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Post by ashley on Mar 4, 2025 11:59:27 GMT
Update: it is happening. The Museum of African American History and the Woman’s Museum are first up for slaughter, because if we learn about oppression we won’t fall back into it so easily. apnews.com/article/trump-smithsonian-executive-order-improper-ideology-558ebfab722f603e94e02a1a4b06ed4d—————- I’ve been thinking recently about my amazing vacation to D.C. two years ago to fulfill a lifetime dream of visiting the Smithsonian museums. And reflecting on the content of those museums, I wonder how long until they too are attacked and possibly closed entirely? I recall exhibits about sexual diversity in the animal kingdom, information posted about jellyfish and how they can change gender to respond to their environment, for example. There are exhibits about human rights, women’s issues including reproductive freedoms, and of course many exhibits including an entire museum about African American history and racism. How long until these institutions are attacked and closed or highly restricted? There are many wrongs and harms happening in the US right now, and much alarm from experts in areas of human rights, the downfall of democracies, and rising of authoritarian type regimes. There are undeniable patterns being followed that Hitler and more modern day rulers like Putin and the head of Hungary have followed. I do not know for sure, but I suspect controlling public access to information and ideas through institutions like schools, art centres, and museums must be a classic step to creating a controllable ignorant population. Another reason I have this gut concern for museums is I think by controlling them, it allows an authoritarian type government to rewrite the past, which is another means of contributing to an ignorant and controllable population: if we can’t learn from history, we will certainly be compliant in repeating it. I’ve already seen some steps to do this, in the acts/suggestions of removing trans winners in sport from their previous wins that occurred before the current hateful administration started destroying society. This to me represents beginning steps in changing history to suit the current administration to eventually make a less resistant population. My only saving thought is that I doubt Trump or any of his mindless puppets have ever been to a museum, so perhaps their ignorance will be our blessing for once. |
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Post by Bridget in MD on Mar 4, 2025 12:36:53 GMT
I wonder if they are part of the National Park Service?
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Post by ashley on Mar 4, 2025 12:41:21 GMT
I wonder if they are part of the National Park Service? According to the Smithsonian Institute website, they were created in “1846 as an independent federal trust instrumentality”. www.si.edu/about/administration |
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Post by dawnnikol on Mar 4, 2025 12:46:11 GMT
I’ve been thinking recently about my amazing vacation to D.C. two years ago to fulfill a lifetime dream of visiting the Smithsonian museums. And reflecting on the content of those museums, I wonder how long until they too are attacked and possibly closed entirely? I recall exhibits about sexual diversity in the animal kingdom, information posted about jellyfish and how they can change gender to respond to their environment, for example. There are exhibits about human rights, women’s issues including reproductive freedoms, and of course many exhibits including an entire museum about African American history and racism. How long until these institutions are attacked and closed or highly restricted? There are many wrongs and harms happening in the US right now, and much alarm from experts in areas of human rights, the downfall of democracies, and rising of authoritarian type regimes. There are undeniable patterns being followed that Hitler and more modern day rulers like Putin and the head of Hungary have followed. I do not know for sure, but I suspect controlling public access to information and ideas through institutions like schools, art centres, and museums must be a classic step to creating a controllable ignorant population. Another reason I have this gut concern for museums is I think by controlling them, it allows an authoritarian type government to rewrite the past, which is another means of contributing to an ignorant and controllable population: if we can’t learn from history, we will certainly be compliant in repeating it. I’ve already seen some steps to do this, in the acts/suggestions of removing trans winners in sport from their previous wins that occurred before the current hateful administration started destroying society. This to me represents beginning steps in changing history to suit the current administration to eventually make a less resistant population. My only saving thought is that I doubt Trump or any of his mindless puppets have ever been to a museum, so perhaps their ignorance will be our blessing for once. Well, he already took over as head of the Kennedy Center, right? It's coming. This is also why so many people scrambled to save the websites that the Administration started removing. Yes, some of them had public info that needed to be saved for health, etc. Part of it is to save history from being swept away, too. |
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Post by alsomsknit on Mar 4, 2025 13:23:41 GMT
There were many historical sites destroyed in the Middle East simply because they weren’t of the prevailing religion. Why can’t it happen here?
Not being flippant. Rather ill over what else is coming.
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Post by ashley on Mar 4, 2025 13:26:37 GMT
dawnnikol, the Kennedy Center takeover is definitely an event that made me think about the Smithsonian Institute.
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Post by Merge on Mar 4, 2025 13:28:11 GMT
I wouldn't be surprised if the Smithsonian museums are next on the chopping block, and also the National Gallery.
Our excellent local science museum has a large display about human evolution and an extensive paleontology exhibit. I also wouldn't be surprised to see Trump threaten to refuse any federal funds or grants to museums that go against creationist/young earth theology.
