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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 10, 2025 18:08:48 GMT
eta (original post below): Kachina had 3 seizures overnight: one at 10 pm, one at 3 am, and a third at about 8:15 am this morning. (Found out that multiple in a 24-hr period is called cluster seizures, and is worse than single ones.) After talking with the vet first thing this morning, we started her on generic Keppra, 3x per day. We may look into finding a neuro specialist to rule out anything like a brain tumor, but for now, we will focus on slowing / stopping the seizures. The phone appt with the animal communicator went well… the animal communicator doesn’t know a lot of details about the, by the way- she uses a photo of the pet to “focus” her energy and communicate silently with them, getting and giving ‘impressions’ of information. This is the second time we’ve done it, and I do believe that there is something to it. She knew details of things there is no way she should know except the dogs telling her. Even my husband who is a huge skeptic about everything spiritual says he believes there is something to it…. Both dogs were more relaxed during the call than we have seen them in quite a while, and we could tell they were “listening” to something during those times she was communicating with them. (I have also seen my sister’s dog communicating with her, in a situation that again, she spoke of things she couldn’t have known otherwise.) She gave Kachina reassurance that we’re doing everything we can to figure out what’s wrong and working to fix it, and that she’s not going to die because of it. (Our older dog who just passed away had some serious health issues, and that affected her more than we realized, I guess.) She also told the communicator that Prescott has visited her from the spirit world, and that she was sad / concerned he was there by himself. We made sure she knows that he is not alone; there are other friends of his with him there— she said she was very relieved / reassured about that. ———————————————————————————————————————- We currently have two Shelties who are siblings... they're just under 5 yrs old. Kachina, the female, has had two seizures now, about 3 weeks apart-- the second one was yesterday morning. The vet did blood work and examined her yesterday, but I'm really reluctant to put her on Rx medication for prevention without doing a lot more research... the vet said the Rx meds usually prescribed are all sedatives, and can all cause weight gain. Shelties are prone to weight gain anyway, and we *really* don't want to change her naturally bouncy personality with a drug that acts as a sedative. Has anyone used natural remedies to help prevent seizures?? I've seen that CBD supplements or oil may be beneficial to help prevent seizures... does anyone have experience with this, or any other natural seizure prevention ideas? Thanks!! our reasons for NOT wanting to start with Rx meds : 1) She has a very sensitive / empathetic personality, so stress may be the main trigger. Hopefully if we can reduce her stress, we can help prevent future seizures. ** The first seizure was about 1 1/2 weeks after we put our oldest dog Prescott to sleep for complications from chronic kidney disease (the younger dogs were with us at the vet when we did it, fyi). Kachina had always been Prescott's sort of 'caretaker' --staying near him when they were outside (he couldn't see very well anymore), licking his ears, just kind of keeping him company and 'mothering' him. ** The second seizure was yesterday morning as they was getting ready to eat breakfast (they always get VERY over-excited for meals, and my husband is really strict about keeping them quiet / stopping them from barking at mealtime). ** There has always been general tension / stress (relationship wise) in the household, but there has been a LOT more in the past month or so (personal issues between my husband and me) and I know the dogs feel the tension. 2) the seizures were very short in duration-- about 2 minutes-- which isn't nearly as dangerous as longer-lasting seizures. 3) so far they haven't been frequent-- it was about 3 weeks in between these first two. (of course, if they start happening more often, that could change our opinion.) 3) negative side effects of the Rx meds-- they are are sedating, and can cause weight gain- both things we really don't want for her. |
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 18:28:58 GMT
Hope is on seizure medication. Same one used for people.
No weight gain.
Not tired.
Not a sedative.
Normal spunky happy silly goofy dog.
She is on Keppra and gets 125mg am and pm.
Out vet said 2 seizures a month is the Max. Any more and we will increase to 3x a day.
She has them every so often and no longer grand mal type. Smaller and shorter.
I would do the same for DD and ds (they have non epileptic seizures).
Friends whose kids have epilepsy use CBT as a relaxer but it does not prevent seizures. And yes they are very specific "seizure" CBTs.
