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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 14:20:06 GMT
I read this article this morning and I thought it was only moderately interesting. However, the comments on the article were quite interesting. This is a gift link so everyone can read it: Even Exercise Has a Gender GapSo what is it? Lazy partners? Women not advocating for themselves? Children not being taught independence? Taking on more mental load than we should? Overscheduling? Increasing mental health issues? Not being athletic in the first place? Pushing back on the notion that we have to be fit, thin, etc. (fat acceptance)? The article cites only 33% of women exercise regularly. So even though they used a mother of small children as an example, I'm hard pressed to believe that this is the problem for 2/3 of the female population. If you don't exercise and want to share why you don't, please feel free. I feel really good when I exercise. I get a total mental health boost from it. However, mental health (bipolar and ADHD) keep me from being successful at establishing a pattern of exercise. I also get distracted easily. So something like walking or running, I swear when I'm about two minutes into it, I'm ready to be done because of the kind of boredom I am dealing with. This is an ongoing fight for me. Time is not an issue.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Nov 12, 2024 14:52:38 GMT
I don’t, and I’ll own it. Honestly, there aren’t many things that I truly enjoy doing exercise wise, I hate it all. I used to be able to go roller skating with my kid pre-pandemic on Wednesday nights when DH was in his sports leagues. I even bought both of us skates because we were going every week for a couple years running. But Covid shut down our local indoor rink. The next closest one is about a 40 minute drive one way which would mean driving back and getting home much later at night than I like, and we’re not home other times when it’s open. Having arthritis in my feet and lower back and living with chronic pain also makes everything less enjoyable than it otherwise might be. Truthfully, if I had an extra hour in my day that I could allocate to anything, I would put it toward sleeping more which is also something I don’t get enough of.
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Post by Merge on Nov 12, 2024 15:07:18 GMT
Yes, I think we as women tend to put ourselves last and defer to others' needs before making time for ourselves. Once we have that time, we are often too tired. Now that my kids are grown and gone, I'm really making a point of prioritizing myself.
This will seem like a little thing to some of you, but a couple of weeks ago DH was mad because he was on an important work call and the dogs were bothering him. The dogs are trained well enough that he can tell him to leave them alone, but somehow that wasn't enough and he needed me to make sure I didn't leave the house while he was on work calls so I can manage the dogs.
I told him no. This happened to blow up while I was at the gym and I told him that I had confidence in his ability to manage the dogs in any number of ways while he works without relying on me to be his unpaid assistant during the day. He doesn't necessarily hang around to manage the dogs while I'm teaching students. And that I would go to the gym when I felt like it, as he has done literally all our married life.
That was a big deal for me. So yeah, the message that we deprioritize ourselves resonates with me.
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Post by padresfan619 on Nov 12, 2024 15:13:06 GMT
When I was a SAHM and had lots of time I exercised every day. I had 2-3 hours to stretch a walk into a morning at the playground because most days I had nowhere I *had* to be at a certain time. Now that I’m back at work I don’t have that luxury so exercise has definitely taken a back seat. I do still try to get a walk in but I’m not doing peloton work outs or any kind of strength training like I used to.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 15:28:07 GMT
I don’t, and I’ll own it. Honestly, there aren’t many things that I truly enjoy doing exercise wise, I hate it all. I used to be able to go roller skating with my kid pre-pandemic on Wednesday nights when DH was in his sports leagues. I even bought both of us skates because we were going every week for a couple years running. But Covid shut down our local indoor rink. The next closest one is about a 40 minute drive one way which would mean driving back and getting home much later at night than I like, and we’re not home other times when it’s open. Having arthritis in my feet and lower back and living with chronic pain also makes everything less enjoyable than it otherwise might be. Truthfully, if I had an extra hour in my day that I could allocate to anything, I would put it toward sleeping more which is also something I don’t get enough of. Sleep is such a priority for me that if I already wasn't getting enough, there's where I would put my time commitment. Also, disability I can definitely see impacting the ability to work out.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 15:29:55 GMT
Now that my kids are grown and gone, I'm really making a point of prioritizing myself. Same. I'm trying to get back on the exercise bandwagon myself. So I can totally see kids + full time work derailing someone. Because it was hard parenting without my kids dad and prioritizing anything for myself.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Nov 12, 2024 16:08:36 GMT
I saw this article in my feed yesterday. I have pretty consistently exercised throughout my adult life, but definitely not as much as some people I know. When my kids were young - middle school, just the reality of my work schedule and my husband's and time of day I wanted to work out, I did 5 am "boot camp" style workouts. That was just literally what I could make work with our schedules. My DH had less control over his work schedule than I did and I just did not have the energy or desire to workout in the evenings when he was home from work and willing to watch kids. We would coordinate on weekends so that who ever wanted to work out was able to go do what they wanted - I think it was always harder for DH to find time to work out bc of his work schedule. Over the years I did gym workouts, but mostly boot camps and occasionally yoga. The boot camps were also great for community. Many mornings I showed up because I wanted to see my friends! So I think for me community has been a key part of exercising especially during that season of being so busy with work and young kids.
