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Post by gillyp on Apr 12, 2025 13:41:47 GMT
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Post by gar on Apr 12, 2025 13:54:43 GMT
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2025 14:01:47 GMT
I read that. It's horrific.
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Post by sueg on Apr 12, 2025 14:02:54 GMT
More and more, I am seeing no reason to change my mind about not traveling to the US for the foreseeable future.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2025 14:05:55 GMT
FF = cruelty
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Post by ntsf on Apr 12, 2025 14:37:33 GMT
my daughter in law from new zealand won't be coming here for over 4 yrs. and I don't blame her.
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Post by cakediva on Apr 12, 2025 14:40:53 GMT
But but but "They are only deporting the illegal criminals" - so says our resident MAGA pea.
Where is she now? HOW do any of them justify the crap going on???
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Post by gar on Apr 12, 2025 14:42:10 GMT
But but but "They are only deporting the illegal criminals" - so says our resident MAGA pea. Where is she now? HOW do any of them justify the crap going on??? I wonder if he’s not white. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2025 14:50:33 GMT
But but but "They are only deporting the illegal criminals" - so says our resident MAGA pea. Where is she now? HOW do any of them justify the crap going on??? I wonder if he’s not white. I'm guessing it's either that, or else he made some kind of pro-Palestine comment online. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 14:52:01 GMT
From my experience with students on visas... there usually is something more. Sometimes innocent sometimes not. This guy was on a work visa, type not specified, but the most common work visa has a 3 year expiration but can be extended for an additional 3 years. Since he had been in the US 5 years and still had a valid visa for 12 more months I will use the average H1 for information. This visa is for non citizens to work for US corporations. There is a different visa for non citizens to work in international corporations that have US branches. He also said he had exited and re=entered the US about 20 times during that 5 years. That means he leaves/returns on average every 3 months which for international travel is often and pricey. He also was making a quick turn around trip. If all of his trips were fast the optics of what he was doing is drug running. If the trips out of the US were longer then it raises questions if he is really working. Optics, what it looks like you are doing, rules. How many of you can afford the flights and take time off your job every three months to run to Australia for a week or week end? Your entry and exits from the US ARE tracked. A once a year trip to visit family for a week or two isn't going to raise flags. Same trip on a 3 month schedule is going to raise massive red flags. Add in other things people consider minor, like a speeding or unpaid parking ticket in either the US or Australia (in this case), and you can be denied entry. Databases of such things are shared between countries. Students found out shoplifting wouldn't get them kicked out of the US but would block them from re-entry. The agents were completely wrong on their demeanor towards him but I don't think we are getting a full story from him. Possibly because he doesn't understand the full story. The agents do not spend time trying to explain things to the travelers. They just issue a verdict about entry and move on. It will take a lawyer to do the digging to find out the real reason for the denial and get it changed. In short, if you enter the US don't expect to freely hop in and out. A visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return. And I know full well my name is on a few "no returns" for students because they didn't comply with the requirements of their visas before leaving the US and there was nothing I could do to help them. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 14:56:15 GMT
I wonder if he’s not white. I'm guessing it's either that, or else he made some kind of pro-Palestine comment online. I would go with pro-Palestine, anti Trump or some other political point of view. This is why people want burner phones when traveling internationally. If you don't give your passcode they can still hook your electronics up to a device that will read them anyway. |
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 12, 2025 15:09:13 GMT
From my experience with students on visas... there usually is something more. Sometimes innocent sometimes not. This guy was on a work visa, type not specified, but the most common work visa has a 3 year expiration but can be extended for an additional 3 years. Since he had been in the US 5 years and still had a valid visa for 12 more months I will use the average H1 for information. This visa is for non citizens to work for US corporations. There is a different visa for non citizens to work in international corporations that have US branches. He also said he had exited and re=entered the US about 20 times during that 5 years. That means he leaves/returns on average every 3 months which for international travel is often and pricey. He also was making a quick turn around trip. If all of his trips were fast the optics of what