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Post by paget on Nov 10, 2024 16:23:33 GMT
I wouldn’t convert because I already have my beliefs- if I just “changed” them, then I didn’t believe or care in the first place?
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Post by chaosisapony on Nov 10, 2024 16:35:36 GMT
No. I'm an atheist and I have no desire to be with anyone devout enough to require me to join their religion.
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Post by ntsf on Nov 10, 2024 16:50:58 GMT
no. I am a faithful presbyterian, and my dh is an atheist. he sees what I "get" out of my faith, and I see that he is a good moral person. we never tried to change each other in that way.
our kids were brought up going to church, but they certainly were allowed to make their own choices in. middle school and above and all are atheists. that's ok with me.. it is their choice.
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Post by katlady on Nov 10, 2024 16:54:07 GMT
No. I'm an atheist and I have no desire to be with anyone devout enough to require me to join their religion. This is pretty much me. If I was younger though, in my twenties, I could see myself doing it for “love”. But now, no way. I am too set in my views about religion. I was raised in a non-religious household, although I was exposed to different religions. My SO went to the Buddhist church as a kid. He kept going only so he could play in the basketball league. So there was no trying to convert me when we got married. I have a friend who converted to Judaism when she got married. She was not very religious before that. And I have another friend who converted to Catholicism.
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 10, 2024 16:59:12 GMT
I couldn’t switch to skim milk when I was with my ex, there’s no way I’m converting.
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Post by jill8909 on Nov 10, 2024 17:08:01 GMT
Absolutely. to me religion is culture. I don't believe in any god, so yes. And I loved that show!!
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Post by mom on Nov 10, 2024 17:23:22 GMT
Yes, I did once and swore I'd never do it again.
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Post by bc2ca on Nov 10, 2024 17:28:17 GMT
I didn't convert although I agreed to christen our kids in DH's religion and we did attend his church for a number of years. FWIW, the congregation was much more of a social club until a new father came in with a very fundamentalist POV and started quoting things he'd read on the internet from the pulpit and we were out of there. Funny thing is DH considered his nonOrthodox wife to have more responsibility to teach our kids the ins-n-outs of his religion. I was always very respectful of his religion (and still am) but pushed back hard on who was responsible for teaching the kids. I can believe that someone not 100% connected to the religion they were raised in could be drawn to another religion as an adult. Fundamentally they all have a similar starting point and basic build community/family and treat others as you want to be treated base. Every religion has fundamentalist branches, a patriarchal hierarchy and secretive/insider elements.
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Post by kiera on Nov 10, 2024 17:30:24 GMT
I'm an atheist and have never followed religion, so no. I couldn't be with someone who was deeply religious - we just wouldn't be compatible. If I have to change a fundamental part of myself to be with somebody, then they aren't the right person for me.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Nov 10, 2024 17:39:03 GMT
My BFF here did and they think they need to live in poverty because her loser husband has 4 million relatives back home who all need money. I wish she would leave him because BFF looks like hell because of their faith involvement. He has her believing she cannot have friends not in the faith. You cannot believe the bull shit he makes her believe.
I would never convert to anything knowing what I know now.
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Post by julie5 on Nov 10, 2024 17:46:35 GMT
No.
I did convert from basic Christian to Lutheran when I got engaged, but the Lutheran faith more aligned with beliefs anyway.
These last few years, however, I question the Bible and everything in it. It seems like another version of Greek mythology to me, not realistic at all. But I wouldn’t come that decision for someone else. It’s my personal feeling and I control that, no one else.
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 10, 2024 18:40:31 GMT
Would you convert for a relationship? ... I absolutely could, in name only, change my religion. But I wouldn't mean a bit of it. Absolutely not. No way. No how. And by conversion I'm referring to a pretty substantial change in doctrines of belief. There are minor differences between many denominations that don't rise to the level of needing conversion.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Nov 10, 2024 19:03:34 GMT
I couldn’t switch to skim milk when I was with my ex, there’s no way I’m converting. Haha! In 1985 when I married for the first time, I switched to his bank and he switched to my church. Now, milk? No way. I'll never leave my whole milk.