And for me the main reason for working continues to be my mental health and wellness. My docs know me and know I need the endorphin release and have always encourage me to find ways to move - even just walking. And I would say that I was and am a much happier person and just overall mentally level when I am physically active on a daily basis. Even with less sleep, I was still net positive better off if I worked out - still am.
Post Long Covid (2000), it was brutal because I could not handle much physical activity at all. I started with short slow walks (literally 10 minutes) and for the first 3 years post LC walking was all I could handle without suffering PEM. But even just walking daily has continued to be a huge mental boost for me. So I kept it up, and added a beginning adult tap class! Super fun but low impact.
We are empty nesters as of this August, and I have really enjoyed having way more flexibility to attend classes at a time of day that suits me best and get involved at our rec center.
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Post by Deleted on Nov 12, 2024 16:12:56 GMT
For years it was no time or energy. Now it's more no energy and well I find it so boring. I've tried listening to music, audio books etc. And it's still boring. I've never been athletic/sporty. The only type of exercise I have ever enjoyed was tumbling/gymnastics as a child. And at 53 and quite overweight that's not a good choice.
I'm trying to get better at going for walks and using the elliptical but I can never seem to stick to it. I do wish we had a bungee fitness place nearby as the first time I saw that online I thought THAT LOOKS LIKE HUGE FUN! But nope, nothing close enough to do it regularly.
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Post by breetheflea on Nov 12, 2024 16:23:17 GMT
I have two not-going-anywhere back issues. I have limited things I can do without hurting myself. I walk almost daily, and would swim if I had access to a pool... Lifting, Cross Fit, running, and exercises that include lots of bending are out.
Time and weather are also an issue. Just walking to the mailbox is not going to cut it. Walking on the treadmill when the weather is gross it is too easy to get bored and stop at any point. At least if I walk outside I'm committed to however long it takes to get back to the car or house since I can't teleport.
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Post by peano on Nov 12, 2024 16:28:26 GMT
As an habitual exerciser for years, and admittedly somewhat athletically gifted, I have also wondered about this, because personally, my life goes to shit when I don't exercise. I don't like feeling bad and out of touch with my body. I think people think exercise is only for the athletically gifted, and they don't want to look bad and be embarrassed when they're just starting out.
I think one of the main reasons is that people think oh, unless I do A B or C I'm not really exercising. I think unless people find the type of exercise that resonates with them. It's not one size fits all, so it involves a little self exploration. You don't like running? Try some type of dancing.
Exercise is hard. Damn hard. Self-motivation is hard. Loving oneself enough can be difficult. Finding time for it for some people can be rough. I've got a friend who's just taken a new job and is traveling a lot. I know I personally would have trouble maintaining a routine with lots of travel. But if you think creatively, it can be done--it just may be more challenging, and when just exercising is challenging enough, well...But every hotel she stays in I'm sure has a gym.
The point is that there is so much pushing people not to exercise, they never reach the point where it is rewarding. The sense of agency and power, the endorphins released, the feeling of well-being, comfort in one's body and the pleasure that comes from moving well. Once it's a habit, I find I miss it, and I get cranky when I don't get it.
And we are raising generations of sedentary children. Elementary education has cut back on physical activity--when I was in grade school, we had 3! recesses of 30 minutes a day. Kids are couch potatoes with their noses stuck in devices.
Back in my 20s, when I was the literally the only woman in the gym lifting weights, it was popular for women to say Oh, I don't want to become too muscular, because that's not feminine. They'd see photos of female bodybuilders who were obviously using steroids to build unnatural muscle. The first time I remember reading a positive account of women and their musculature was after Linda Hamilton's arms were on display in The Terminator in 1984. (I've seen photos, never seen the movie) And women said, I want that.
