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Post by janet on Feb 20, 2025 17:28:24 GMT
Since I've been on semaglutide, the taste of wine (which was my usual drink) has completely changed for me and now it tastes disgusting. Also, I have zero desire to drink any more, which I did read is a side effect. I'll take it! We'll see what happens after I go off the sema...
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Post by Linda on Feb 20, 2025 17:30:34 GMT
milocat -thank you - that article presented that information in a clear and understandable manner
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Post by Darcy Collins on Feb 20, 2025 17:33:34 GMT
I've found the studies interesting, particularly as I'm at high risk for breast cancer. I too had heard that small amounts of red wine are beneficial for cardiovascular disease - which is actually a bigger killer than cancer, so am interested to see more studies - particularly ones that control for other risk factors. I stopped drinking last year when it was exacerbating my anxiety and interfering with my sleep - thanks perimenopause! I was honestly shocked how much my sleep improved. I've had chronic insomnia for decades and really did not think a glass or two of wine in the evening would make such a big difference.
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Post by scrapcat on Feb 20, 2025 17:46:50 GMT
Cancer survivor here, I've never drank much my whole life. And in the past 10 years, it would be 1-2 drinks per month prior to diagnosis. The last 1-2 years I've drastically reduced bcz of post-menopausal status, it just does not help any of that and unlike ever before, seems to have negative affects. I do tend to have more drinks when on vacation, so if I have 20 drinks a year, 10 are probably on vaca!
I think the studies are hard to understand. I listened to one researcher who broke down what is happening with DNA and how cancers develop and known carcinogens. She reduced it to 5 things to help to avoid if you want some control (which is a whole other topic). No smoking, alcohol is a known carcinogen, obesity is a risk factor, hpv virus, and UV light. She quantified alcohol as being not a bad as smoking, but worse than eating cured meats/processed red meats.
I've also experience a lot of people in my circle who are reducing/eliminating alcohol, mostly because they realize it's not helping them that much and why take the chance? At the same time, if you're celebrating or enjoying a pastime with family or something, it's not the end of the world to have a drink.
One thing with cancer is it's multifactorial and almost impossible to know where it comes from except for smoking, asbestos exposure and burn pits, things like that.
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Post by milocat on Feb 20, 2025 18:05:16 GMT
I don't think it's as simple as saying people who ...drink... are 30% more likely to develop a certain disease. Maybe a study does show an increased risk between cancer and drinking but what else increased those people's risks? It's everything, processed food intake, sugar intake, restorative sleep, stress, exercise, environment, genes. I also feel like there is some argument of correlation vs causation. So will eliminating alcohol or sugar make you that much healthier? If you're so worried about having a drink or a piece of birthday cake I can't see it being worth it. Cut down on the bad things, increase the good things, and don't worry about the rest (that's easier said than done).
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 20, 2025 18:15:14 GMT
I listened to one researcher who broke down what is happening with DNA and how cancers develop and known carcinogens. She reduced it to 5 things to help to avoid if you want some control (which is a whole other topic). I'd be interested in having a listen if you'd like to refer me. 
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Post by mom on Feb 20, 2025 18:22:57 GMT
Eh. I had a stroke at 34. I figure I am on borrowed time and would rather die today knowing I enjoyed every last part of my life instead of skipping part of life because it might cause cancer.
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Post by Sarah*H on Feb 20, 2025 18:31:44 GMT
I primarily drink wine when I drink alcohol and I'm more worried about a cancer risk from the pesticides used on the grapes than I am about the cancer risks from the alcohol itself. I don't think I'll ever give up drinking entirely but with the growing availability of well crafted mocktails on bar & restaurant menus, I've reduced my social consumption a bit. That's not because of a concern about cancer though, just about taking advantage of a "healthier" option when it's available.