One now has those box in their chest connected to their brain and a wand is waived over it to stop serious seizures.
The damage done by seizures is more a risk than meds.
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Post by Gravity on Jan 10, 2025 18:29:26 GMT
I have a 2 year old Maltese with meningoencephalitis of unknown origin. He has been undergoing treatment from a veterinary neurologist since late September. He has never had a seizure, but is on preventative seizure medication until he completes his course of treatment. He takes Levetiracetam which is the generic form of Keppra. I have not noticed personality changes or sedation side effects. He has gained a little bit of weight, but that is more a side effect of the steroids he also takes.
Please take the advice of the vet. Your dog’s next seizure may be much longer and do permanent damage or be fatal.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 18:32:02 GMT
Also if weight is an issue, monitor it and change her food intake.
But Hope isn't more hungry nor did she gain weight (she has 9 breeds)
And I am able to relax and sleep at night.
Also even with reducing stress they still happen.
She had one after the groomers.
She had one when I left with the family to run an errand. She was super clingy that day - they know when one is coming and they become clingy. I decided to come back and 30 min later she had it.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 18:33:19 GMT
I have a 2 year old Maltese with meningoencephalitis of unknown origin. He has been undergoing treatment from a veterinary neurologist since late September. He has never had a seizure, but is on preventative seizure medication until he completes his course of treatment. He takes Levetiracetam which is the generic form of Keppra. I have not noticed personality changes or sedation side effects. He has gained a little bit of weight, but that is more a side effect of the steroids he also takes. Please take the advice of the vet. Your dog’s next seizure may be much longer and do permanent damage or be fatal. Exactly why we started Keppra. The first one was very long and scary and she was out of it the entire day. They kill dogs (just like people) and can cause a bunch of other health issues |
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Post by Merge on Jan 10, 2025 18:34:52 GMT
We took the wait and see approach when our dog's seizures were limited to one every few months, but then she had three in two weeks and we went ahead with meds. They haven't caused lethargy but they have caused weight gain, though not an amount that is disabling to her.
She'll be 13 years old in March and I don't regret starting the meds. The seizures were very upsetting for her - she just wasn't herself for a day or so after each one. She's had a long, happy life (and still going strong).
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 10, 2025 18:36:59 GMT
Thanks for the info on how your dogs handle the meds.. our vet didn't recommend one way or the other yet- she said this frequency is sort of a 'gray area' where meds aren't necessarily immediately indicated, and that a dog having a seizure doesn't necessarily mean they will ever have more. I'm going to speak to their breeder, and ask some other Sheltie breeders for their input, as well.
ETA: the first one definitely took her longer to come back to herself- apparently they can not recognize you or where they are for a while, and we could tell she was a bit 'out of it' even after the seizure ended... not wanting to eat or drink, etc. and she was very tired for the rest of the day. But she recovery was a LOT quicker after the second one- I could tell she recognized me, her brother's barking, etc. within minutes, and she was back to her usual self within an hour.
we have an appointment with an animal communicator tomorrow, to 'talk' with her about what happened, and get her take on things.
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Post by clarencelynn on Jan 10, 2025 19:44:09 GMT
I'm so sorry so many of us have dogs that experience seizures. My rescue, Cheddar, came to us a year ago November and unfortunately has experienced a LOT of seizures since then. He's on 2 anti-seizure meds, very large dosages of each. And I'm working with a vet neurologist to try to identify medicine changes or additions that could help slow the frequency. Right now he has seizures about every 2 weeks. Sometimes it's a one and done situation, other times he has multiple (he had 5 the week of Christmas). I wish I could identify triggers but there really isn't a rhyme or reason I can identify right now.
As we've increased his dosage, he has not experienced lethargy but he has gained a lot of weight. Cheddar Chub-chub is his new nickname. We did identify a low thyroid function, which could contribute to the weight gain. He's on diet food, lots of walks, minimum treats (to his dismay).
The anti-seizure meds can be hard on them, however Keppra (we use the generic) really has minimal side effects. It's expensive but we are able to get it through our CVS pharmacy and use GoodRX and that cuts the cost by about 80%.