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Post by Zee on Nov 10, 2024 19:24:02 GMT
Would you convert for a relationship? ... I absolutely could, in name only, change my religion. But I wouldn't mean a bit of it. Absolutely not. No way. No how. And by conversion I'm referring to a pretty substantial change in doctrines of belief. There are minor differences between many denominations that don't rise to the level of needing conversion. In the case of this show, it would require conversion because he's the rabbi. He would need for his children to be Jewish. (His promotion to head rabbi hinges on it) Just got me thinking about whether anyone else could do this. The guy in question is otherwise perfect.
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Post by trixiecat on Nov 10, 2024 19:24:10 GMT
We have a good friend who raised his daughters with no religion at all. She is getting married next month to someone who is a very religious Catholic. She converted because of him. I can almost see that since she had no religion to start. I think that would be even harder because if you know/believe that there are no gods, no greater beings, no guiding spirit then it would be almost impossible to overcome that and suddenly decide there was after all. I believe she was raised nothing because both parents are shallow - not because they didn't believe in anything. Her mom is Jewish and her dad is Catholic. Now that the parents are divorced and she converted, the dad attends mass once a week with the daughter and her fiancee. The only reason he goes is it is the only way he can spend time with her each week (that is a whole different story for another time). My husband, who is Jewish, will remind his friend from time to time that his daughters are Jewish because their mom is Jewish - ha!
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Post by leftturnonly on Nov 10, 2024 19:49:53 GMT
Absolutely not. No way. No how. And by conversion I'm referring to a pretty substantial change in doctrines of belief. There are minor differences between many denominations that don't rise to the level of needing conversion. In the case of this show, it would require conversion because he's the rabbi. He would need for his children to be Jewish. (His promotion to head rabbi hinges on it) Just got me thinking about whether anyone else could do this. The guy in question is otherwise perfect. I share many beliefs with Jews and I would enjoy deep discussions with a rabbi. My belief is absolute that the promises of the coming Messiah found in the Torah have been fulfilled and the rabbi would need to be at least willing to honestly discuss it for me to consider having any kind of relationship other than acquaintance. Jewish rabbis have realized that the coming Messiah is one and the same as the risen Savior. If that were to happen with some hypothetical rabbi, there would at least be a possibility of some kind of future together with me. I would not convert to Judaism because I believe the Son of God has already come, so it would be a lie and unfair to both faiths. (And if the man were a devout Catholic, I would not convert to Catholicism because I believe in talking to God directly and not through intercessors such as a priest.) I'm past child-bearing so any question of how to raise future children is moot. IRL, I married someone with beliefs close enough to my own that there was no issue raising our children. That was by my considered choice and it was one of the best decisions of my entire life.
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Post by mich5481 on Nov 10, 2024 22:33:38 GMT
“Flirt to convert” is a common saying in the Mormon church. 😜 We called it missionary dating and we were taught it was a bad thing. A girl I knew who was Southern Baptist started dating a Mormon with the goal of converting him. Thirtyish years later, they're married with 3 kids, she's a Mormon, and her dad never went to her wedding.
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Post by epeanymous on Nov 10, 2024 22:47:51 GMT
I think not everyone has deeply-held religious beliefs that they are invested in from birth, and that a lot of people, even aside from relationships, explore religions other than the one they were raised to believe. We have plenty of people at my temple who converted, although you’re not supposed to be singling people out for having converted so it’s not like you necessarily know who converted.
Reform Judaism isn’t really like this now, but a lot of women convert or used to convert so that if their kids were going to be raised in Judaism the kids wouldn’t have to convert. I had a friend who was raised by a Jewish father and a non-Jewish mother and married someone who was conservative rather than reform and had to spend her engagement doing an Orthodox conversion.
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Post by cmpeter on Nov 10, 2024 23:53:27 GMT
Im an atheist, so no I wouldn’t convert.
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Nov 11, 2024 2:09:27 GMT
Nope. I have many close friends who are agnostic or atheist but I couldn't be married to one. My husband is much much less "religious" (I hate that word but it will suffice) than I am but we have the same basic beliefs and he's willing to support me in the faith-filled ways I raise our children.
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Post by kate on Nov 11, 2024 2:19:04 GMT
Also I'm never giving up my Catholic kitsch so he'd have to be ok with that too. Lol This made me LOL... until I realized I'd just bought a new piece of said kitsch this very morning.