he was doing is drug running. If the trips out of the US were longer then it raises questions if he is really working. Optics, what it looks like you are doing, rules. How many of you can afford the flights and take time off your job every three months to run to Australia for a week or week end? Your entry and exits from the US ARE tracked. A once a year trip to visit family for a week or two isn't going to raise flags. Same trip on a 3 month schedule is going to raise massive red flags. Add in other things people consider minor, like a speeding or unpaid parking ticket in either the US or Australia (in this case), and you can be denied entry. Databases of such things are shared between countries. Students found out shoplifting wouldn't get them kicked out of the US but would block them from re-entry. The agents were completely wrong on their demeanor towards him but I don't think we are getting a full story from him. Possibly because he doesn't understand the full story. The agents do not spend time trying to explain things to the travelers. They just issue a verdict about entry and move on. It will take a lawyer to do the digging to find out the real reason for the denial and get it changed. In short, if you enter the US don't expect to freely hop in and out. A visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return. And I know full well my name is on a few "no returns" for students because they didn't comply with the requirements of their visas before leaving the US and there was nothing I could do to help them. Without going too much into it we’re having student visas revoked while people are here, who have not participated in protests, who have not violated the terms of their visas, who don’t have criminal activity, and for which we simply have non explanation. |
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Post by gillyp on Apr 12, 2025 15:13:15 GMT
Your explanation does make sense voltagain. He said he'd been living in the US for nearly 10 years so I don't see his trips in and out within that time to be suspicious but maybe they are. I have an English friend whose 2 sons have lived and worked in the US for over 5 years each. Each are married to American girls and each have children. They come and go from England a couple of times a year when they can but I don't know what the basis of their visas are. Your comment and the sentence in the piece "a visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return" is particularly sobering. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2025 15:29:35 GMT
From my experience with students on visas... there usually is something more. Sometimes innocent sometimes not. This guy was on a work visa, type not specified, but the most common work visa has a 3 year expiration but can be extended for an additional 3 years. Since he had been in the US 5 years and still had a valid visa for 12 more months I will use the average H1 for information. This visa is for non citizens to work for US corporations. There is a different visa for non citizens to work in international corporations that have US branches. He also said he had exited and re=entered the US about 20 times during that 5 years. That means he leaves/returns on average every 3 months which for international travel is often and pricey. He also was making a quick turn around trip. If all of his trips were fast the optics of what he was doing is drug running. If the trips out of the US were longer then it raises questions if he is really working. Optics, what it looks like you are doing, rules. How many of you can afford the flights and take time off your job every three months to run to Australia for a week or week end? Your entry and exits from the US ARE tracked. A once a year trip to visit family for a week or two isn't going to raise flags. Same trip on a 3 month schedule is going to raise massive red flags. Add in other things people consider minor, like a speeding or unpaid parking ticket in either the US or Australia (in this case), and you can be denied entry. Databases of such things are shared between countries. Students found out shoplifting wouldn't get them kicked out of the US but would block them from re-entry. The agents were completely wrong on their demeanor towards him but I don't think we are getting a full story from him. Possibly because he doesn't understand the full story. The agents do not spend time trying to explain things to the travelers. They just issue a verdict about entry and move on. It will take a lawyer to do the digging to find out the real reason for the denial and get it changed. In short, if you enter the US don't expect to freely hop in and out. A visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return. And I know full well my name is on a few "no returns" for students because they didn't comply with the requirements of their visas before leaving the US and there was nothing I could do to help them. Is there a hopping drug trade between the US and Australia that might reasonably lead officers to that conclusion? If so, I admit I had no idea. My thought with the frequent travel was that it was for work - legitimate work, whatever he was here on the visa for. |
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 12, 2025 15:51:23 GMT
International Peas - do NOT come to the United States. Tell your friends and family. I told one of my favorite authors the same thing. Stay out of this fucking shit hole.
