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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2025 17:12:25 GMT
It seemed that during Trump's first term, previous presidents just let him do his thing and did not speak out about what was happening. I assume due to "norms" that the previous administration stay out of the current administrations "leadership." But Trump threw that all to the wind during Biden's term, and with the seriousness of what is happening now, I think they should speak up. That includes ALL of the living presidents and VP's. What are your thoughts?
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 19, 2025 17:16:42 GMT
I guess I don't know what good speaking up would do. Frankly, it might endanger them with the complete unhingedness of trump's followers and we know trump is not above pulling their security detail or starting some investigations into them or their families.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 19, 2025 17:29:38 GMT
I guess I don't know what good speaking up would do. Not to pick on you, but I am beginning to LOATH this attitude. Yes, it matters to speak up. Way too many "leaders" on both sides are hiding their heads in the sand, either hoping to protect their political career because of future ambition or because they don't want to be the target of Trump or both. I'm pummeling my Rep, Senators and national leadership with calls and emails because I'm hearing NOTHING from them.
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Post by Lurkingpea on Feb 19, 2025 17:43:10 GMT
I guess I don't know what good speaking up would do. Not to pick on you, but I am beginning to LOATH this attitude. Yes, it matters to speak up. Way too many "leaders" on both sides are hiding their heads in the sand, either hoping to protect their political career because of future ambition or because they don't want to be the target of Trump or both. I'm pummeling my Rep, Senators and national leadership with calls and emails because I'm hearing NOTHING from them. I am not saying people should not speak up. But former presidents need to worry about protecting their family. We have all seen how vindictive and petty trump is. Apparently no rules or laws apply to trump. What good would Obama do speaking out publicly?? The people that need to listen to what he has to say are not going to listen to him because he is Obama. Same with Clinton. Maybe some former Republicans should speak out, but honestly what good is it going to do?? I firmly believe all of them are voting and probably calling people that they know privately, but speaking up publicly isn't going to do anything but create targets for them and frankly probably jeopardize their children. Look what happened to Hunter Biden. Obama's children are young women just starting out in their lives. If you don't think that trump's followers and supporters won't go after them if Obama spoke out and trump made some asinine comment suggesting it, you are in denial about how crazy his mob is. I firmly believe trump would repeal their secret service detail in a heartbeat if he felt threatened by them.
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Post by gar on Feb 19, 2025 17:43:33 GMT
Why not? Nothing to lose at this point 🤷🏼♀️
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Post by Merge on Feb 19, 2025 17:45:43 GMT
I see the point about what Trump can do to them, but if Jasmine Crockett and AOC can be brave enough to speak out, it seems to me that three men wealthy enough to fund their own security detail if necessary could speak out as well.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 19, 2025 18:05:30 GMT
I see the point about what Trump can do to them, but if Jasmine Crockett and AOC can be brave enough to speak out, it seems to me that three men wealthy enough to fund their own security detail if necessary could speak out as well. 100% this! Lurkingpea , I think speaking out is vitally important. This is a time to take a stand and be brave. Every former president and their families are potential targets already. Publicly shame those that are not speaking out. Not just Democrats, but current Republicans who are whining privately that they didn't understand how much their red states depended on Federal funding. Shame them loudly and unambiguously. Don't let them have an out to say 10 years down the road that they didn't know where this coup would lead and wish they could have done something.
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Post by huskergal on Feb 19, 2025 18:09:48 GMT
Yes, yes they should!
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 19, 2025 18:41:24 GMT
I don't understand why ALL of the former Presidents, statesmen, diplomats and military leaders aren't speaking up.
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Post by jayfab on Feb 19, 2025 18:49:31 GMT
I don't understand why ALL of the former Presidents, statesmen, diplomats and military leaders aren't speaking up. Yes, if both parties speak up just maybe it could make a difference. Maybe then a few current reps would get the nerve.
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Post by hopemax on Feb 19, 2025 18:58:12 GMT
Yes they should.
