dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 13, 2025 15:35:53 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 13, 2025 16:03:40 GMT
Thank you for sharing this. A lot of it resonated very deeply for me on a personal level. At 55 years old, I'm basically sick and tired of the patriarchy we're stuck inside. It doesn't work (for us, anyway- works just FINE for them), but since they're in charge, they're not going to give it up anytime soon.
"We’ve been subjected to constant pressure to be "always on" while simultaneously being told to "set better boundaries." There’s the expectation that we'll handle everyone else's emotional needs while never having any inconvenient feelings of our own.
I've watched men repeat my ideas in conference rooms like they're discovering brand new continents, claiming territory I mapped months ago. I've smiled through gritted teeth in doctor's offices as they tell me I’m imagining my symptoms and maybe I just need to drink more water."
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"They sold us empowerment wrapped in millennial pink, then mocked us for buying it. Told us to speak up, then called us aggressive when we did.
We're not just tired. We're tired of being called hysterical for seeing clearly. Tired of being told to stay positive while watching our rights disappear. Tired of carrying the emotional weight of a system designed to fail us while being expected to show up every day with a smile."
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Post by flanz on Jan 13, 2025 16:19:55 GMT
Thanks for posting this dawnnikol. It's a sick reality.
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Post by casii on Jan 13, 2025 16:48:57 GMT
Thank you for sharing this. A lot of it resonated very deeply for me on a personal level. At 55 years old, I'm basically sick and tired of the patriarchy we're stuck inside. It doesn't work (for us, anyway- works just FINE for them), but since they're in charge, they're not going to give it up anytime soon. "We’ve been subjected to constant pressure to be "always on" while simultaneously being told to "set better boundaries." There’s the expectation that we'll handle everyone else's emotional needs while never having any inconvenient feelings of our own.
I've watched men repeat my ideas in conference rooms like they're discovering brand new continents, claiming territory I mapped months ago. I've smiled through gritted teeth in doctor's offices as they tell me I’m imagining my symptoms and maybe I just need to drink more water." ... "They sold us empowerment wrapped in millennial pink, then mocked us for buying it. Told us to speak up, then called us aggressive when we did.We're not just tired. We're tired of being called hysterical for seeing clearly. Tired of being told to stay positive while watching our rights disappear. Tired of carrying the emotional weight of a system designed to fail us while being expected to show up every day with a smile."Waves hands in the air to agree with all of this. And I'm also tired of the women who are carrying water for the patriarchy so hard they're falling all over themselves while damning the rest of us.
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Post by epeanymous on Jan 13, 2025 16:51:20 GMT
I remember Susan Faludi's book Backlash being published my first year of college and devouring it as soon as I bought it, and I feel like a lot of what I am seeing now is consistent with that book, now accompanied by an increasingly oligarchical small class of people looting value from every system. It's awful. It also feels very, very unstable.
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Post by naby64 on Jan 13, 2025 17:34:20 GMT
Thank you for sharing this. A lot of it resonated very deeply for me on a personal level. At 55 years old, I'm basically sick and tired of the patriarchy we're stuck inside. It doesn't work (for us, anyway- works just FINE for them), but since they're in charge, they're not going to give it up anytime soon. I've watched men repeat my ideas in conference rooms like they're discovering brand new continents, claiming territory I mapped months ago. I've smiled through gritted teeth in doctor's offices as they tell me I’m imagining my symptoms and maybe I just need to drink more water." We're not just tired. We're tired of being called hysterical for seeing clearly. Tired of being told to stay positive while watching our rights disappear. Tired of carrying the emotional weight of a system designed to fail us while being expected to show up every day with a smile."I didn't feel like retyping what you have written. I work in a church office, where I am a member. I can't tell you the times I have said something, brought up an idea or something that should be done to be brushed under the rug. However, I gave the same exact ideas to a good friend here, who was the Admin board chair and a deacon, to bring up at an meeting. He did and everyone thought those were wonderful ideas and "yes, we should do that." I think I mentioned here on the board how I cried in frustration to the new pastor how I hate not being heard because I am a woman. Expected but these are people I know that just don't listen. He understood and came back in a bit to tell me my voice was valuable. I also am married to a white man. Of course, he doesn't see the issues that I am so mad about. They don't affect him. We have had countless discussions that became downright ugly at times as I tried to get him to understand how they affect his DD, his niece, possibly me in the future. He and all his friends are all good in the system. So many I am fighting for are not. So yes, I am tired, felt so very broken and trying to get myself back to a point I am just not angry at every person I come in contact with. It's work and why do we have to shoulder it all?