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Post by peano on Mar 4, 2025 15:30:00 GMT
I’ve been thinking recently about my amazing vacation to D.C. two years ago to fulfill a lifetime dream of visiting the Smithsonian museums. And reflecting on the content of those museums, I wonder how long until they too are attacked and possibly closed entirely? I recall exhibits about sexual diversity in the animal kingdom, information posted about jellyfish and how they can change gender to respond to their environment, for example. There are exhibits about human rights, women’s issues including reproductive freedoms, and of course many exhibits including an entire museum about African American history and racism. How long until these institutions are attacked and closed or highly restricted? There are many wrongs and harms happening in the US right now, and much alarm from experts in areas of human rights, the downfall of democracies, and rising of authoritarian type regimes. There are undeniable patterns being followed that Hitler and more modern day rulers like Putin and the head of Hungary have followed. I do not know for sure, but I suspect controlling public access to information and ideas through institutions like schools, art centres, and museums must be a classic step to creating a controllable ignorant population. Another reason I have this gut concern for museums is I think by controlling them, it allows an authoritarian type government to rewrite the past, which is another means of contributing to an ignorant and controllable population: if we can’t learn from history, we will certainly be compliant in repeating it. I’ve already seen some steps to do this, in the acts/suggestions of removing trans winners in sport from their previous wins that occurred before the current hateful administration started destroying society. This to me represents beginning steps in changing history to suit the current administration to eventually make a less resistant population. My only saving thought is that I doubt Trump or any of his mindless puppets have ever been to a museum, so perhaps their ignorance will be our blessing for once. There's a lot of wealth in that museum. Traitor has no sense of aesthetics, but he's motivated by $$$ so I can see him "borrowing" from museums, kinda like the Nazis. And destroying/warehousing anything that goes against the Project 2025 vision. |
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Post by Tearisci on Mar 4, 2025 15:32:00 GMT
I wonder how long the Holocaust Museum will be around. I believe it's privately funded so not under the Government or Smithsonian.
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Post by msladibug on Mar 4, 2025 16:01:24 GMT
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Post by pilcas on Mar 4, 2025 19:24:48 GMT
The African American History and the Native American museums would surely go. Hope they don’t burn anything.
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Post by Merge on Mar 4, 2025 22:52:48 GMT
The African American History and the Native American museums would surely go. Hope they don’t burn anything. It’s gonna be like the fall of Alexandria up in here. |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 5, 2025 0:08:39 GMT
The African American History and the Native American museums would surely go. Hope they don’t burn anything. I had this thought as well. I go to the African-American History and Culture museum every time I am in DC. I love that place, even though parts of it are emotionally rough (I love a text-heavy museum). I also always go to the Holocaust Museum, and their text is not completely overt but it would be difficult not to read their materials about the rise of Hitler and see the indicated parallels. |
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Post by ashley on Mar 5, 2025 0:12:41 GMT
The African American History and the Native American museums would surely go. Hope they don’t burn anything. There are also two new museums in progress — a women’s museum, and an American Latino museum. The Air and Space museum also has exhibits on women’s successes and struggles. |
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Post by ashley on Mar 5, 2025 0:16:10 GMT
Ugh, this made my heart feel sick. You’re right, it does seem like something he would do — perhaps take the Declaration of Independence and probably alter it and add his name to it. Either that or he’ll use it as toilet paper which feels a lot like what he’s doing anyway.
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Post by ashley on Mar 28, 2025 0:46:36 GMT
Update: it is happening.
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Post by ntsf on Mar 28, 2025 1:08:34 GMT
we were just talking about the smithsonians.. thinking of going in may.. we better go before they destroy them.
maybe the divisive stuff can go in the basement.. hide it.. mislabel it so we can preserve it for the future.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2025 1:23:08 GMT
I’ve been thinking recently about my amazing vacation to D.C. two years ago to fulfill a lifetime dream of visiting the Smithsonian museums. And reflecting on the content of those museums, I wonder how long until they too are attacked and possibly closed entirely? I recall exhibits about sexual diversity in the animal kingdom, information posted about jellyfish and how they can change gender to respond to their environment, for example. There are exhibits about human rights, women’s issues including reproductive freedoms, and of course many exhibits including an entire museum about African American history and racism. How long until these institutions are attacked and closed or highly restricted? There are many wrongs and harms happening in the US right now, and much alarm from experts in areas of human rights, the downfall of democracies, and rising of authoritarian type regimes. There are undeniable patterns being followed that Hitler and more modern day rulers like Putin and the head of Hungary have followed. I do not know for sure, but I suspect controlling public access to information and ideas through institutions like schools, art centres, and museums must be a classic step to creating a controllable ignorant population. Another reason I have this gut concern for museums is I think by controlling them, it allows an authoritarian type government to rewrite the past, which is another means of contributing to an ignorant and controllable population: if we can’t learn from history, we will certainly be compliant in repeating it. I’ve already seen some steps to do this, in the acts/suggestions of removing trans winners in sport from their previous wins that occurred before the current hateful administration started destroying society. This to me represents beginning steps in changing history to suit the current administration to eventually make a less resistant population. My only saving thought is that I doubt Trump or any of his mindless puppets have ever been to a museum, so perhaps their ignorance will be our blessing for once. There's a lot of wealth in that museum. Traitor has no sense of aesthetics, but he's motivated by $$$ so I can see him "borrowing" from museums, kinda like the Nazis. And destroying/warehousing anything that goes against the Project 2025 vision. Has already 'borrowed' from museums. The walls in the Oval are covered with multiple paintings. At least across from the desk he sits at... They panned to area the other day to show them. |
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Post by Merge on Mar 28, 2025 1:59:45 GMT
we were just talking about the smithsonians.. thinking of going in may.. we better go before they destroy them. maybe the divisive stuff can go in the basement.. hide it.. mislabel it so we can preserve it for the future. I'm going to trust in our museum curators and archivists to preserve our history for future generations.
