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Post by giatocj on Jan 30, 2025 15:50:22 GMT
Sounds like Elon's "deal" with Twitter employees...who never got their 8 months severance and are now suing him. These a*holes are all the same and they all suck.
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Post by heckofagal on Jan 30, 2025 15:55:25 GMT
My DH works for the govt and got one of these letters but his department is not eligible for the buyout as they are essential employees. I'm concerned about what changes may be coming for him though. He's worked there 30 years and sacrificed so much for this job! I am not a govt employee. I was sent to WFH during Covid. After Covid they eliminated one of our offices so we went back staggered and shared desks. Half of us were in the office Mon & Tues, the other half in the office Wed & Thur. Then our building flooded. They decided WFH was working so well that they didn't need that office anymore so now all of my dept WFH every day again on a permanent basis. We don't have office space to go back to. I'm sure there are govt offices that are the same way. My DH has said there are employees who use his office location as their 'home base' but their positions have always been WFH so there is no office space for them to 'go back to'. Edited to add.. also, I wonder if a car manufacturer would benefit from making so many people return to the office when they have been working from home for so long?  |
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This is a clear ploy by Musk who worded this email EXACTLY like he did when he got rid of all those twitter employees. Anyone who takes this is stupid. Sorry, but they are. The verbage is that they would be on administrative leave but their position could be eliminated at any time. Guess what? If you say you resign, then they have cause to let you go and guess what? Because you said you resign, they no longer have to give you any unemployment, no additional benefits, you forfeit your pension (possibly). They get out of having to pay any unemployment and any severance and you are out of a job. The fact that it also broke protocol and came from OPM and not the individual department heads is also cause for alarm. Protocol is not being followed. He's going to end up walking this back like everything else he has tried.
Apparently he walked back the federal funding freeze yesterday.
My brother got the email, and he says the union is clarifying the terms. His rep said not to take the deal until they get the clarification, but if it is "doable," this will benefit many employees. There are two people in his unit who were hired during covid and have just never "caught on" to how to do the job. He doesn't supervise them, but he has had to do remedial training with them that has not gone well. They will probably be placed on PIPs (performance improvement plan) after the next round of reviews, and if there is a RIF (reduction in force), they will be the ones who are let go. If the offer is legit, they would be stupid not to take the extra months salary with a ready made "excuse" for leaving the job to use when applying to new positions. Ironically, this could end up costing MORE money than if they had not offered it. A RIF is almost a given at this point. Those who take it will be the newer employees who won't qualify for much compensation in a RIF (such as employees there less than one year so are still on probationary status), or employees who are able to be let go for cause (see the PIPs above). The more expensive employees will hold off and either wait for retirements or take the RIF compensation if they get let go because they qualify for a year or more compensation (by law or contract). If I wer a newer employee, I would take the deal (if it is determined to be legit) and get the hell out of Dodge. The federal government is going to be a terrible place to work for at least the next four years, and unless you have a lot of seniority invested, you are better off changing career paths now. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Jan 30, 2025 16:08:27 GMT
there is no way that her 8 hours is spent entirely on her work. unless people work on an assembly line or in a factory setting, I would bet that MOST people who work in an office setting do NOT spend eight hours entirely on their work. My office is right next to the coffee bar in the hallway... I *KNOW* people are not working eight entire hours, because I can hear them out in the hallway. They might be in the building for 8 hours, but work? nope-- not the entire day. And like Lurkingpea said, what does it matter if the work is getting done? It's not always about the work that is getting done. For example, cross-training doesn't work nearly as well when employees are working remotely because you miss out on those "organic" opportunities to share information. Collaboration doesn't happen as easily, either. We are in-person 4 days and remote 1. There is one other person who advises students. When we are in the office, and a weird situation arises with one of our systems, I stick my head out of my door and ask the other advisor across the hall if she has a minute to look at my screen to see if she knows what is going on. When I am