I think they aren’t because of “unprecedented times.” They are still humans and everyone has their fight, flight, freeze reaction. We haven’t bred people to be good leaders to go up against something like this, because everyone assumes, “it can’t happen.” Breaking norms is hard, no one wants to stick their head out, and everyone ends up waiting for someone else to do something.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Feb 19, 2025 19:06:00 GMT
I understand the hesitation to intervene, but I also think that we are at a point where it is necessary. It would be especially impactful if Bush and other Republicans would stand up and say something, but we will see if they do so. Bush has been pretty much silent about Trump all along.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 19, 2025 19:30:03 GMT
Well Mike Pence is speaking out and Trump already tried to kill him. If he has the courage, there are others who should dig deep and find it in themselves as well.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 19, 2025 19:37:37 GMT
Well Mike Pence is speaking out and Trump already tried to kill him. If he has the courage, there are others who should dig deep and find it in themselves as well. didn't he just quote something about 'limiting Presidential powers' with no current context attached to it? I'd hardly call that 'speaking out.' But still it's something. I think they all should- since people (Rs) currently IN office have to be afraid of Elon's $$$ and a primary. The only people who CAN speak out safely are people no longer beholden to the money machine of the election cycle. And they need to be EXTREMELY SPECIFIC in what they say and what they're talking about- no more 'couching' things in politically vague terms, or trying to be politically correct about what's going on. The only way it's going to get through to the disinterested public is if it's VERY specific and VERY pointed.
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Post by lisae on Feb 19, 2025 19:41:14 GMT
Since I highly doubt Bush is going to, that leaves 3 Democrat Presidents so their opinions will be treated as partisan and only valued by those who already know what a danger the current POTUS is.
Mike Pence and Dick Cheney's opinions should matter but they didn't help during the election. The traditional Republican party is gone.
I hope the former presidents and VP's are all working behind the scenes to reach out to Senators and Representatives they know, but so far all we see is loyalty to the current administration likely for fear of retribution if they don't.
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Post by aj2hall on Feb 19, 2025 19:47:31 GMT
Regrettably, George W was silent during the campaign. If he spoke up now, it might help a little to compensate for his silence.
All of Trump's former advisors who refused to endorse him should be speaking up now, too.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 19, 2025 19:53:14 GMT
Well Mike Pence is speaking out and Trump already tried to kill him. If he has the courage, there are others who should dig deep and find it in themselves as well. didn't he just quote something about 'limiting Presidential powers' with no current context attached to it? I'd hardly call that 'speaking out.' But still it's something. I think they all should- since people (Rs) currently IN office have to be afraid of Elon's $$$ and a primary. The only people who CAN speak out safely are people no longer beholden to the money machine of the election cycle. And they need to be EXTREMELY SPECIFIC in what they say and what they're talking about- no more 'couching' things in politically vague terms, or trying to be politically correct about what's going on. The only way it's going to get through to the disinterested public is if it's VERY specific and VERY pointed. No, he has said more than that, including a direct push back about Ukraine today.
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Post by peano on Feb 19, 2025 19:59:35 GMT
didn't he just quote something about 'limiting Presidential powers' with no current context attached to it? I'd hardly call that 'speaking out.' But still it's something. I think they all should- since people (Rs) currently IN office have to be afraid of Elon's $$$ and a primary. The only people who CAN speak out safely are people no longer beholden to the money machine of the election cycle. And they need to be EXTREMELY SPECIFIC in what they say and what they're talking about- no more 'couching' things in politically vague terms, or trying to be politically correct about what's going on. The only way it's going to get through to the disinterested public is if it's VERY specific and VERY pointed. No, he has said more than that, including a direct push back about Ukraine today. Go Mike Pence! I think he's been taking instruction from Mother Pence on no BS.
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Post by Bridget in MD on Feb 19, 2025 20:04:41 GMT
I don't understand why ALL of the former Presidents, statesmen, diplomats and military leaders aren't speaking up. I totally agree. And if he pulls the security detail for any of the past presidents, wouldn't that make a statement? I honestly do not know why they are sitting by silently.
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Post by jill8909 on Feb 19, 2025 20:40:15 GMT
I was just thinking about this today. Thanks for bringing it up.
YES they need to speak up - regardless of their views. All the niceties are gone. It's time to do whatever you can.
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Post by airforcemomof1 on Feb 19, 2025 20:41:15 GMT
Not just yes but HELL YES. They should have spoken out numerous times before the election and certainly now. I kept/keep hoping Bush and Obama would.