Good luck with your pup's treatment. If you have any questions, reach out.
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Post by kimi on Jan 10, 2025 21:50:55 GMT
My 1st dog started having grand mal seizures at age 10. An MRI and spinal tap ruled out cancer/brain tumor so the neurologist dx'd the cause as epilepsy and prescribed Keppra. My dog tolerated Keppra very well and as far as we know she never had another seizure. She passed at age 15 from bladder cancer.
The neurologist said that seizures fry the brain and it is important to control the seizures.
The generic form of keppra is very cheap at Costco, especially with GoodRX. I think I paid $24 for a 40 day supply (w/o GoodRX it was around $40), but this was 4 years ago.
Good luck!
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Post by pantsonfire on Jan 10, 2025 21:59:19 GMT
With Good RX at CVS here in southern CA, we pay $31 for 90 day supply. It was $28 first time but it went up a bit
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jan 10, 2025 23:10:43 GMT
Pot brownies...
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Post by AngieandSnoopy on Jan 11, 2025 4:50:42 GMT
I hope this helps you, it really worked for my Michel.
I searched for what I posted in the past and copied and pasted below the --- . Michel and the others that have had seizures, for my dogs, they needed to be held, it comforted them. In fact, Michel would seek me out to make sure I held him. The below worked for my dogs, maybe not all since it would depend on what is causing the seizures.
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Michel, my avatar, started having them at 2 years old. Three weeks later, he had another one. I put him on Childrens DHA after talking to the owner of the local health food store. The vet said they'd have to be closer together before she wanted to put him on anything and I preferred to go as natural as possible.
Since most Childrens DHA has a fruity flavor that dogs don’t like much, I’d pour some cod liver oil over it, it is similar to DHA but does taste better to DOGS than kids! Michel weighed 6 pounds and I think I gave him about 1/8th teaspoon a day so that gives you an idea of dosage.
He had (water on the brain) hydrocephalus at birth but didn't have it as bad as one of his sisters, she only lived about 3 weeks, started having seizures. The vet gave Michel only about 2 months to live but he made it 9 years, 2 months, 10 days. His little heart just gave out because he wasn't born with all the chambers.
After figuring out how much worked best for him, he only had one very very mild seizure a year. In fact, if I hadn't learned so much about seizures in dogs, I wouldn't have realized it WAS a seizure.
On thing, keep crushed ice in a few baggies in the freezer, not frozen vegetables, has to be crushed ice. If a dog starts having a seizure, put the bag of ice on his spine between the bottom rib and hip bone and it can and did stop Michel's seizures. Hopefully, it will work with your dog.
I found out about it on the internet and my vet confirmed it did work. I think she said it cooled down the spinal cord, that it gets hot when a dog is seizing. I started to ask her, why didn't you TELL me!!!
Good luck and I hope things work out well for your dog.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 11, 2025 4:54:17 GMT
Well, crap. She just had another seizure, so that makes 2 in 2 days— not exactly a random thing any more.:  : She was just laying on the loveseat behind me (I was sitting in a straight backed chair cross-stitching at my floor frame) and she fell off of the loveseat onto the floor. Will be calling the vet tomorrow morning after the session with the animal communicator. Eta: maybe I should ask if there’s anything a neurology specialist could check? The vet told me they call it epilepsy when they’ve basically ruled everything else out… not sure what all could be a cause. now I’m worried about next week when they have a grooming appt— they’re at the groomers all day and it’s LOUD / stressful / full of dogs there. |
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Post by Zee on Jan 11, 2025 5:33:27 GMT
I would rather have a mildly sedated dog that is being treated properly than to have to worry constantly about upsetting my dog enough to give her seizures. In general, these meds only cause drowsiness for an initial period and then they adjust.
Regular seizures are nothing to play around with.
I also am not buying into asking someone to ask her how she feels, there is no Dr Doolittle. Your dog is a dog and doesn't know anything about seizures or medication. That's fine if you want to pay someone to read your dog's body language (something you can literally do yourself) but don't use that as an actual indicator of how you should treat seizures in an animal.