working at home, I have to jump on Teams, and she may or may not be available to talk right then, so we end up leaving messages back and forth. It ends up taking a lot longer than the minute it would have to taken to say, "No, I've never seen that before. Reach out to the Registrar's Office to see if they can fix it." Or if a student has a problem, she might grab me for a minute to sit in on a meeting because I have worked in the office for much longer than she has and can rely on some institutional memory to try to come up with a solution. Sure, we could jump on a Teams meeting to do that, but if I'm not immediately available, we are back to the messages. If I'm in the office and taking a phone call, I can let her know that I'll stop over as soon as the call ends and give her a time frame for when I'm available. Sure, I can do all of my "tasks" remotely, but at some level, your job is about much more than a list of tasks that must be accomplished. There is teamwork, collaboration, problem-solving--all things that IMO are done more efficiently in person. |
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Post by Tearisci on Jan 30, 2025 16:17:31 GMT
unless people work on an assembly line or in a factory setting, I would bet that MOST people who work in an office setting do NOT spend eight hours entirely on their work. My office is right next to the coffee bar in the hallway... I *KNOW* people are not working eight entire hours, because I can hear them out in the hallway. They might be in the building for 8 hours, but work? nope-- not the entire day. And like Lurkingpea said, what does it matter if the work is getting done? It's not always about the work that is getting done. For example, cross-training doesn't work nearly as well when employees are working remotely because you miss out on those "organic" opportunities to share information. Collaboration doesn't happen as easily, either. We are in-person 4 days and remote 1. There is one other person who advises students. When we are in the office, and a weird situation arises with one of our systems, I stick my head out of my door and ask the other advisor across the hall if she has a minute to look at my screen to see if she knows what is going on. When I am working at home, I have to jump on Teams, and she may or may not be available to talk right then, so we end up leaving messages back and forth. It ends up taking a lot longer than the minute it would have to taken to say, "No, I've never seen that before. Reach out to the Registrar's Office to see if they can fix it." Or if a student has a problem, she might grab me for a minute to sit in on a meeting because I have worked in the office for much longer than she has and can rely on some institutional memory to try to come up with a solution. Sure, we could jump on a Teams meeting to do that, but if I'm not immediately available, we are back to the messages. If I'm in the office and taking a phone call, I can let her know that I'll stop over as soon as the call ends and give her a time frame for when I'm available. Sure, I can do all of my "tasks" remotely, but at some level, your job is about much more than a list of tasks that must be accomplished. There is teamwork, collaboration, problem-solving--all things that IMO are done more efficiently in person. For sure, some jobs are harder WFH, but in my case, I'm on Slack all day and using our project management system. I have no need to go into an office to interface with other people. Sometimes there can be a delay if the person isn't available at the moment but WFH really works for me. In DS's case with the Gov, he was required to go in one day a week to a secure location where he had to lock up his phone and not be in contact with anyone. He has no interested in doing that 5 days a week plus a long commute. Had he known he was going to have to go in 5 days a week, he would have never taken the job. They bought a house about 45 mins from his job because they got a good deal and he only had to commute once a week. This will impact thousands of people and not in a good way. |
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Post by msladibug on Feb 1, 2025 2:55:58 GMT
Ummmm….Doesn’t tramp work from home (ML)? He needs to be at the White House during his work hours too. He e too is a fed worker.
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Post by mommaho on Feb 1, 2025 10:31:39 GMT
I am such a creature of habit, when we had to WFH during COVID I had a horrible time getting used to the change of environment, technology and equipment. Our office was shut down but we could go in 1 day a week to get the physical work done we couldn't do at home and I looked forward to those days. Our Union has been working on a WFH Memorandum of Understanding now and those that want to will be able to work from home at least 2 days a week.
Thank goodness I'm retiring next month because I don't now and probably never will understand where my files go when they are 'in the cloud'!
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 1, 2025 14:18:23 GMT
I have a relative in the National Guard who were also sent the buyout letter.
Obviously they don't work from home for that, but I was surprised they were also given the buyout letter.
