Elsabelle
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Post by Elsabelle on Mar 27, 2025 22:19:05 GMT
Recently I read about aphantasia. I realized that I'm somewhere around 4 or 5 on their example chart. I really can't visualize things. If I can it's vague and only there for a brief moment and then the mental image is gone. I got to thinking about how this affects my scrapbooking or other arts and crafts I dabble in. This explains why I often cut things twice on my Cameo. For example, I often cut a title with a layer underneath and then I don't like it so I'll cut it again in different colors or switch the colors I've already used. I can't visualize what the title will look like. I'm generally happy with my layouts because I'm happy with my style and not because I visualize them first. So I'm wondering where other scrapbookers are on this visualizing ability spectrum. Can you visualize your layout and then follow through on it? Or are you taking it step by step and seeing how you like each step before you move on to the next one?
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caangel
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Post by caangel on Mar 27, 2025 22:43:30 GMT
I can visualize and am probably 1 maybe a 2.
When scrapping I can have an idea but usually my ratios are off on how something will fit in reality. So it's not perfect and I still have to take it step by step.
My DH can not visualize. Which is shocking when I found this out cuz he is a structural engineer (residential homes) and has amazing spacial awareness. An architect that he works with told me DH has the best spacial awareness of anyone he has ever worked with. Yet he doesn't visualize/see a picture in his brain at all. He says he can make a picture if he really tries but it disappears quickly.
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Post by Linda on Mar 27, 2025 23:15:30 GMT
I can't visualise - no mental pictures here. I was shocked when I learnt that most people see images when they dream (and my family was equally shocked that I don't) Or are you taking it step by step and seeing how you like each step before you move on to the next one? this and I typically layout the whole layout before I grab the adhesive
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Post by Lurkingpea on Mar 27, 2025 23:25:17 GMT
I have complete aphantasia. It is just a black void in my head. I think that is one of the reasons I enjoy scrapbooking and photography though. I can't picture my grandparents in my mind. I can't picture my pets in my mind. I can't picture my husband in my mind. I can't hear his voice or anything like that so I love photographs and I love scrapbooking. I imagine that is why, it is a way for me to hold on to images. When I scrapbook I have to start with a sketch. I never end up following the sketch exactly but it gives me a starting point to on how to lay down my photos and how many papers to choose. I also have to actually put the papers down in the area. I think I'm going to like them and I'm constantly moving them and auditioning different papers.
That article was very interesting. It never occurred to me until I read that that people with imaginary friends could actually see the person. I am able to understand a little bit of the rest of it, but the thought of actually seeing an imaginary friend is bizarre to me. That ball on the table question was fascinating as well because when I read it I'm like well duh. It's going to fall off the table. How was this going to tell if anyone has a different thinking process. I mean what other answer is there? Then when they revealed some people would know what the ball looked like and who pushed it, how big it was etc. that just is astonishing to me. I just found out about anphantasia a year or so ago and it just blows my mind that people can see things in their head.
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Post by retrofunscrapper on Mar 27, 2025 23:30:36 GMT
I am a total 1 on the scale. That apple has shine, tiny specks of white, & a textured stem.😄 I actually have more trouble getting images *out* of my head than in; I wonder if those with aphantasia find it easier to sleep than people with hyperphantasia?
As far as crafting goes, I believe being “hyper” on the scale likely does help, as I’m able to know ahead of time what won’t work for scale/color/design and can quickly eliminate those possibilities. My spatial reasoning is strong, too, which has led to many comical disagreements with my hubby, because it almost always turns out that if I think it will fit, it will fit, regardless of any grumbles to the contrary.
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PaperAngel
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Post by PaperAngel on Mar 27, 2025 23:53:35 GMT
Like caangel, I'm probably a 1-2 on the Imagination Scale in the linked article. However, I'm left-brained/creatively-challenged & have perfectionist tendencies that make me an indecisive & painstakingly S-L-O-W scrapper who will rework/quit & restart as much as necessary to be completely satisfied with each step in the process. Papercrafters are a diverse group of preferences/skills/abilities/etc.
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Post by breetheflea on Mar 28, 2025 0:48:34 GMT
I can see things in my head, but not as vivid as real life, I have a hard time with faces, kind of like how no one realizes Clark Kent and Superman are the same guy because one wears glasses. Yeah, that's me...
My DH has super detailed vivid dreams that he will go into great detail about, and I forget mine as soon as I wake up.