I'm kind of horrified that anyone would pay someone to "ask her how she feels about it" as if she's going to provide an educated opinion through a human who profits off people by exploiting their emotional connection to their pets.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 11, 2025 10:00:37 GMT
We’ve used an animal communicator before to get impressions of past events from our dogs; that’s all I meant by “ask her how she feels about it.” Of *course* we’re not going to base our Rx decision on that. Our vet initially said “you’re in a gray area” of frequency / severity which could have meant going either way with the medication decision, but that’s changed now that she’s had another one.
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Post by KikiPea on Jan 11, 2025 20:58:28 GMT
Hope is on seizure medication. Same one used for people. No weight gain. Not tired. Not a sedative. Normal spunky happy silly goofy dog. She is on Keppra and gets 125mg am and pm. Out vet said 2 seizures a month is the Max. Any more and we will increase to 3x a day. She has them every so often and no longer grand mal type. Smaller and shorter. I would do the same for DD and ds (they have non epileptic seizures). Friends whose kids have epilepsy use CBT as a relaxer but it does not prevent seizures. And yes they are very specific "seizure" CBTs. One now has those box in their chest connected to their brain and a wand is waived over it to stop serious seizures. The damage done by seizures is more a risk than meds. This. Ours started having seizures in 2018, and has not had any since. He had 5 in close proximity to each other. The only other thing I could suggest would be CBD for dogs, but that has no real backup. I hope you are able to find something that can help. This momma heart couldn’t deal with him having anymore. |
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Post by KikiPea on Jan 11, 2025 20:59:48 GMT
Well, crap. She just had another seizure, so that makes 2 in 2 days— not exactly a random thing any more.: : She was just laying on the loveseat behind me (I was sitting in a straight backed chair cross-stitching at my floor frame) and she fell off of the loveseat onto the floor. Will be calling the vet tomorrow morning after the session with the animal communicator. Eta: maybe I should ask if there’s anything a neurology specialist could check? The vet told me they call it epilepsy when they’ve basically ruled everything else out… not sure what all could be a cause. now I’m worried about next week when they have a grooming appt— they’re at the groomers all day and it’s LOUD / stressful / full of dogs there. I would definitely look into Keppra. It’s worked great for JJ. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 12, 2025 2:46:29 GMT
Edit in OP… started her on anti-seizure meds earlier today. Thanks everyone for your input. (My iPad auto corrected that to in-n-out, lol… now I’m hungry.)
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2025 2:51:38 GMT
I'm very glad to hear she's getting started on something to help control her seizures, I hope she adjusts well.
I'm still irritated that someone makes money to look at a picture of a dog and talk to them over the phone and pretends that they're communicating through the spirit world, but that's your prerogative to pay her for that. I'm just having a super hard time shutting the hell up about it. I'll work on myself.
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Post by KikiPea on Jan 12, 2025 2:57:49 GMT
Edit in OP… started her on anti-seizure meds earlier today. Thanks everyone for your input. (My iPad auto corrected that to in-n-out, lol… now I’m hungry.) I really hope it helps curb the seizures. Big hugs to you! |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 12, 2025 3:17:17 GMT
It’s okay, @zee… not sure I believe it all either, but I know what I saw… at the very least she knows a lot about animal behavior and gave us some good info for going forward, whether she can actually communicate their feelings to us or not, and vice versa.
I’ve had a couple previous experiences of knowing things that I should NOT have known, like exactly when my grandma died I had an overwhelming urge to tell my supervisor I would need funeral leave. My sister had a similar experience, feeling that she HAD to drive to the hospital— that also was the same exact time she died… my sister passed my parents driving the other way from the hospital. I do think sometimes we just ‘know’ things or experience a feeling, and we aren’t always in proximity to the subject of that feeling… maybe some people are more attuned to feelings than others. I’m a die-hard life-long analytical scientist, too, but there’s a lot of stuff about the world that I don’t understand… this might just be another of those things.