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Post by TXMary on Feb 20, 2025 18:43:11 GMT
Eh. I had a stroke at 34. I figure I am on borrowed time and would rather die today knowing I enjoyed every last part of my life instead of skipping part of life because it might cause cancer. This is how I feel today at 63. At 47, I was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast cancer and given a 43% chance of surviving for 5 years. That was 16 years ago. I do drink-probably a lot based on pea standards from what others have shared. I usually drink between 4 and 6 light beers per week. Rarely hard liquor unless we're on vacation. I have no plans to give that up. I drink beer because I like it. DH and I like going to local breweries and trying new beers. I stopped drinking once. No particular reason. Just decided I wasn't going to drink anymore and I didn't for over 10 years. It's all about balance for me now between making healthier choices and enjoying myself because I'm very lucky to still be alive.
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Post by Texas Scrap on Feb 20, 2025 18:50:12 GMT
I don't think it's as simple as saying people who ...drink... are 30% more likely to develop a certain disease. Maybe a study does show an increased risk between cancer and drinking but what else increased those people's risks? It's everything, processed food intake, sugar intake, restorative sleep, stress, exercise, environment, genes. I also feel like there is some argument of correlation vs causation. So will eliminating alcohol or sugar make you that much healthier? If you're so worried about having a drink or a piece of birthday cake I can't see it being worth it. Cut down on the bad things, increase the good things, and don't worry about the rest (that's easier said than done). I agree with all of this! I grew up in with an alcoholic parent (and smoker). I absolutely saw the damage that did to him with early cancer, and eventually dying of multiple cancers. I spent most of my adult years as a "light" social drinker. 4 years ago, I got Long Covid and that quickly followed by menopause. A few years earlier one of my husbands closest friends got a colon cancer DX at 45 years old. Super fit guy, but a social drinker. DH did alot of research on functional health and cancer and after a few books on the topic he made a very conscious decision to stop drinking (will still enjoy 1-2 drinks year). I stopped drinking bc of my LC + menopause and doing the same reading my DH did. It was a combo of not enjoying it, having lousy after effects and realizing if this is a factor that I can control, I am going to choose to keep it out of my life as one less factor to worry about. I had half a glass of champagne at a wedding last month, but really I just don't drink otherwise. I don't berate myself for that glass - totally enjoyed it in the moment. Cancer literally feeds on sugars, so it makes sense that it would feed on the sugars in alcohol. That said, there are so many factors in play with our health that I don't think it is realistic or even practical to try to rule them all out. I think you have to figure out what is most life GIVING to you and align your life to those principles. I really do not miss drinking at all. I did enjoy a few sips of champagne to celebrate our friends, and I also had a piece of wedding cake, but I will go home and not drink any soda or alcohol and I feel good that those are the best choices for me. I was talking to my DH about preventative measures the other day and he made the point, we have influence over about 25% of our future health and longevity and the rest is out of our hands. So make decisions knowing you cannot control for everything.
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Post by mom on Feb 20, 2025 19:30:51 GMT
Eh. I had a stroke at 34. I figure I am on borrowed time and would rather die today knowing I enjoyed every last part of my life instead of skipping part of life because it might cause cancer. This is how I feel today at 63. At 47, I was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast cancer and given a 43% chance of surviving for 5 years. That was 16 years ago. I do drink-probably a lot based on pea standards from what others have shared. I usually drink between 4 and 6 light beers per week. Rarely hard liquor unless we're on vacation. I have no plans to give that up. I drink beer because I like it. DH and I like going to local breweries and trying new beers. I stopped drinking once. No particular reason. Just decided I wasn't going to drink anymore and I didn't for over 10 years. It's all about balance for me now between making healthier choices and enjoying myself because I'm very lucky to still be alive. Ha. I was thinking that as well. No judgment from me.
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Post by librarylady on Feb 20, 2025 20:10:44 GMT
My alcohol consumption = 4 oz every 3-4 days. So, I'm not concerned.