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Post by chaosisapony on Nov 12, 2024 16:30:39 GMT
Exercising just for the sake of exercising is not something I enjoy. I suppose it's just too boring, seems like too much of a chore. But give me something I can do with a purpose and I will do it all day. Working in the garden, working with the horses, etc. Those are things that give me just as much exercise as going to a gym would but there is a purpose behind doing the work so I don't mind it.
I do try to get in at least one walk on my break most work days though. A couple of corworkers and I all go together and it's much less boring when there's people to talk to.
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Post by stormsts on Nov 12, 2024 17:04:35 GMT
I feel so much better when I exercise. Unfortunately, I don't make it a priority. I wish I had started exercising when I was much younger but I don't feel like it was stressed enough.
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Post by naby64 on Nov 12, 2024 17:11:57 GMT
I was never one to exercise. When I had kids, yeah the 3 of them just did me in.
After they got older, still didn't think of it. I did do a WW stint one summer and I was walking a ton. Actually looked forward to it. My body changed and I felt better. But then whatever happened and I stopped. During Covid, I bought a stationary bike and it was really good. I then bought a rower. I don't know that it did anything but I felt good and could do it for quite a bit of time. I then started walking in training for the Camino. Once I did that, I felt like I had walked enough for awhile. Like when Forrest Gump just stopped running. I was done.
Now I know I feel better when I walk. I talk with DD a lot and she walks for her mental health. The exercise helps her. I know this and it helps me but I can't do it in the summer. I have some issue that when I walk and it's hot, I get nauseous. I did get a walking pad so I wouldn't have the excuse but geesh, I find one all the time. I am just mentally done at the end of the day and don't want to do anything except flop down. I know my puppers would benefit from the walking. But now that it is darker at the end of the day and I really like/need my sleep so the get up in the morning thing just doesn't resonate with me.
It's a me thing and I admit it.
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Post by austnscrapaddict on Nov 12, 2024 17:19:15 GMT
For me, it's a priority thing. I can find a lot of excuses to avoid it. I have been walking daily since we have a puppy. But somedays it's a challenge, I am very much a routine and morning person, I like to get up, shower and dive into work early ( before 6:30 am) If I walk, it throws my schedule into a tailspin, and end up not showering until late morning/mid day, then I feel like my "good" part of the day is gone. Also, living in Central Texas, if you don't walk early it gets too hot for most of the day.
DH doesn't "exercise" other than to walk the dog, however, he is a cattle rancher and is very active when he's at the ranch. I call it a lifestyle difference more than a Gender difference.
That's my story and I'm sticking to it. :-)
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 12, 2024 17:31:32 GMT
I can imagine if you work full time and have young kids, it could be very hard to find time.
Other than that, it’s hard for me to personally imagine. I just feel horrible if I don’t exercise. I feel like our bones and muscles were meant to move - a lot. Exercise is like brushing my teeth - just something I do every day.
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Post by Linda on Nov 12, 2024 17:33:58 GMT
I'm very hit or miss and I have plenty of excuses for why I'm not - I can't seem to build a regular habit on my own is probably the main one (chronic pain, weather, and not prioritising it are right up there too though).
I swam probably 4-5 times a week during the summers that DS was still living at home after he got his license. The only 'public' pool here belongs to the school district and has very limited hours - mainly Memorial day to Labour 1-5 M-F (1-7 if you bought a membership). I don't drive and there's no public transport here. But DS liked to swim so he would take me and the girls when he got off work (or had a day off - he worked weekends so usually had 2 days off during the week). I miss that - swimming is my absolute favourite form of exercise.
I also walked most days when he was living at home. He had to lose 100lbs in order to enlist and walking 5miles/day was part of his regimen and I would walk with him in the evenings. But Dh wasn't keen on me walking by myself at night (no sidewalks or street lights where we lived then or now) and most of the year, it's too hot to walk outside during daylight.
We do have a home gym with weights, exercise bike, and rowing machine - and I'm trying to get in the habit of doing something in there every day or most days or at least some days...I'm not there yet though.
I do tend to keep up on my PT exercises for the most part and I was happy to find out during my recent trip to the UK that I could easily walk 4-5 miles followed by walking around touring someplace or another so I'm not completely 100% out of shape despite my chronic joint issues.
But on a day to day basis - I haven't really figured out a good routine for myself that includes exercise and I'm the sort of person where missing a single day effectively derails any habit forming. And while I AM at home all day most days...there's always loads of other things to do...housework, laundry, talking with (listening to) one of my adult kids, scrapbooking, genealogy, keeping track of the calender for everyone, cooking, groceries, baking, sewing, organising...many of which require less willpower to do.
That said - I do exercise more than DH does so there's that.