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Post by Tearisci on Feb 1, 2025 14:19:22 GMT
I have a relative in the National Guard who were also sent the buyout letter. Obviously they don't work from home for that, but I was surprised they were also given the buyout letter. It sounds like it went to every federal worker regardless of where they work. |
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Post by katlady on Feb 1, 2025 14:45:19 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 1, 2025 14:59:25 GMT
I have a relative in the National Guard who were also sent the buyout letter. Obviously they don't work from home for that, but I was surprised they were also given the buyout letter. It sounds like it went to every federal worker regardless of where they work. That is what I was thinking. I am morbidly curious as to what will happen to anyone foolish enough to accept this offer. |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 1, 2025 15:39:23 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027. Oh that’s not a plus. Unelected president eloon is bringing beds into the offices so people don’t leave and work 80 hours a week. |
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Post by katlady on Feb 1, 2025 16:42:49 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027. Oh that’s not a plus. Unelected president eloon is bringing beds into the offices so people don’t leave and work 80 hours a week. That would probably push him over the edge and he’ll retire. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 1, 2025 17:17:40 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027. Oh that’s not a plus. Unelected president eloon is bringing beds into the offices so people don’t leave and work 80 hours a week. Iheard he did that for his businesses, I cannot imagine he would get away with that for the fed govt. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 1, 2025 17:22:24 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027. My brother got an early retirement email yesterday (too late on Friday afternoon to call around for more info). He says he will be tempted to take it if includes the early retirement social security supplement (in addition to your retirement, they pay you the amount you would get from social security at age 62 until you turn 62). He is only 54. His home is paid off, and he bought new SUV a couple of years ago for cash. He told me his current living expenses are under $2000/month. He has been asked to adjunct at a local university for several years but has always turned it down because of his travel schedule. If he can’t adjunct, he would consider substitute teaching (about $20/hour in his county). He wouldn’t have to work, but 54 is too young to retire LOL. He has had some ideas for going into business himself, and adjusting or subbing would give him a cushion to get that started. |
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Post by pinklady on Feb 1, 2025 17:54:20 GMT
Oh that’s not a plus. Unelected president eloon is bringing beds into the offices so people don’t leave and work 80 hours a week. Iheard he did that for his businesses, I cannot imagine he would get away with that for the fed govt. Seriously, exactly who is going to stop him? I cannot find the original article but here is an excerpt |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2025 19:24:52 GMT
Iheard he did that for his businesses, I cannot imagine he would get away with that for the fed govt. Seriously, exactly who is going to stop him? I cannot find the original article but here is an excerpt |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2025 19:31:20 GMT
twinsmomfla99 I would not trust any of those sitting in DC right now to honor any agreement made, particularly money to be paid past FF's term. Think of all the contractors etc that FF never paid... His answer is 'sue me'... Remember, he now has immunity from everything!
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 1, 2025 19:40:35 GMT
I stay far away from political threads, but I'm curious about this. Understanding your son needs an accommodation, then I'm totally in support that he should not lose his job. BUT, why do people not want to go back to the office? I just don't get it! A vast majority went to the office prior to COVID. You are hired to do a job, for most your employer had brick and mortar buildings in which to do that job. Just because you can do your job from home, doesn't mean it's your right. I personally like the separation of 'Church and State'...at work you work, at home you live your personal life. Apologies, I just really struggle with this concept...and it has nothing to do with which side of the aisle you support. Not a Federal employee, but I am hybrid for my job and I get way more accomplished for my job when I work from home. There are no distractions, no co-workers stopping by to chat endlessly. There is always that co-worker that doesn't take the hint and just keeps on talking while you have a ton of things pending on your desk. I have a home office where my chair and work space is way more comfortable than what is offered at work. Everything is set up perfect for me. That's just the work side of it. But on a personal level, the work-home life balance is much better when you work from home. No long commutes. When I log off, I can instantly relax or take care of things around the house. I could go on, but those are just a few reasons why I prefer to work from home. |