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Post by anaterra on Nov 11, 2024 2:36:47 GMT
Also I'm never giving up my Catholic kitsch so he'd have to be ok with that too. Lol This made me LOL... until I realized I'd just bought a new piece of said kitsch this very morning. That's funny... reminds me of the thread who had better stuff catholic or mormon.. lol
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Post by littlemama on Nov 11, 2024 2:38:28 GMT
I wouldn’t convert because I already have my beliefs- if I just “changed” them, then I didn’t believe or care in the first place? I think my beliefs have evolved over the years as I've learned more and lived more. My DH wasnt raised with religion, although his mom says they were Church of Christ members, he doesnt ever remember attending church and he was not baptized. He was baptized before we were married and became Lutheran (i was born to Catholic and Southern Baptist parents and went to Catholic church until I made my first communion. I became Lutheran late in high school). None of us is religious now in the least.
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Post by Cupcake on Nov 11, 2024 3:03:12 GMT
I was raised by a Jewish father and a Protestant mother, and married a Catholic over 27 years ago. Even though it is my dad who is Jewish and not my mom, I was raised Jewish, as was my brother. Brother converted when his firstborn was baptized and is now a full-time UCC Minister. Sooo my family has a “colorful“ religious background 🤣
I did not convert when I got married. Obviously, neither one of us is super religious. Having different religions has honestly been a non-issue. Being a kind human is way more important to me.
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Post by brynn on Nov 11, 2024 6:23:17 GMT
No
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Post by peano on Nov 11, 2024 6:57:43 GMT
In the case of this show, it would require conversion because he's the rabbi. He would need for his children to be Jewish. (His promotion to head rabbi hinges on it) Just got me thinking about whether anyone else could do this. The guy in question is otherwise perfect. I share many beliefs with Jews and I would enjoy deep discussions with a rabbi. My belief is absolute that the promises of the coming Messiah found in the Torah have been fulfilled and the rabbi would need to be at least willing to honestly discuss it for me to consider having any kind of relationship other than acquaintance. Jewish rabbis have realized that the coming Messiah is one and the same as the risen Savior. If that were to happen with some hypothetical rabbi, there would at least be a possibility of some kind of future together with me.
I would not convert to Judaism because I believe the Son of God has already come, so it would be a lie and unfair to both faiths. (And if the man were a devout Catholic, I would not convert to Catholicism because I believe in talking to God directly and not through intercessors such as a priest.) I'm past child-bearing so any question of how to raise future children is moot. IRL, I married someone with beliefs close enough to my own that there was no issue raising our children. That was by my considered choice and it was one of the best decisions of my entire life. Nope (to the part I've bolded). Jews who believe in traditional Jewish doctrine believe the Messiah has not yet come. Nowhere is it said by true Jews that the Messiah is Jesus. Traditional Jews repudiate Jesus as the Messiah. If you are drawing your statement from Jews for Jesus, they are not true Jews, they are Christians. I would never convert for a relationship because my beliefs are personal and for me, not for false display to others. I would not even convert to a more stringent form of Judaism.
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Post by sharlag on Nov 12, 2024 18:13:31 GMT
Within the Protestant Christian faith, I'd consider it. DH is Catholic. I'd convert, but not really believe or embrace some of the doctrine.
Wouldn't convert to Jewish though.
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Post by malibou on Nov 12, 2024 18:27:58 GMT
I was thinking about the same thing after watching that show! I was initially thinking that if I was really in love with someone, perhaps I could convert to their religion, just so I was able to be with them, even if I didn't really believe what they believed. But in the scenario in the show, as the wife of a Rabbi, she would have to live and breathe it. Nope, I couldn't do that. Then the more I though about it, I realised that if I started seeing someone and I found out that they were religious (any religion / denomination), I would know immediately that we were in no way compatible, and I would not pursue a relationship with them. TL;DR: No What she said I am of no faith...I couldn't pretend sufficiently well, nor would I want to. Me either.
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Post by papersilly on Nov 12, 2024 18:40:48 GMT
no.
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Post by peace on Nov 12, 2024 18:52:55 GMT
no, I couldn't. I did a big dive into trying to find a religion back in my 20's. I'm completely comfortable in what I believe/don't believe and wouldn't go through that for literally anyone
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