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Post by Just T on Feb 19, 2025 20:46:22 GMT
While I wish they would, I honestly don't think it would make a dang bit of difference. First of all, three of them are Democrats. Those on the right would laugh if Clinton, Obama and Biden speak out against Trump. Bush...old establishment Republican, he would be called a RINO. Look at all the Republicans and Trumps former staff members from his first term who spoke out during the election cycle, and it didn't matter a bit.
I'm still pissed off that those who worked for him in his first term didn't speak out DURING that time and waited to write tell all books once he was out of office. That was the time to speak out. Now, it's too late.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 19, 2025 20:46:47 GMT
Well Mike Pence is speaking out and Trump already tried to kill him. If he has the courage, there are others who should dig deep and find it in themselves as well. Yes, I am grateful Pence is showing the courage to push back on the idea Ukraine started the war. I'm not on Twitter anymore, but understand this was his tweet: Why can't the news cycle be flooded with statements like this?
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Post by moodyblue on Feb 19, 2025 21:29:14 GMT
I’d love to have more prominent people from all over the political spectrum speaking out plainly and bluntly.
As for current elected reps, I applaud the ones like AOC and Bernie Sanders and Jasmine Crockett who stand their ground and speak up. I've been very disappointed in the Republicans who had genuine questions about Trump's nominated cabinet members, especially the ones who caved to the threats of having primary opponents and ended up supporting the nominees. I feel like they embarrassed themselves by pretending they were now okay with the choices.
I did read one article (can’t remember the source) that talked about how it isn’t just the money/primary threats that put pressure on them. It’s also the fact that there are physical threats and possible danger to their families if they get on the wrong side of Trump and Musk. There are some MAGA members who can and will go after people on the enemies list.
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Post by scrappinmama on Feb 19, 2025 21:47:00 GMT
Everyone should be speaking up, including former Presidents. At least Pence is showing some balls in all of this. But we need more people, especially people from the right speaking out!
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Feb 20, 2025 0:27:53 GMT
Yes. There is safety in numbers! One or two is hard. Although even in numbers they and/or their families could be at great peril. Unfortunately our country is at greater peril!! Our country is under assault from within. We need help from all of them!!! *** And yes, Mike Pence has spoken out!! President Donald Trump‘s former vice president is trolling the president on social media after Trump accused Ukraine of starting a war with Russia. And he’s quoting Fox News to prove his point. "Mr. President, Ukraine did not “start” this war. Russia launched an unprovoked and brutal invasion claiming hundreds of thousands of lives. The Road to Peace must be built on the Truth," Pence posted to X, along with a Fox News story with the headline: “Russia Invades Ukraine in Largest European Attack Since WWII”Trump on Wednesday warned Ukrainian President Volodymyr Zelenskyy that he “better move fast” to negotiate an end to Russia’s invasion of Ukraine or risks not having a nation to lead. The rhetoric from Trump toward Ukraine comes amid an escalating back-and-forth between the two presidents and rising tensions between the United States and much of Europe over Trump’s approach to settling the biggest conflict on the continent since World War II. www.nj.com/politics/2025/02/former-top-republican-uses-fox-news-headline-to-set-trump-straight-on-ukraine.htmllucyg
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Post by snowdie on Feb 20, 2025 4:36:28 GMT
To be silent is to repeat history.
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Post by dawnnikol on Feb 20, 2025 12:32:54 GMT
And if he pulls the security detail for any of the past presidents, wouldn't that make a statement? I honestly do not know why they are sitting by silently. They have that privilege and they should know better. To be silent is to repeat history.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Feb 20, 2025 12:40:52 GMT
Absolutely! Not to speak up is just as bad. Take a f'ing stand!
I can't believe I actually respect Pence for speaking out! He is the only one with guts.
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Post by workingclassdog on Feb 20, 2025 14:23:33 GMT
Not really. I think we all know what all the former President's think.. I think it would just cause more chaos in the long run. It's not like the MAGA people would listen. We know what Trump is doing. Now unless these former President's can kick his ass out of there, I don't think it would help.
Edited to add: If anyone read my other post I deleted it. I didn't want to cause a 'fight'.
Anyways, after reading some of the posts...I would certainly love if they would speak up against him. I just don't think it would matter.
I think there are good points both ways.
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