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 1, 2025 19:50:57 GMT
BUT, why do people not want to go back to the office? I just don't get it! A vast majority went to the office prior to COVID. You are hired to do a job, for most your employer had brick and mortar buildings in which to do that job. I tend to agree with you. Most office workers went to an office building every day and it wasn't a problem. I think now, they've gotten comfortable working from home. No traffic, casual wear, etc. I retired but work PT as a consultant for my former company. They told me I could work from home since I am consultant. They haven't been in the office for 4 months because they are moving to a smaller building. Next week they have to return to work, one day a week (2 days for managers) and one employee is having a FIT. She babysits her grandchildren now while she is working. These are young children so there is no way that her 8 hours is spent entirely on her work. She says it will be hard to find a sitter for just one day...but the thing is...before COVID, she came to work every day, and they had alternate sitters then. What would she do if her job required her to go back daily? I guess she'd either find alternate sitters or she would find a new job. I understand that is nice to work from home, but people seem to forget that is a privilege not a right. There should have been clear guidelines by the employer. I was hired fully remote. There were rules that we had to agree with. No minor children in your care during working hours was the top of the list. I'm now hybrid and go in to the office 2 days a week, but those work from home rules still apply. A co-worker did tell me that there were some wild stories in the beginning when they went fully remote during COVID. People took naps during the day, took care of their babies and told co-workers they couldn't attend zoom meetings at certain times because their baby would be awake. So the CIO set guidelines. Without those guidelines, people are going to do what they want. And yes I get pissed when people work from home and goof off. It gives us all a bad name! |
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Post by tmarschall on Feb 1, 2025 20:25:05 GMT
I stay far away from political threads, but I'm curious about this. Understanding your son needs an accommodation, then I'm totally in support that he should not lose his job. BUT, why do people not want to go back to the office? I just don't get it! A vast majority went to the office prior to COVID. You are hired to do a job, for most your employer had brick and mortar buildings in which to do that job. Just because you can do your job from home, doesn't mean it's your right. I personally like the separation of 'Church and State'...at work you work, at home you live your personal life. Apologies, I just really struggle with this concept...and it has nothing to do with which side of the aisle you support. IMO, Because for some people, the ability to get into a work place and the amount of personal time spent trying to get there definitely affects a person’s personal/work life balance. People are pushing for more of a balance but do not seem to be able to come up with alternatives that will help…this helped for many now that we are in the technical age that it is possible. How long does it take you to get to work? For my small semi rural state many have to travel at least an hour and often in inclement conditions each way. That addition of 2 to 2.5 hours of personal time being able to spend with family, go see your kids ball game or whatever was a benefit and far outweighed whatever you (general you) think may be gained by being in a cubicle somewhere. For me, it saved me from having to drive in in Blizzards , intense storms etc. It also meant that at midnight I was not having to get in my car and drive home. As a 2nd shifter of a 24/7/365 department this was a game changer. And I have worked at my job for over 20 years. I still have to go in sometimes and immediately if I lose internet or power but it also means that I don’t dread risking life or limb trying to make it in some days when not needed and that it gives me back 1 and a half of hours of my very precious personal time without hindering any of my job or performance. And I was in an pretty empty building so it wasn’t like I needed to be there for socializing. There are some jobs that you can not. There are some jobs that can be hybrid. There are some people that want to go into a physical work place and there are some that do not. To generalize and force everyone to one way when it is not necessary, and actually sometimes counterproductive, doesn’t make sense either. I don’t see it as a one way or the other type issue. This. Additionally, wfh was not created by Covid, and many people were hired explicitly to wfh. They may have negotiated for this and/or passed up other opportunities because of this benefit. My commute is an hr and 20. I knew this going in. Luckily my seniority and performance has allowed me to leverage things for a partially wfh/teaching online in the spring semester. Much of my work is not collaborative. I can do the same thing in my home office as my work office without the office drama or commute. It's a quality of life issue just as important as good insurance and compensation. Also, 25+yrs into my career I would resent some arbitrary decision just so someone can micromanage me. When my performance requires me to be in person, I am present. If I'm not meeting expectations, then address it...don't up-end my life for your little power trip. |