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Post by wellway on Nov 12, 2024 17:44:03 GMT
There were news reports a few years ago about teenage girls dropping out of sport at twice the rate of boys, body image, safety, cost, fear of being judged etc and once they drop out the chances of getting back into it are low.
I think about my mum, I can't think of her being involved in any sport when I was growing up. My dad played golf, the only club in town treated women as lesser members, when we moved dad would only join a club where women were equal members but at that point mum wasn't interested. She enjoyed walking but that was it.
Compared with my brothers I played a lot less sport, I cycled, walked, badminton etc. They played a lot of football, there were competitions, leagues, a whole supporting network to ensure they could play, pitches, sponsorship of kit, transport, officials etc etc.
I am so happy to see the growth of womens football because I think it brings so many positives, a team sport rather than individual activities. The numbers playing in the UK just keeps going up, young girls see other girls and women playing and it becomes a normal thing to do. As a child I never saw that.
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Post by mom on Nov 12, 2024 18:18:19 GMT
I can imagine if you work full time and have young kids, it could be very hard to find time. Other than that, it’s hard for me to personally imagine. I just feel horrible if I don’t exercise. I feel like our bones and muscles were meant to move - a lot. Exercise is like brushing my teeth - just something I do every day. Not picking on you, but this stood out to me. I think it's 'easy' to forget how good moving your body feels. For me, the 'feel bad' part didn't happen immediately. It was slowly and almost not noticeable until it my body was really mad about not moving for awhile. Then once I did start feeling the effects of not moving, I didn't immediately put 2 + 2 together. Honestly, only once I started moving again did I make the connection that so much of how bad I felt was because I wasn't moving enough.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 18:19:56 GMT
And for me the main reason for working continues to be my mental health and wellness. My docs know me and know I need the endorphin release and have always encourage me to find ways to move - even just walking. And I would say that I was and am a much happier person and just overall mentally level when I am physically active on a daily basis. I get this. I feel better when I am active too. I totally get an endorphin rush from it. I'm just so damn disorganized in my head that I can't seem to make anything a habit. The point is that there is so much pushing people not to exercise, they never reach the point where it is rewarding. The sense of agency and power, the endorphins released, the feeling of well-being, comfort in one's body and the pleasure that comes from moving well. Once it's a habit, I find I miss it, and I get cranky when I don't get it. Exercise is like brushing my teeth - just something I do every day. I would really like to have this as a habit. I realized a few weeks ago that the only thing I ever reliably do is drink coffee. Nothing else in my life follows any kind of schedule.
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Post by katlady on Nov 12, 2024 18:24:45 GMT
I agree with one thing in the article - companionship while working out. I've always been involved in sports, so I've worked out with others quite a bit. It motivates me more. Even now with my current gym, I get motivation from others in my class, and we know each other. For a short time, I worked out at a gym by my workplace. It was a regular big chain gym, and I went at lunch, and did the machines and cardio by myself. It was boring and I hated it! For a few years, my GF and I went to aerobic classes three times a week together. That was fun. Then life happened and we went less and less together. I think having someone working out with you is very helpful for motivation.
And then I feel like we just don't emphasize sports enough for our girls when they are young. The young girls are bombarded with ads for makeup and clothing. I am glad to see more and more ads featuring women athletes. Mothers also have a hard time finding time for themselves with having to juggle kids, spouses, jobs, etc. Those things have higher priority than one's own self, which is not good, but a fact of life.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 18:26:14 GMT
I do tend to keep up on my PT exercises for the most part and I was happy to find out during my recent trip to the UK that I could easily walk 4-5 miles followed by walking around touring someplace or another so I'm not completely 100% out of shape despite my chronic joint issues. Sometimes I am a good hiker and impressed with myself when we camp. And others, like trying to climb the big Sleeping Bear Dune, I was dying. There were news reports a few years ago about teenage girls dropping out of sport at twice the rate of boys, body image, safety, cost, fear of being judged etc and once they drop out the chances of getting back into it are low. The thing is that group sports are almost non-existent after high school and college. I played softball only one summer before I had kids. And I've been looking around for another softball league in my community and they are all co-ed. I do not want to play with men.
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Post by katlady on Nov 12, 2024 18:35:07 GMT
The thing is that group sports are almost non-existent after high school and college. I played softball only one summer before I had kids. And I've been looking around for another softball league in my community and they are all co-ed. I do not want to play with men. Yes! I see ads around town for men's team leagues, but none for women.
