but neither person was religious to begin with, mostly a tradition thing. They have been happily married for 30yrs at least. If both parties were of a certain religion but not particularly religious it might work.
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Post by Zee on Nov 10, 2024 14:30:43 GMT
No, that's not how it ends thank goodness. That's not how it ends... yet!! But Erin Foster who co-wrote with her sister, Sara... DID in fact convert for him.. so if the show picks up for more seasons I am sure they will follow along with her life... thats what the show is based on... Her dh is not a rabbi but he is pretty jewish and it was important enough for him, so she did... Interesting, I did not know that. It would be hard because obviously he's a great guy, but there is just no way I could be the rabbi's wife. Or even really pretend to keep the necessary dietary restrictions, etc. Also I'm never giving up my Catholic kitsch so he'd have to be ok with that too. Lol
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Post by janeliz on Nov 10, 2024 14:44:14 GMT
Back when I was in my 20’s? Possibly. Now? No.
I suppose it’s more complicated if you’re marrying a rabbi or a minister of some sort, but I find that some younger people think religion will be more important in their future than it actually ends up being. I have a friend who converted to Catholicism for her husband. They attended a Catholic Church for 5 years and then switched to the Episcopal church because it had a better preschool. 🤷♀️
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Post by anaterra on Nov 10, 2024 14:44:44 GMT
Erin and Sara Foster are children belonging to David Foster the music guru.. he is currently married to Katherine McPhee.. who was on American Idol..
David Foster was also married to Linda Thompson supermodel... mother Brody and Brandon Jenner (from Caitlyn Jenner whose deadname is Bruce)..
and He was also married to Yolanda Hadid... Bella and Gigi (victoria secret angels and other supermodels) mom...
why I know also this random-ness... I have no idea... but I am pop culture kinda fan.. soooo there you go.. lmao
more then anyone cares to know..
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Post by Darcy Collins on Nov 10, 2024 14:54:43 GMT
I could incorporate someone else's traditions into my life and respect their beliefs. I do think that it's a whole different level if someone is beyond a "cultural" religion and a rabbi/pastor. I was raised Catholic, and while I do not go to church there are some aspects that stick with me - you'll never celebrate Christmas again sounds kinda crazy. I know it's a bit different as many of the christian holidays have become so secular and ingrained in our culture, they've pretty far disconnected to any real religious meaning for many people.
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Post by Linda on Nov 10, 2024 15:00:31 GMT
I am (was) the more religious person in a mixed marriage - I'm Catholic, he was (non-practising) RLDS (which has another name now). If my dh chooses to convert - it better be because feels drawn to the Faith and wants to convert for HIMself. I had NO expectation that he would convert and would never dream of asking him to. We've raised the children Catholic and he's been supportive of that and he's always been supportive of my Catholic traditions in the home.
My parents also had a mixed marriage - mum was Catholic, dad was baptised CofE but was agnostic. Mum never asked or suggested (afaik) that dad convert (he was divorced so it would have been more complicated anyway) and she did raise us Catholic but only to the point of Sunday Mass and the Sacraments - we didn't have a Catholic home life because she didn't want to offend dad (who wouldn't have been offended tbh) and she tried talking me out of being "too" Catholic because she worried that would drive my DH away.
So long story short - no I would not convert for a man nor would I expect one to convert for me. Faith (and conversion) should be between the person and God.
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Post by Merge on Nov 10, 2024 15:14:36 GMT
No. I don't think you can truly decide to start believing something you had realized previously wasn't true.
I'll be disappointed if that's where the show goes next season. I love that, in the end, he seemed willing to give up on being head rabbi so that he could be with her.
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Post by peabay on Nov 10, 2024 15:41:55 GMT
Yes.
The boyfriend I had prior to my dh was Jewish and we often talked about if we stayed together, I would convert. I was born and raised Catholic but was never much of a believer; I would've converted and adapted. I honestly don't think it would've been that difficult for me.
I'm just grateful it never came to that - not because of religion, but because he was a bit of an asshole and I think I would've had an unhappy life with him, Jewish or not.
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Post by gar on Nov 10, 2024 15:45:10 GMT
We have a good friend who raised his daughters with no religion at all. She is getting married next month to someone who is a very religious Catholic. She converted because of him. I can almost see that since she had no religion to start. I think that would be even harder because if you know/believe that there are no gods, no greater beings, no guiding spirit then it would be almost impossible to overcome that and suddenly decide there was after all.
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Post by scrapmaven on Nov 10, 2024 16:15:57 GMT
I couldn't convert, because it would be disingenuous. My dh is Buddhist. We were together years before we got married and discussed religion and kids before we got married. Dh was fine w/the kids being Jewish. Buddhism is very different than the Judeo/Christian belief system. It's almost more about internal work than a higher power. People of all religions can practice Buddhist principles. I'm not religious, though I used to be fairly devout. So, my kids were raised w/Judaism, but we didn't go to temple regularly. Though they went to the temple pre-school. We were married by a judge, because we both wanted to stay true to ourselves. It was a beautiful wedding and very spiritual and romantic in it's own way.
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Post by pinklady on Nov 10, 2024 16:20:07 GMT
No, I’m not a fraud even in the name of love.
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