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Post by epeanymous on Feb 1, 2025 20:40:10 GMT
A friend works for the government. He didn’t get a buyout letter. But, he has to return to the office full time. One plus side is that he is not allowed to do work outside the office. So once he leaves for the day, he is done. He works with people in different time zones, and used to work with them based on their time zone. Now, they have to work with him on his time zone. He can retire. He is hoping a package comes up. Or, he’ll retire when he has had enough. His plan is 2027. My brother got an early retirement email yesterday (too late on Friday afternoon to call around for more info). He says he will be tempted to take it if includes the early retirement social security supplement (in addition to your retirement, they pay you the amount you would get from social security at age 62 until you turn 62). He is only 54. His home is paid off, and he bought new SUV a couple of years ago for cash. He told me his current living expenses are under $2000/month. He has been asked to adjunct at a local university for several years but has always turned it down because of his travel schedule. If he can’t adjunct, he would consider substitute teaching (about $20/hour in his county). He wouldn’t have to work, but 54 is too young to retire LOL. He has had some ideas for going into business himself, and adjusting or subbing would give him a cushion to get that started. Tell him to consult with a lawyer. Since the buyout offers aren’t legally authorized he would want to make sure any deal he takes is enforceable. Once he is out of the job he is probably out, with this admin. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 1, 2025 20:40:40 GMT
disneypalI think she was wrong to be watching her grandchildren while working. . It is hard to get help for one day unless it is a at home relative or such. Any day care situation would want kids 5 days or like 3, M-W-F schedule. They would not want kids to be there one day, thus maybe not be able to fill that slot with kids 3-5 five days.. Your co-worker needs to clean up her act..
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Post by crazy4scraps on Feb 1, 2025 20:42:15 GMT
Edited to add.. also, I wonder if a car manufacturer would benefit from making so many people return to the office when they have been working from home for so long? I don’t think that would be a big factor. I think that people who are going to have cars have them already and many people who have cars but work in more urban/downtown areas use public transportation because it’s available and cheaper than paying for parking. Plus have you been car shopping lately? Even the prices on used vehicles right now is insane. I don’t think forcing people back to the office would necessarily be enough of an impetus to get someone to spend $$$$$+ on another vehicle (plus gas, maintenance and insurance) if they didn’t absolutely have to. |
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Post by twinsmomfla99 on Feb 1, 2025 22:50:36 GMT
My brother got an early retirement email yesterday (too late on Friday afternoon to call around for more info). He says he will be tempted to take it if includes the early retirement social security supplement (in addition to your retirement, they pay you the amount you would get from social security at age 62 until you turn 62). He is only 54. His home is paid off, and he bought new SUV a couple of years ago for cash. He told me his current living expenses are under $2000/month. He has been asked to adjunct at a local university for several years but has always turned it down because of his travel schedule. If he can’t adjunct, he would consider substitute teaching (about $20/hour in his county). He wouldn’t have to work, but 54 is too young to retire LOL. He has had some ideas for going into business himself, and adjusting or subbing would give him a cushion to get that started. Tell him to consult with a lawyer. Since the buyout offers aren’t legally authorized he would want to make sure any deal he takes is enforceable. Once he is out of the job he is probably out, with this admin. He is working with the union reps, and there is no way he will take a deal that isn’t ironclad. He has been there so long that his buyout in a RIF is huge, so he won’t jeopardize that. |
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Feb 1, 2025 23:31:12 GMT
Edited to add.. also, I wonder if a car manufacturer would benefit from making so many people return to the office when they have been working from home for so long? I don’t think that would be a big factor. I think that people who are going to have cars have them already and many people who have cars but work in more urban/downtown areas use public transportation because it’s available and cheaper than paying for parking. Plus have you been car shopping lately? Even the prices on used vehicles right now is insane. I don’t think forcing people back to the office would necessarily be enough of an impetus to get someone to spend $$$$$+ on another vehicle (plus gas, maintenance and insurance) if they didn’t absolutely have to. Let me go ahead and drop The Boring Company here…. And we can come back to talk about it in 2.5 years. |