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Post by Merge on Jan 13, 2025 17:44:12 GMT
Yeah, I read this piece this morning and it resonated deeply with me.
We’ve seen the devaluation of women’s ideas in education as well, of course. The vast majority of career K-12 educators are women. We are the experts in our fields. But we’re dismissed as lazy know-nothings by the mostly male “reformers” who want to come in and tell us how to do everything - usually in ways that we know will be harmful for kids. And it’s all wrapped up in finding ways to turn education into a profit center for large corporations.
Add me to the list of women married to a white man who generally doesn’t see these issues. It’s exhausting.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jan 13, 2025 18:22:14 GMT
Im feeling broken just seeing what is introduced in congress, seeing how FB is getting rid of fact checking, reading about what is happening in NC (highlighted by HRC today), as well as TikTok being potentially banned. it just feels when a little bit of happy it gotten, a huge slap comes and knocks me in the face.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 13, 2025 18:35:59 GMT
Im feeling broken just seeing what is introduced in congress, seeing how FB is getting rid of fact checking, reading about what is happening in NC (highlighted by HRC today), as well as TikTok being potentially banned. it just feels when a little bit of happy it gotten, a huge slap comes and knocks me in the face. I wish I could have bottled up the way I felt Monday November 4th, so that I could occasionally take a hit of it.
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Post by Merge on Jan 13, 2025 18:40:34 GMT
Im feeling broken just seeing what is introduced in congress, seeing how FB is getting rid of fact checking, reading about what is happening in NC (highlighted by HRC today), as well as TikTok being potentially banned. it just feels when a little bit of happy it gotten, a huge slap comes and knocks me in the face. I wish I could have bottled up the way I felt Monday November 4th, so that I could occasionally take a hit of it. Right? So much hope, and then being smacked down with the reality that the majority of our fellow citizens either (a) don't care enough to vote or (b) have so little regard for you as a woman that they will vote a rapist into our nation's highest office and laugh about owning the libs.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 13, 2025 18:45:58 GMT
It also feels very, very unstable. It does. I look at the current situation through the lens of history and think, well, things ebb and flow... perhaps it's just a bobble in time. But I fear it isn't and that "we" (the world, many nations, the United States in particular, my poor little red state of South Carolina, my immediate life... all of the "we"), are spiraling down in a way that may bring it all to its knees before it's over.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 13, 2025 19:36:25 GMT
I also am married to a white man. Of course, he doesn't see the issues that I am so mad about. They don't affect him. We have had countless discussions that became downright ugly at times as I tried to get him to understand how they affect his DD, his niece, possibly me in the future. He and all his friends are all good in the system. So many I am fighting for are not. So yes, I am tired, felt so very broken and trying to get myself back to a point I am just not angry at every person I come in contact with. It's work and why do we have to shoulder it all? hugs. I am in the same situation, minus the DD, niece, etc. To be perfectly frank, I am contemplating ending my marriage because my husband is similar, only with a large dose of MAGA-brand conservatism and deep-seated childhood trauma + mid-life crisis / fatalism in his outlook on life. I do care about him, but I miss the person I met... and it's very hard to sometimes. My emotional life would be a lot more calm if I was on my own.