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Post by paget on Mar 28, 2025 1:10:23 GMT
I’m a strong 1. The Apple in my mind is the same as seeing an Apple In person. I’m also good with figuring out design concepts in my head - for home decor and scrapping etc. I like to go for walks and come back and have a whole new room design planned down to mini details just doing In my head and switching pieces and colors out.
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Post by wordyphotogbabe on Mar 28, 2025 1:53:44 GMT
I can definitely see images in my head. When I was with my ex and constantly in fight-or-flight survival mode, the only way to calm my brain down enough to sleep was to imagine elaborate images as part of a story that I was creating as I imagined it -- like my own fictional movie. I would have several "movies" going at any time -- usually with me as the female main character -- and would pick and choose which one to create that evening in bed.
I don't do that with scrapping, though, as I don't really think too hard about what my page will look like mid-process. I've been scrapping for 20+ years so I just know what to do and how to do it & that's that.
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Post by retrofunscrapper on Mar 28, 2025 3:02:59 GMT
I can definitely see images in my head. When I was with my ex and constantly in fight-or-flight survival mode, the only way to calm my brain down enough to sleep was to imagine elaborate images as part of a story that I was creating as I imagined it -- like my own fictional movie. I would have several "movies" going at any time -- usually with me as the female main character -- and would pick and choose which one to create that evening in bed. I don't do that with scrapping, though, as I don't really think too hard about what my page will look like mid-process. I've been scrapping for 20+ years so I just know what to do and how to do it & that's that. I’m so sorry that you ever had to employ that coping mechanism, and glad to hear it’s in the past.
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Post by ScrapbookMyLife on Mar 28, 2025 5:39:09 GMT
Whether it's scrapbooking or home decor....I visualize and see it in my mind.
But, sometimes what I visualize.....doesn't always look like I envisioned, once it's laid out on a layout or I re-arrange furniture, or add something to my home decor. Sometimes I love it, sometimes I don't like it. Sometimes, if it's not coming together as I envisioned....I have to walk away from it for a while (hours, days, weeks, month, etc...) , whether it's scrapbooking or home decor. Sometimes, it becomes a work in progress, sometimes it becomes a re-start.
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Chinagirl828
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Post by Chinagirl828 on Mar 28, 2025 5:55:30 GMT
I'd say I'm a 1 or 2 in that I can pretty clearly visualise things. With my layouts I sort of have an idea of where I'm going, but I don't know exactly what it will look like when I'm done. So sometimes I'll have a clear idea of what paper/s I want to use or how the finished page might look, but other times I need to go through all my supplies considering options before I know what direction the layout is going in.
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kitbop
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Post by kitbop on Mar 28, 2025 11:27:08 GMT
WOW. I did the "ball on the table" test just to check my feeling...and yup - I'm definitely a 4. I was working so hard to imaging what that ball would look like when it rolled, and then when they said "what colour was the ball" I was like, Huh? I can TELL myself what an apple looks like - and then I recreate it in my head, but it's so hard.
I've read of scrapbookers who "dream up layouts" or "have and idea" while they are driving/showering etc. I've never been able to do that. At all. I push paper around with my hands until it looks right on the table. I guess this is why.
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Post by mikklynn on Mar 28, 2025 13:31:56 GMT
I'm a 1, which does not surprise me. I often had to visualize in 3D from 2D drawings for my job as a project engineer. I was pretty good at drafting and sketching views for others.
I did a lot of sketching of piping layouts for our jobsite engineers. I'm weird, because it was fun!
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Post by artbabe on Mar 28, 2025 14:44:14 GMT
I can absolutely visualize objects but I don't really do that when scrapbooking and making art.
I never have a visual of what it is going to look like in the end. I just get an idea, start slapping things on, and let it evolve as I go. In the beginning I have no idea how it is going to turn out.
It works the same way when I am drawing and painting. I do not have a visual in my head of what the finished project is going to look like.
I find the students in my art classes that get the most frustrated are the ones that have that visual in their head but don't have the knowledge or skill to create it. They get frustrated when there is a mistake or deviation and can't seem to recover because it is not going to be the perfect image that is in their head. My mind doesn't work that way- accidently drop some paint in the wrong place? I just say "plot twist!" in my head and figure out how to work it into the finished piece.
But if you want me to visualize an apple? I can absolutely see it clearly in my head.