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Post by mollycoddle on Feb 2, 2025 14:18:48 GMT
I don’t think that would be a big factor. I think that people who are going to have cars have them already and many people who have cars but work in more urban/downtown areas use public transportation because it’s available and cheaper than paying for parking. Plus have you been car shopping lately? Even the prices on used vehicles right now is insane. I don’t think forcing people back to the office would necessarily be enough of an impetus to get someone to spend $$$$$+ on another vehicle (plus gas, maintenance and insurance) if they didn’t absolutely have to. Let me go ahead and drop The Boring Company here…. And we can come back to talk about it in 2.5 years. Thank you for that; I had not heard of it. Musk has more tentacles than an octopus. |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 2, 2025 15:03:09 GMT
I don’t think that would be a big factor. I think that people who are going to have cars have them already and many people who have cars but work in more urban/downtown areas use public transportation because it’s available and cheaper than paying for parking. Plus have you been car shopping lately? Even the prices on used vehicles right now is insane. I don’t think forcing people back to the office would necessarily be enough of an impetus to get someone to spend $$$$$+ on another vehicle (plus gas, maintenance and insurance) if they didn’t absolutely have to. Let me go ahead and drop The Boring Company here…. And we can come back to talk about it in 2.5 years. Can you elaborate? I don’t know anything about The Boring Company |
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Let me go ahead and drop The Boring Company here…. And we can come back to talk about it in 2.5 years. Can you elaborate? I don’t know anything about The Boring Company It’s an Elon Musk company, and the general take away is electric (likely proprietary Teslas lol) drive around (driverless) in underground tunnel system to avoid/lessen surface traffic. Currently, there are tunnel (tunnels ?) being dug under Vegas. He was allowed to do so without the same sort of safety/environmental etc studies that a beta in, say NY, SF, DC or Boston would require. The reason I dropped it here is… what interest would a car manufacturer have in stopping a lot of WFH? Increase congestion and traffic in these major cities, get a couple government agencies off his balls by rubbing Trump’s, get the contracts and infrastructure money. He would have trouble selling such a thing to a Blue state/city… but friends in high places etc. I mean, we all know he’s stoked about Mars, this is easy and he already has the tech to make it happen. Disclaimer—- it’s been a while since I really dug into The Boring Company (pun intended…) so I have no idea where in the process the Vegas project is. |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 3, 2025 0:14:14 GMT
Can you elaborate? I don’t know anything about The Boring Company It’s an Elon Musk company, and the general take away is electric (likely proprietary Teslas lol) drive around (driverless) in underground tunnel system to avoid/lessen surface traffic. Currently, there are tunnel (tunnels ?) being dug under Vegas. He was allowed to do so without the same sort of safety/environmental etc studies that a beta in, say NY, SF, DC or Boston would require. The reason I dropped it here is… what interest would a car manufacturer have in stopping a lot of WFH? Increase congestion and traffic in these major cities, get a couple government agencies off his balls by rubbing Trump’s, get the contracts and infrastructure money. He would have trouble selling such a thing to a Blue state/city… but friends in high places etc. I mean, we all know he’s stoked about Mars, this is easy and he already has the tech to make it happen. Disclaimer—- it’s been a while since I really dug into The Boring Company (pun intended…) so I have no idea where in the process the Vegas project is. I just read an article about the 68 miles of miles of Elon tunnels under Las Vegas.. as deleted it.. oops! *** It twice installed tunnels without permits to work on county property. State and local environmental regulators documented it dumping untreated water into storm drains and the sewer system. And, as local politicians were approving an extension of the system, Boring workers were filing complaints with the state Occupational Safety and Health Administration about “ankle-deep” water in the tunnels, muck spills and severe chemical burns. After an investigation, Nevada OSHA in 2023 fined the company more than $112,000. Boring disputed the regulators’ allegations and contested the violations. The complaints have continued. “The Boring company is at it again,” an employee of the Clark County Water Reclamation District wrote to the agency’s general manager and legal counsel in June, after video showed water spilling from a company-owned property into the street near the University of Nevada, Las Vegas. Tyler Fairbanks, a Boring Company manager, emailed the county official, saying “we take this very seriously and we are working to correct what is going on.” In August, a Las Vegas Valley Water District staffer documented a similar issue. On both occasions, the county issued cease-and-desist letters but did not fine Boring. www.rawstory.com/elon-musk-company-is-tunneling-beneath-las-vegas-with-little-oversight/ |
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