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Post by luckyjune on Jan 13, 2025 19:40:16 GMT
I'm trying to say positive to stay sane. I remember reading that what we are experiencing is the vestiges of a white male-dominated society and that things will probably get worse before they get better. I picture old white men clawing to hold on to their ill-gotten power as it slowly, then all at once, slips through their fingers. Periodically, I watch Valerie Kaur's video about the tomb vs the womb. It's a little over 6 minutes long but worth the watch. Funnily, this speech was made in 2016, the last time we were all left scratching our heads in wonder at who had been chosen as president. speakola.com/ideas/valerie-kaur-interfaith-watch-night-2016
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Post by naby64 on Jan 13, 2025 19:48:21 GMT
I also am married to a white man. Of course, he doesn't see the issues that I am so mad about. They don't affect him. We have had countless discussions that became downright ugly at times as I tried to get him to understand how they affect his DD, his niece, possibly me in the future. He and all his friends are all good in the system. So many I am fighting for are not. So yes, I am tired, felt so very broken and trying to get myself back to a point I am just not angry at every person I come in contact with. It's work and why do we have to shoulder it all? hugs. I am in the same situation, minus the DD, niece, etc. To be perfectly frank, I am contemplating ending my marriage because my husband is similar, only with a large dose of MAGA-brand conservatism and deep-seated childhood trauma + mid-life crisis / fatalism in his outlook on life. I do care about him, but I miss the person I met... and it's very hard to sometimes. My emotional life would be a lot more calm if I was on my own. Ohhhh, big big hugs. Same boat. He talks about how I have changed since we got married. When I was 21. Of course, I have changed! I hope so. I was naive and didn't think about anything else outside my circle. I hope I have become more compassionate and open to hearing others views and life experiences. I know I have had privilege my whole life. Others are not afforded that. I did tell him one day I didn't love him anymore. He was not the man I married. As I have heard some other conversations he has had with his best friend, I am questioning how I will make it through the next 4 years. I will not be quiet and I will talk back to the TV and heaven help him if he tries to correct me on things that come out that I warned him about.
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Post by Zee on Jan 13, 2025 19:56:51 GMT
I'm kind of over being told how miserable I am or should feel, to be quite honest.
Sometimes we're all a bit low but when I come here I feel like I'm beaten over the head with it (how awful I should feel) constantly.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jan 13, 2025 21:08:54 GMT
I'm kind of over being told how miserable I am or should feel, to be quite honest. Sometimes we're all a bit low but when I come here I feel like I'm beaten over the head with it (how awful I should feel) constantly. That’s a fair observation in my opinion. I rarely ever participate in the political threads in part for that reason. I opened this thread as it was not labeled political - and darn if I didn’t get sucked right in.
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Post by Merge on Jan 14, 2025 14:22:58 GMT
I'm kind of over being told how miserable I am or should feel, to be quite honest. Sometimes we're all a bit low but when I come here I feel like I'm beaten over the head with it (how awful I should feel) constantly. IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. YMMV, obviously.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 14, 2025 15:07:31 GMT
I'm kind of over being told how miserable I am or should feel, to be quite honest. Sometimes we're all a bit low but when I come here I feel like I'm beaten over the head with it (how awful I should feel) constantly. IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. YMMV, obviously. and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 14, 2025 15:25:30 GMT
I'm kind of over being told how miserable I am or should feel, to be quite honest. Sometimes we're all a bit low but when I come here I feel like I'm beaten over the head with it (how awful I should feel) constantly. IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. YMMV, obviously. That’s exactly why I started posting here again. Women + moms of daughters & queer kids. It’s very comforting and validating that other people are concerned about the things that are making me very nervous.
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on Jan 14, 2025 15:49:00 GMT
IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political. That’s exactly why I started posting here again. Women + moms of daughters & queer kids. It’s very comforting and validating that other people are concerned about the things that are making me very nervous. After the election, specifically, I tried to stay off social media, etc. When I spoke to some close family members, I was gaslit. "Things won't be that bad" and "Americans won't let extremes from either side, prevail". I can't just shut down though, which was what I wanted to do, I have 3 kids and a husband who need me to not drown in my thoughts and feelings. I'm not asking for an echo chamber. I just wanted some fucking compassion and empathy. I didn't mark this thread as political, because while it mentioned stuff that is "political", I don't think the request to be treated equally should be political.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Jan 14, 2025 16:50:52 GMT
I'm not asking for an echo chamber. I just wanted some fucking compassion and empathy. I didn't mark this thread as political, because while it mentioned stuff that is "political", I don't think the request to be treated equally should be political. ^^^ this. And after 55 years of being 'nice' and a people pleaser to-a-fault, I'm tired of being nice, having people (men) say 'you should smile more' etc. etc. (this was actually a previous manager... he was a member of the good-old-boys club at a previous employer. There were women supervisors, too, but did they ever get asked out to lunch with him and 'the guys' ?? nope.) Maybe some of it is colored by the issues I'm having in my relationship, too, but I think empathy for our fellow humans should be a given, not a unicorn.