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Post by grammadee on Mar 28, 2025 15:08:35 GMT
A couple of things about my ability to visualize a scrapbooking project: I have no problem visualizing colours, and if I am in a store completely away from my stash and photos, I can usually pick out papers or extras that will match with the ones I have at home &/or the pic I want to scrap. The "apple test" in the article brought to mind a red delicious apple complete with shape, variations of colour, even an imagined injury spot. I have more trouble visualizing space. My mind tends to stretch and squash things together in ways that would never fit in reality.
I never have a visual of what it is going to look like in the end. I just get an idea, start slapping things on, and let it evolve as I go. In the beginning I have no idea how it is going to turn out. I am actually happier if I approach a project this way. Each step is a new discovery of what the next step should be. I love this process, keeping my options open right to the final little thing is glued down. I will sometimes even lift up a layer to insert another underneath it if the spirit moves me to do that. I really DO love "playing with paper".
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Post by caspad on Mar 28, 2025 21:30:58 GMT
I'm a 1. It explains why I was always so frustrated in art class as a kid. I visualize a Pixar 3D figure but can only draw a stick figure. As for scrapbooking, when I was scrapping 12x12, I'd sit in meetings at work and scrap in my head. I'd make some notes, go home, and make the layouts as I imagined. I got a lot of layouts done back then.
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Post by hoopsfn on Mar 28, 2025 23:55:06 GMT
Elsabelle, I can usually visualize pretty well. However I don't think I do it too much in scrapbooking. When I used to sew I could visualize what I wanted to make - the hard part was making that vision come true. grammadee, I'm jealous of your ability to remember and match colors. I have to have colors side by side to choose. wordyphotogbabe, so glad you're in a better situation now.
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Post by joblackford on Mar 29, 2025 2:45:45 GMT
Interesting question! I remember struggling with visualization exercises all the way back in elementary school. I have some ability to picture things but not to hold that image steady and unchanging or look around inside it. I’m more conceptual.
I think when I’m crafting I have some idea of what things will look like but I need to lay everything out and see it. I often forget to leave space for embellishment because I don’t imagine the card with the extra sparkles on it.
I’m in awe of people who can craft in their mind’s eye and then come home and create what they imagined.
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Post by gizzy on Mar 29, 2025 16:21:23 GMT
I'm a 3. I can see in my mind but it's not a vivid color, more muted.
I can plan layouts or decorating in my mind but I struggle with size. I'm always having to resize and recut on my silhouette.
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Post by dewryce on Apr 2, 2025 22:23:16 GMT
I am a total 1 on the scale. That apple has shine, tiny specks of white, & a textured stem.😄 I actually have more trouble getting images *out* of my head than in; I wonder if those with aphantasia find it easier to sleep than people with hyperphantasia? As far as crafting goes, I believe being “hyper” on the scale likely does help, as I’m able to know ahead of time what won’t work for scale/color/design and can quickly eliminate those possibilities. My spatial reasoning is strong, too, which has led to many comical disagreements with my hubby, because it almost always turns out that if I think it will fit, it will fit, regardless of any grumbles to the contrary. We are one, this is me spot on and I agree it does help with crafting. DH and I now even have a “rule” that if I say it will fit, he doesn’t argue just loads the car/whatever how I ask. There has been exactly one time in our 32 year relationship that I wasn’t able to make it fit. It’s rare that he truly questions me about it now, but he did it within the past couple of weeks…and made sheepish comments our entire trip when everything fit well exactly as I said it would, when I was describing it to him in our bedroom without the car or luggage and other items we wanted to take in front of me. 🤣
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Post by scrapnnana on Apr 3, 2025 2:53:03 GMT
If I am visualizing something that I am familiar with, such as an apple or orange, I’m a 1. For visualizing a layout, I would probably say that I am closer to a 2. My first ideas for a page, although I can visualize them, aren’t necessarily going to be the same when finished. I prepare all of my layout elements, place them as I first planned/pictured, then shift them around until I am thoroughly satisfied as to what will be the best arrangement. I don’t glue anything down until then because what I visualize first in my head may not be the best final result. Like artbabe, my layout evolves. I think that being able to picture an item that you are familiar with (such as an apple), and trying to visualize and create a layout may be two different applications of visualization.
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Post by 950nancy on Apr 3, 2025 3:40:42 GMT
I am hyper. I see images like photographs. Until a few years ago, I thought everyone did. When I think of friends or previous pets, I see them clearly.
I don't always have vision though. It can take me a minute to imagine a room redo.
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