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Post by mikklynn on Apr 12, 2025 15:58:49 GMT
More and more, I am seeing no reason to change my mind about not traveling to the US for the foreseeable future. I do not blame you! |
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Apr 12, 2025 16:13:16 GMT
voltagain said: This is also an interesting situation to consider
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 16:15:24 GMT
Your explanation does make sense voltagain . He said he'd been living in the US for nearly 10 years so I don't see his trips in and out within that time to be suspicious but maybe they are. I have an English friend whose 2 sons have lived and worked in the US for over 5 years each. Each are married to American girls and each have children. They come and go from England a couple of times a year when they can but I don't know what the basis of their visas are. Your comment and the sentence in the piece "a visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return" is particularly sobering. Being married to an American they likely hold a green card which is more secure than a visa. It is harder to get than a visa. But yes, anything less than citizen runs a risk of being problematic. My DIL is Japanese... ancestry and citizenship. She has her green card and my son works for the State Department but I always hold my breath when they travel to the US. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 16:23:44 GMT
Without going too much into it we’re having student visas revoked while people are here, who have not participated in protests, who have not violated the terms of their visas, who don’t have criminal activity, and for which we simply have non explanation. When revoking a student visa there has to be a reason listed on the revocation. The student may not understand why it was revoked and the news may not know why or may not want to report on why it was revoked but we the public are not owed an explanation about private affairs. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 16:28:13 GMT
From my experience with students on visas... there usually is something more. Sometimes innocent sometimes not. This guy was on a work visa, type not specified, but the most common work visa has a 3 year expiration but can be extended for an additional 3 years. Since he had been in the US 5 years and still had a valid visa for 12 more months I will use the average H1 for information. This visa is for non citizens to work for US corporations. There is a different visa for non citizens to work in international corporations that have US branches. He also said he had exited and re=entered the US about 20 times during that 5 years. That means he leaves/returns on average every 3 months which for international travel is often and pricey. He also was making a quick turn around trip. If all of his trips were fast the optics of what he was doing is drug running. If the trips out of the US were longer then it raises questions if he is really working. Optics, what it looks like you are doing, rules. How many of you can afford the flights and take time off your job every three months to run to Australia for a week or week end? Your entry and exits from the US ARE tracked. A once a year trip to visit family for a week or two isn't going to raise flags. Same trip on a 3 month schedule is going to raise massive red flags. Add in other things people consider minor, like a speeding or unpaid parking ticket in either the US or Australia (in this case), and you can be denied entry. Databases of such things are shared between countries. Students found out shoplifting wouldn't get them kicked out of the US but would block them from re-entry. The agents were completely wrong on their demeanor towards him but I don't think we are getting a full story from him. Possibly because he doesn't understand the full story. The agents do not spend time trying to explain things to the travelers. They just issue a verdict about entry and move on. It will take a lawyer to do the digging to find out the real reason for the denial and get it changed. In short, if you enter the US don't expect to freely hop in and out. A visa is no guarantee you will be allowed to return. And I know full well my name is on a few "no returns" for students because they didn't comply with the requirements of their visas before leaving the US and there was nothing I could do to help them. Is there a hopping drug trade between the US and Australia that might reasonably lead officers to that conclusion? If so, I admit I had no idea. My thought with the frequent travel was that it was for work - legitimate work, whatever he was here on the visa for. We are well aware of the central/south American drug cartels and drugs coming from China, Afghanistan etc but little awareness of how big a dealer the US is in the world wide drug trade. Not just as a consumer. Be careful of a white bias that two predominantly white nations can't be part of a global drug trade |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 16:46:51 GMT
Is there a hopping drug trade between the US and Australia that might reasonably lead officers to that conclusion? If so, I admit I had no idea. My thought with the frequent travel was that it was for work - legitimate work, whatever he was here on the visa for. There are several different types of work visas. If he is working on an H1 visa it is an American company and expected the work will be in the US. An L visa is for international companies with offices in the US.... workers on that visa are at an executive level and might well do a lot of travel between the US and headquarters without raising eyebrows. The article didn't specify which type other than "work" but there are several work visas with different expectations and allowances. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2025 16:51:47 GMT