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Post by 16joy on Jan 14, 2025 17:14:15 GMT
Addressing the subject line...I am not feeling broken and I don't remember ever feeling that way. Does everything come up roses in my life? No and it doesn't break me. Perhaps it my personality, my upbringing, being an only child, etc. I only know how I feel. Do I realize some people feel broken? Yes
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 14, 2025 18:10:56 GMT
I feel our country is broken in many ways - but also is amazing in other ways. And I don’t feel broken as a person *at all*. Even though I have been through some serious shit the last few years.
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Post by hopemax on Jan 14, 2025 18:39:32 GMT
IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. YMMV, obviously. and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political. This is one of the reasons why I feel broken. Even among women, talking about rights is viewed as *political* and not common decency. I saw a comment in an article from a banker, anonymous, about with Trump and Elon in charge he doesn’t have to be worried about using words like retard and pussy, getting cancelled, and all the Me Too stuff. So that’s where we are now, as a society.
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Post by gar on Jan 14, 2025 18:45:54 GMT
and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political. This is one of the reasons why I feel broken. Even among women, talking about rights is viewed as *political* and not common decency. I saw a comment in an article from a banker, anonymous, about with Trump and Elon in charge he doesn’t have to be worried about using words like retard and pussy, getting cancelled, and all the Me Too stuff. So that’s where we are now, as a society.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jan 14, 2025 19:13:00 GMT
I personally don't feel broken most of the time, at least not for the reasons listed here. But I do sometimes feel that society is broken. The issues in politics have trickled down into the rest of society and it isn't good. The comment from the banker is a good example of that. Like BridgetinMD I feel discouraged about the future for the country when I see and hear what Republicans in Congress and in state governments are proposing and implementing. I fear a lot of bad things to come for individuals, the country and the world. I also am extremely disheartened that so many are blind to it.
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 14, 2025 21:09:48 GMT
and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political. This is one of the reasons why I feel broken. Even among women, talking about rights is viewed as *political* and not common decency. I saw a comment in an article from a banker, anonymous, about with Trump and Elon in charge he doesn’t have to be worried about using words like retard and pussy, getting cancelled, and all the Me Too stuff. So that’s where we are now, as a society. that’s horrible. I stopped reading anonymous comments a long time ago.
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Post by hopemax on Jan 14, 2025 21:18:16 GMT
This is one of the reasons why I feel broken. Even among women, talking about rights is viewed as *political* and not common decency. I saw a comment in an article from a banker, anonymous, about with Trump and Elon in charge he doesn’t have to be worried about using words like retard and pussy, getting cancelled, and all the Me Too stuff. So that’s where we are now, as a society. that’s horrible. I stopped reading anonymous comments a long time ago. Understand this wasn't a comment posted by a reader in reaction to an article. The so-called "comments section." This was a person speaking anonymously to the author of the article and quoted within the article. This should be a gift article. The comment is about 3/4s of the way down. www.ft.com/content/cf876b19-8c69-498b-95f5-d018618d99ec?sharetype=blocked
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Post by ~summer~ on Jan 14, 2025 21:25:36 GMT
that’s horrible. I stopped reading anonymous comments a long time ago. Understand this wasn't a comment posted by a reader in reaction to an article. The so-called "comments section." This was a person speaking anonymously to the author of the article and quoted within the article. This should be a gift article. The comment is about 3/4s of the way down. www.ft.com/content/cf876b19-8c69-498b-95f5-d018618d99ec?sharetype=blockedim not clicking on the link - really not a fan of journalists using anonymous sources except in extreme situations.
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Post by coaliesquirrel on Jan 15, 2025 2:11:14 GMT
IDK, personally I find it comforting to know other women feel the same way and that we're not alone. That allows me to go about the rest of my day not ruminating about political stuff. YMMV, obviously. and really, in my experience at least, it's not *all* related to politics. It's exacerbated by the current political situation, yes, but these women's issues are not political. Maybe... societal? Some other word... but not strictly political. I agree with both of these. It's strangely reassuring to know that I'm not imagining it, and I experience the good ol' boys dismissal regularly at work (at a large company with a hardcore focus on inclusion and DEI and such, btw, but an actual culture of just managing up).
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