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2025 3:18:36 GMT
It’s okay… not sure I believe it all either, but I know what I saw… at the very least she knows a lot about animal behavior and gave us some good info whether she can actually communicate their feelings to us or not, and vice versa. I’ve had a couple experiences of knowing things that I should NOT have known, like exactly when my grandma died I had an overwhelming urge to tell my supervisor I would need funeral leave. My sister had a similar experience, feeling that she HAD to drive to the hospital— that also was the same exact time she died… my sister passed my parents driving the other way. I do think sometimes we just ‘know’ things or experience a feeling, and we aren’t always in proximity to the subject of that feeling… maybe some people are more attuned to feelings than others. I’m a die-hard life-long analytical scientist, too, but there’s a lot of stuff about the world that I don’t understand… this might just be another of those things. I'm working on myself as we speak 😜🙏🏼 |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 12, 2025 3:25:28 GMT
Zee If you want to be more irritated, she communicates with them telepathically… not with audible words. lol. But while she was doing it, we saw them paying attention to something that was NOT us. Shrug. I hope the meds help, too… she’s had two doses now, and it’s hitting her a bit hard with some stumbling / unsteadiness. That’s a bit scary, but hopefully she’ll get used to it and that will abate. ?? Trying to get as close to every 8 hours is going to require some finessing of both of our work schedules too, but we’ll do whatever we need to.
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Post by Zee on Jan 12, 2025 3:34:33 GMT
Zee If you want to be more irritated, she communicates with them telepathically… not with audible words. lol. But while she was doing it, we saw them paying attention to something that was NOT us. Shrug. I hope the meds help, too… she’s had two doses now, and it’s hitting her a bit hard with some stumbling / unsteadiness. That’s a bit scary, but hopefully she’ll get used to it and that will abate. ?? Trying to get as close to every 8 hours is going to require some finessing of both of our work schedules too, but we’ll do whatever we need to. Lolol you're killing me! She's probably got a dog whistle on her end. But I hope your pup is feeling a bit more steady soon and stabilizes quickly! |
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 12, 2025 12:46:40 GMT
I hope the meds help, too… she’s had two doses now, and it’s hitting her a bit hard with some stumbling / unsteadiness. That’s a bit scary, but hopefully she’ll get used to it and that will abate. ?? Trying to get as close to every 8 hours is going to require some finessing of both of our work schedules too, but we’ll do whatever we need to. There are people who swear by psychics and tarot card readers. There are people who burn sage and patchouli. Whatever works for you and if you're seeing a difference or felt something that brought you comfort, that's great. When I was in HS, I had a Rottweiler and I loved her so much. She had seizures and it killed me. She died very young because of them and I wouldn't wish it on anyone. I hope Kachina is doing better today. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 13, 2025 0:40:45 GMT
Thanks! Yes, Kachina is doing better… no seizures today, and only a bit of stumbling. Once she’s been laying down for a while and stands up, it seems like her back legs are asleep doesn’t take her long to work that out. She has, however, been RAVENOUSLY hungry! She even tried to eat the bow on my moccasin.  So I think we’ll have to change her to a lower calorie food and find her some low-cal treats, like frozen green beans. thanks to everyone who posted about your experience … I think seizures are the worst thing we’ve had to deal with as dog owners- and we’ve had to deal with some hard stuff- but not being able to do anything for her while the seizure was happening… that feeling of helplessness was absolutely terrible. |
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Post by KikiPea on Jan 16, 2025 19:02:15 GMT
Thanks! Yes, Kachina is doing better… no seizures today, and only a bit of stumbling. Once she’s been laying down for a while and stands up, it seems like her back legs are asleep doesn’t take her long to work that out. She has, however, been RAVENOUSLY hungry! She even tried to eat the bow on my moccasin. So I think we’ll have to change her to a lower calorie food and find her some low-cal treats, like frozen green beans. thanks to everyone who posted about your experience … I think seizures are the worst thing we’ve had to deal with as dog owners- and we’ve had to deal with some hard stuff- but not being able to do anything for her while the seizure was happening… that feeling of helplessness was absolutely terrible. OMG yes. It really broke this momma’s heart. Thankfully, all has been well since 2018. The two other hardest things ever were putting our first pup down after he was sick for a while. It was the hardest decision we had to make as a married couple. The other was just last June when our 12 yr old pup had surgery. Seeing him collapse because he was so high from the anesthesia. Just heartbreaking! I’m happy to hear that your sweet baby is feeling a bit better. 🤗 |