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Post by wellway on Nov 12, 2024 18:42:20 GMT
Women were only allowed to take part in road races, marathons etc in the 70's. All that running was seemed to be bad for women and yet now it is understood that women are really good at ultra endurance events as their bodies are built to be under stress for a long time,read pregnancy.
So, keep running and moving ladies and encourage your younger relatives to enjoy physical activity.
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Post by ~summer~ on Nov 12, 2024 18:50:55 GMT
Someone here (sorry I forget who) - recommended this book - and I did enjoy it. It emphasizes how important exercise is as you age, you should exercise 6 days per week (and 4 of those should be hard exercise) for the rest of your life.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Nov 12, 2024 18:53:47 GMT
nope... no exercising for me. I was never athletic; no sports, and marching band does NOT equal athletic, lol. In my early 30s, I became a founding member of an expensive, newly-built gym (it was beeeeautiful- swimming pool, sauna, walking/running track, workout machines, ball courts, personal trainers, locker rental, etc.) and I went at least 3x / week before work. I'd get there at 5 am, work out then get ready for work there, before going to work. I knew myself enough to know I'd never stick with it if I tried to go AFTER work instead of before. I was on my own, and had two cats. I did feel great, and it was really good for my mental health. Over the last 20-25 years, my / our lives have sort of 'devolved' into a combination of 1) not prioritizing myself, and 2) our life situation just isn't conducive to it anymore. My work commute is 45-60 minutes one way, we live rural (no facilities anywhere close at ALL), we have 5 pets (3 dogs, one of whom is a senior citizen with health issues...) and somehow I'm the major care-giver for the pets (how does that happen, anyway?!?). I don't have the mental bandwith for much of anything by the time I get home- I'm lucky to eat something halfway nutritious, let alone adding physical activity into it. now that I've written this out, it's probably mostly 'I don't like exercising' with some 'it's too much money to join a gym' and a bit of 'I'm the woman so I'm the one who does certain things at home' all combined. his will seem like a little thing to some of you, but a couple of weeks ago DH was mad because he was on an important work call and the dogs were bothering him. T he dogs are trained well enough that he can tell him to leave them alone, but somehow that wasn't enough and he needed me to make sure I didn't leave the house while he was on work calls so I can manage the dogs. I told him no. This happened to blow up while I was at the gym and I told him that I had confidence in his ability to manage the dogs in any number of ways while he works without relying on me to be his unpaid assistant during the day. He doesn't necessarily hang around to manage the dogs while I'm teaching students. And that I would go to the gym when I felt like it, as he has done literally all our married life.That was a big deal for me. So yeah, the message that we deprioritize ourselves resonates with me. totally get it, Merge!!
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 19:20:08 GMT
Someone here (sorry I forget who) - recommended this book - and I did enjoy it. It emphasizes how important exercise is as you age, you should exercise 6 days per week (and 4 of those should be hard exercise) for the rest of your life. Thank you for this recommendation. I've just reserved it at the library.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Nov 12, 2024 19:22:54 GMT
I try to exercise but get lazy and haven't been in a good routine for awhile. But over the course of our relationship I would say that I have prioritized exercise much more often and consistently than DH has. I never hear my friends or other parents of kids' friends talk about their husband's workout routine, but all of us women talk about either wanting to or actually exercising. So, I am a little surprised that women workout less than men.
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Post by katlady on Nov 12, 2024 19:30:15 GMT
When women get together and want to do something, usually they go eat and/or go shopping. When men get together, they go play golf, surf, maybe biking. I know this is a broad generalization, and some women do get together to play golf or go hiking, but in general, and what you see in ads, is women out together shopping and/or eating.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 19:30:29 GMT
now that I've written this out, it's probably mostly 'I don't like exercising' with some 'it's too much money to join a gym' and a bit of 'I'm the woman so I'm the one who does certain things at home' all combined. I get this. Truly I do. I'm wondering though if it is something like being more active, will then make you want to be more active. Like fake it til you make it. I keep hoping that if I can just commit enough to get me going, the momentum will keep me going.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Nov 12, 2024 19:33:17 GMT
and what you see in ads, is women out together shopping and/or eating. I will validate this. This is why I don't have a lot of friends. Because shopping is big no. Eating is a minefield. I don't want to drink and it seems we can't seem to enjoy ourselves without margaritas or some such thing. I do have a neighbor who works from home 3 days a week. And when she's working from home, we try to sneak a walk in at lunch time. She has a little boy, otherwise, I think she'd be a good workout partner but after school is a no go.
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