This whole thing makes me ill. "Improper ideology." JFC. I thought these guys were supposed to be free speech absolutists.
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 28, 2025 2:13:23 GMT
I just saw that. That empty-headed tool is determined to MAGA-fy our institutions. It will take years to fix after he is finally gone.
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Post by valincal on Mar 28, 2025 2:53:35 GMT
😔 I just really don’t know what to say anymore. And there are way too many big words in that executive order for Donald to have written it. Who exactly is behind all of this crap?
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 28, 2025 3:07:06 GMT
I am going to Washington DC in June on a school field trip. I have said before on here, and told my kids, I wouldn't be surprised if it looks like Biff's apartment from Back to the Future 2 by the time I get there...
The Smithsonian is on the itinerary.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2025 3:38:03 GMT
In progress.. Smithsonian.. some more info... President Donald Trump signed an executive order Thursday to remove "improper ideology" from the famed Smithsonian Museums -- and the National Zoo -- expanding his conservative clampdown on cultural institutions.Trump, who has sought to root out what he called "woke" culture since returning to power in January, accused the Smithsonian of trying to rewrite American history on issues of race and gender. His order puts hardline Vice President JD Vance in charge of efforts to carry out the order at the Smithsonian's museums, educations and research centers. Trump said this should include a drive to "remove improper ideology from such properties." The Smithsonian operates 21 internationally renowned museums and galleries, mainly in and around Washington, dedicated to art, science, space and American history. They include the National Zoo in the US capital, which recently welcomed two giant pandas from China, debuting them to the public just days after Trump's inauguration for a second term. *** The presidential order -- titled "Restoring Truth and Sanity to American History" -- targeted a number of examples of what it also called "corrosive ideology."It said the National Museum of African American History and Culture, one of the newest Smithsonian additions, had described hard work and the nuclear family as "aspects of 'White Culture.'" Trump also targeted what he said was a plan by the as-yet-unopened American Women's history museum for "celebrating the exploits of male athletes participating in women's sports." www.rawstory.com/donald-trump-2671618536/ |
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Post by epeanymous on Mar 28, 2025 4:12:30 GMT
These yahoos need to be dragged into the Emmett Till memorial at NMAAHC and forced to stand there until they drop this. ETA: What burns me so much is how scholarly that museum’s text is. I’ve rarely seen anything so thoughtful and well-sourced. Sorry reality is painful for some people. |
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Post by edie3 on Mar 28, 2025 4:31:46 GMT
There is absolutely nothing sacred to him, unless it benefits him personally. You cannot erase history, you fucking fat fool.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Mar 28, 2025 5:07:25 GMT
There is absolutely nothing sacred to him, unless it benefits him personally. You cannot erase history, you fucking fat fool. but he has no qualms about taking the valuables he can get his hands on and of course fit in his boxes... |
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Post by mollycoddle on Mar 28, 2025 11:15:19 GMT
😔 I just really don’t know what to say anymore. And there are way too many big words in that executive order for Donald to have written it. Who exactly is behind all of this crap? My bet is on Count Dracula-errr, I mean, Stephen Miller. Google him. He looks like he would feel right at home with a set of fangs. |
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Post by ashley on Mar 28, 2025 11:27:29 GMT
I am going to Washington DC in June on a school field trip. I have said before on here, and told my kids, I wouldn't be surprised if it looks like Biff's apartment from Back to the Future 2 by the time I get there... The Smithsonian is on the itinerary. How fun!! Which of the Smithsonian museums will you be visiting? There are many good ones to choose from. |
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Post by hop2 on Mar 28, 2025 11:30:13 GMT
I wonder how long the Holocaust Museum will be around. I believe it's privately funded so not under the Government or Smithsonian. That didn’t stop them from invading the US institute for peace. It was started by the government but it is/was an independent non profit entity and its employees are not government employees, its building is not a government building. ( well it wasn’t til the raided it anyway ) |
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Post by ashley on Mar 28, 2025 11:37:26 GMT
I wonder how long the Holocaust Museum will be around. I believe it's privately funded so not under the Government or Smithsonian. That didn’t stop them from invading the US institute for peace. It was started by the government but it is/was an independent non profit entity and its employees are not government employees, its building is not a government building. ( well it wasn’t til the raided it anyway ) According to Wikipedia the US Institute of Peace is funded by Congress and the board members are appointed by the president and the Senate. |
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