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jan 16, 2025 19:09:28 GMT
eta (original post below): Kachina had 3 seizures overnight: one at 10 pm, one at 3 am, and a third at about 8:15 am this morning. (Found out that multiple in a 24-hr period is called cluster seizures, and is worse than single ones.) After talking with the vet first thing this morning, we started her on generic Keppra, 3x per day. We may look into finding a neuro specialist to rule out anything like a brain tumor, but for now, we will focus on slowing / stopping the seizures. The phone appt with the animal communicator went well… the animal communicator doesn’t know a lot of details about the, by the way- she uses a photo of the pet to “focus” her energy and communicate silently with them, getting and giving ‘impressions’ of information. This is the second time we’ve done it, and I do believe that there is something to it. She knew details of things there is no way she should know except the dogs telling her. Even my husband who is a huge skeptic about everything spiritual says he believes there is something to it…. Both dogs were more relaxed during the call than we have seen them in quite a while, and we could tell they were “listening” to something during those times she was communicating with them. (I have also seen my sister’s dog communicating with her, in a situation that again, she spoke of things she couldn’t have known otherwise.) She gave Kachina reassurance that we’re doing everything we can to figure out what’s wrong and working to fix it, and that she’s not going to die because of it. (Our older dog who just passed away had some serious health issues, and that affected her more than we realized, I guess.) She also told the communicator that Prescott has visited her from the spirit world, and that she was sad / concerned he was there by himself. We made sure she knows that he is not alone; there are other friends of his with him there— she said she was very relieved / reassured about that. ———————————————————————————————————————- We currently have two Shelties who are siblings... they're just under 5 yrs old. Kachina, the female, has had two seizures now, about 3 weeks apart-- the second one was yesterday morning. The vet did blood work and examined her yesterday, but I'm really reluctant to put her on Rx medication for prevention without doing a lot more research... the vet said the Rx meds usually prescribed are all sedatives, and can all cause weight gain. Shelties are prone to weight gain anyway, and we *really* don't want to change her naturally bouncy personality with a drug that acts as a sedative. Has anyone used natural remedies to help prevent seizures?? I've seen that CBD supplements or oil may be beneficial to help prevent seizures... does anyone have experience with this, or any other natural seizure prevention ideas? Thanks!! our reasons for NOT wanting to start with Rx meds : 1) She has a very sensitive / empathetic personality, so stress may be the main trigger. Hopefully if we can reduce her stress, we can help prevent future seizures. ** The first seizure was about 1 1/2 weeks after we put our oldest dog Prescott to sleep for complications from chronic kidney disease (the younger dogs were with us at the vet when we did it, fyi). Kachina had always been Prescott's sort of 'caretaker' --staying near him when they were outside (he couldn't see very well anymore), licking his ears, just kind of keeping him company and 'mothering' him. ** The second seizure was yesterday morning as they was getting ready to eat breakfast (they always get VERY over-excited for meals, and my husband is really strict about keeping them quiet / stopping them from barking at mealtime). ** There has always been general tension / stress (relationship wise) in the household, but there has been a LOT more in the past month or so (personal issues between my husband and me) and I know the dogs feel the tension. 2) the seizures were very short in duration-- about 2 minutes-- which isn't nearly as dangerous as longer-lasting seizures. 3) so far they haven't been frequent-- it was about 3 weeks in between these first two. (of course, if they start happening more often, that could change our opinion.) 3) negative side effects of the Rx meds-- they are are sedating, and can cause weight gain- both things we really don't want for her. Dexter keeps vomiting and he has a bland diet that has been working for 2 days but no more. I would love to know your dog whisperer’s name. I took him to the vet and she had no answers. I love this dog. I will move mountains for him. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 16, 2025 20:42:02 GMT
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