Is there a hopping drug trade between the US and Australia that might reasonably lead officers to that conclusion? If so, I admit I had no idea. My thought with the frequent travel was that it was for work - legitimate work, whatever he was here on the visa for. We are well aware of the central/south American drug cartels and drugs coming from China, Afghanistan etc but little awareness of how big a dealer the US is in the world wide drug trade. Not just as a consumer. Be careful of a white bias that two predominantly white nations can't be part of a global drug trade It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. |
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Post by sueg on Apr 12, 2025 16:59:14 GMT
We are well aware of the central/south American drug cartels and drugs coming from China, Afghanistan etc but little awareness of how big a dealer the US is in the world wide drug trade. Not just as a consumer. Be careful of a white bias that two predominantly white nations can't be part of a global drug trade It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. And much closer to Australia to supply that market, like China and other SE Asian countries |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 17:02:57 GMT
We are well aware of the central/south American drug cartels and drugs coming from China, Afghanistan etc but little awareness of how big a dealer the US is in the world wide drug trade. Not just as a consumer. Be careful of a white bias that two predominantly white nations can't be part of a global drug trade It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. Why the assumption he was bringing drugs into the US? He could have been transporting drugs or cash into Australia. The US doesn't really screen outbound travelers, Australia isn't likely to be screening returning citizensI have no knowledge of what countries dominate the drug trafficking in Australia. But a business man going back and forth between the two on a frequent schedule for short duration trips can look like a drug/money mule. |
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Post by voltagain on Apr 12, 2025 17:05:00 GMT
It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. And much closer to Australia to supply that market, like China and other SE Asian countries Then travel regulations come into play. Sometimes a circuitous route is safer or more reliable than the known check points on the straightest path. |
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Post by Merge on Apr 12, 2025 17:06:13 GMT
It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. Why the assumption he was bringing drugs into the US? He could have been transporting drugs or cash into Australia. The US doesn't really screen outbound travelers, Australia isn't likely to be screening returning citizensI have no knowledge of what countries dominate the drug trafficking in Australia. But a business man going back and forth between the two on a frequent schedule for short duration trips can look like a drug/money mule. I think you’re looking for an argument I’m not going to have. Plenty of countries closer to Australia than the US to trade drugs with - that’s why the assumption, or, as I like to call it, the more logical conclusion. The distance barrier goes both ways. Thanks for your insights. |
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Post by sueg on Apr 12, 2025 17:21:14 GMT
It’s more the distance than the skin color. Having to transport the drugs halfway around the world would eat into profits for the dealers, and doesn’t make sense considering that there are countries much closer to the US to meet the demand here. Why the assumption he was bringing drugs into the US? He could have been transporting drugs or cash into Australia. The US doesn't really screen outbound travelers, Australia isn't likely to be screening returning citizensI have no knowledge of what countries dominate the drug trafficking in Australia. But a business man going back and forth between the two on a frequent schedule for short duration trips can look like a drug/money mule. As an Australian citizen who lives abroad and returns maybe once a year, I can assure you that Australia very much screens returning citizens. Australian customs and quarantine rules are up there with the most severe in the world and they screen everyone for everything. |
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Post by gillyp on Apr 12, 2025 17:35:56 GMT
The Mail too! I was in a journal swap or similar with someone in Australia and my item wasn’t allowed in. It might have contained seeds. I understand now but didn’t have a clue when I sent it.
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Post by MichyM on Apr 12, 2025 19:05:21 GMT
For me, with my little rose-colored glasses on, the first thing that came to mind for these trips was that they were to spend time with a medically fragile relative. Since he was carrying his sister's ashes with him when he arrived in the US this last time, I see that I'm not thinking totally off the wall.
I'm beyond angry for this guy, and anyone else deported without due cause. Our government, quite frankly, does not give a flying eff what they are doing to people's lives.
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Post by katybee on Apr 12, 2025 22:40:28 GMT
My SIL, who is not a citizen, is really freaked out right now— although she is a resident with a green card. She is going to apply for citizenship, but I wish she would have done so when Biden was in office. She is “brown” (Māori ) so she is especially rattled.
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