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Post by jeremysgirl on Feb 20, 2025 20:17:41 GMT
I do drink-probably a lot based on pea standards from what others have shared. Ha. I was thinking that as well. No judgment from me. I know anecdotes are not data, but the people I know drink on a much bigger scale than peas. I'm not sure I know anyone who is just not into drinking that wasn't at one time an alcoholic. It just seems like it's "just what you do" in my circle.
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Post by FuzzyMutt on Feb 20, 2025 20:37:07 GMT
I do drink-probably a lot based on pea standards from what others have shared. Ha. I was thinking that as well. No judgment from me. I know anecdotes are not data, but the people I know drink on a much bigger scale than peas. I'm not sure I know anyone who is just not into drinking that wasn't at one time an alcoholic. It just seems like it's "just what you do" in my circle. Same, but I think that’s true for a lot of things for Peas. 🤣 Wink wink.
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Post by peano on Feb 20, 2025 21:44:25 GMT
I've always been a social drinker but decided to do a dry January this year to see if it impacted the pain and inflammation in my joints. I had my last drink Christmas Eve and have had nothing since then, because I've been virtually housebound with nausea, vomiting and diarrhea from starting a new medication. Typically, I'd drink if we went out. Honestly, I haven't missed it in terms of the taste, but I do like the experience of prepping for a meal and having a drink. I can't say I'll never drink again, but there has been a marginal improvement in my joint pain which makes me happy.
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Post by lisae on Feb 20, 2025 21:53:02 GMT
I marked mine wrong. I should have marked relatively little and am unconcerned. I have a glass of one every couple of months at most. Now when they decide chocolate is actually bad for me, I'm in trouble.
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Post by laurasw on Feb 20, 2025 22:25:21 GMT
I’m reading an excellent book (highly recommend) called “Outlive: The Science & Art of Longevity” - it strongly recommends not more than 7 drinks per week. I haven't read the book but love following Dr. Peter Attia on Instagram. I really need to read it.
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Post by bc2ca on Feb 20, 2025 23:12:31 GMT
This is how I feel today at 63. At 47, I was diagnosed with a very aggressive breast cancer and given a 43% chance of surviving for 5 years. That was 16 years ago. I do drink-probably a lot based on pea standards from what others have shared. I usually drink between 4 and 6 light beers per week. Rarely hard liquor unless we're on vacation. I have no plans to give that up. I drink beer because I like it. DH and I like going to local breweries and trying new beers. I stopped drinking once. No particular reason. Just decided I wasn't going to drink anymore and I didn't for over 10 years. It's all about balance for me now between making healthier choices and enjoying myself because I'm very lucky to still be alive. Ha. I was thinking that as well. No judgment from me. I'm feeling a little of the same (borrowed time and underestimating the amount we drink  ). I'm really an all or nothing girl, and was easily drinking 7 glasses a week when I drank. My favorite group of nondrinking friends always forget they don't drink when on our annual craft retreat. Three of us brought a couple bottle of wine to share at dinner. Once the bottle was open, the other five decided they would have a glass, too. No peer pressure, just grown up ladies deciding "why not" - a bottle of wine does not go far among eight let me tell you. The next year, my drinking buddies and I brought 12 bottles for the three nights. FWIW, as I kind of said upthread, I think it is inflammation that is the issue, not alcohol by itself. A risk factor for my cancer (endometrial) is early menses and late menopause which I had zero ability to influence.
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Post by scrapcat on Feb 21, 2025 2:03:22 GMT
I listened to one researcher who broke down what is happening with DNA and how cancers develop and known carcinogens. She reduced it to 5 things to help to avoid if you want some control (which is a whole other topic). I'd be interested in having a listen if you'd like to refer me.  Sure, it’s the Magical Overthinkers podcast & the host was interviewing her mom who is a cancer researcher and also a survivor. The focus of the podcast was “toxins”, so they also spoke about microplastics. It’s a good podcast if you can get passed the gen zifying part, not that it’s bad, but I have to sometimes look up their slang. It was episode 14.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 21, 2025 6:39:53 GMT
Why has someone marked this as political?
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