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Post by onelasttime on Apr 14, 2025 19:51:39 GMT
So trump didn’t like the SC ruling against him so he is just going to ignore their ruling. Let’s recap what trump has done since he took office. He is making decisions like creating DOGE without congressional over site and ignoring riling from the SC. I said this before and will say it again. trump is shoving this country into uncharted waters. I’m pretty sure this wasn’t what the Framers wanted when they formed the government. ”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” And trump has said he has no problem sending American “criminals” to foreign prisons. x.com/isaiahrmartin/status/1911832072315871736?s=61&t=j45uMgNk1i8O0YllKF58nw
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 14, 2025 19:55:46 GMT
This is utterly terrifying and the lack of a response from Congress is mind boggling
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 14, 2025 20:12:15 GMT
I feel like this is something that needs a strong reaction from Congress and the rest of us.
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Post by scrappinmama on Apr 14, 2025 20:17:12 GMT
The Supreme Court created this monster when they gave the president immunity. But why aren't the people under Trump being held in contempt of court?
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 14, 2025 20:23:43 GMT
Today he said that he wants El Salvador to make five more prisons so he can send citizens.
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Post by uksue on Apr 14, 2025 20:34:24 GMT
Didn't they basically give him total control and make him Teflon ? So no one is surprised.
I keep thinking about how his family live to a ripe old age. Oh boy!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 14, 2025 20:58:25 GMT
I feel like this is something that needs a strong reaction from Congress and the rest of us. I agree, but it's not gonna happen. (from Congress, anyway-- maybe Susan Collins will look concerned. eye roll.) The minute I read the thread title, my first thought was "of course he did; what else would we expect from him?" We have a dictator. congratulations.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2025 21:22:41 GMT
Anyone else think they're refusing to return Abrego Garcia because he's already dead?
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Post by breetheflea on Apr 14, 2025 21:24:32 GMT
Anyone else think they're refusing to return Abrego Garcia because he's already dead? Yes.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2025 21:27:07 GMT
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Post by peano on Apr 14, 2025 21:34:03 GMT
The Supreme Court has made itself irrelevant.
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Post by leftturnonly on Apr 14, 2025 21:49:02 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. 3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time.
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 14, 2025 22:07:37 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. 3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time. In what language does “facilitate” translate to “provide transportation? Nah comment on your cult leader saying he will send American citizens to El Salvador prisons?
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Post by ntsf on Apr 14, 2025 22:22:40 GMT
so they should arrest the people who picked him up.. and charge bondi with kidnapping..
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Post by MDscrapaholic on Apr 14, 2025 22:31:00 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. THERE IS NO pROOF THAT HE’S A TERRORIST. SHOW ME THE PROOF.3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. THEY WERE AFRAID TO SPEAK UP. HE IS HERE LEGALLY AND HAS A PERMIT TO WORK. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time. ITS AMAZING HOW YOU CAN TWIST ALL THIS AROUND TO FIT YOUR NARRATIVE. I’m SO TIRED OF ARGUING WITH PEOPLE WHO CANT BE BOTHERED TO CHECK FACTS BEFORE POSTING ON HERE.
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Post by peano on Apr 14, 2025 23:17:38 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. 3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time. Wrong. Prior to today, it was illegal to deport anyone regardless of immigration status without due process under the law. Now there are 2 standards of law. That for those in the Traitor’s regime (subject to change on a whim, as is the way in authoritarian regimes) and that for you (yes you) and me and every other poor schmuck in the country.
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Post by Merge on Apr 14, 2025 23:26:31 GMT
It’s weird to me that Trump’s own people said in court last week that Abrego Garcia was deported by mistake due to an administrative error, and now they want to claim that they had reason and evidence to do so (though they refused to share any such evidence with a judge as required by our own laws). At some point, they were lying. Was it in court to the judge or to the American people today?
Abrego Garcia has never been convicted of any crime, and despite what JD Vance said, no evidence has been presented that he is a gang member. He came to ICE's attention in 2019 during the first Trump administration and it was determined at that time that he could stay in the US, so apparently they didn't think he was a gang member then. He has checked in regularly with immigration as required, so he wasn't hiding from anyone. He holds a valid US work permit and a full time job. He pays taxes. If he's so dangerous, why didn't they detain and deport him when he checked in with ICE in 2020 or 2021?
Trump and co. are now trying to change the narrative to cover their mistake. They're lying. They're willing to let an innocent man be tortured and potentially killed because they can't admit they were wrong, and they also can't allow him to return and tell about what has happened to him. Or he's already dead and they can't allow that to come out. They even fired the lawyer who said in court that Abrego Garcia shouldn't have been deported, because anyone who tells the truth rather than propping up the preferred lie is unwelcome in this administration.
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Post by hopemax on Apr 14, 2025 23:31:25 GMT
The Supreme Court created this monster when they gave the president immunity. But why aren't the people under Trump being held in contempt of court? What I saw, and it makes some sense. The second a judge finds someone in contempt, the focus will be on that. It will stop being about the people in El Salvador or an ICE facility and how their rights are being violated. An escalation that will likely do more harm than good. But the expectation is that we’ll get their eventually. It just potentially works better if it’s after the whole “President is ignoring the Supreme Court.”
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 14, 2025 23:51:13 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. 3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time. I only read your first point. Because he was not legally deported. That is the reason for the Supreme Court decision. The DOJ even admitted they made an error.
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Post by lucyg on Apr 14, 2025 23:56:40 GMT
Sorry, leftturnonly, but that is 100% right wing gaslighting. It saddens me that you are buying into and repeating their lies. Abrego Garcia had a standing “do not deport” order. He has not been shown to be a criminal or a gang member. There was zero excuse for his being deported other than these people (ICE) feel they are above the law with Trump in charge. And of course Trump could get him back if he actually wanted to. All he has to do is snap his fingers and that tinpot dictator in El Salvador will jump to do his bidding. If the PM of Canada refused to return a mistaken deportee when requested, Trump would be threatening a full-fledged invasion by now.
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Post by katybee on Apr 15, 2025 0:15:04 GMT
”I WANT MORE PEOPLE TO KNOW DONALD TRUMP IS IGNORING A UNANIMOUS SUPREME COURT ORDER, THAT EVEN CLARENCE THOMAS AGREED WITH, TO RELEASE A MAN THE GOVERNMENT WRONGFULLY KIDNAPPED AND SENT TO A FOREIGN PRISON WITHOUT ANY EVIDENCE OF HIM COMMITTING A CRIME!” You behave as an ignorant fool. 1) The Supreme Court ruled that Trump administration must facilitate the return of an El Salvadoran citizen from El Salvador. Translation: IF El Salvador agrees to send an El Salvadoran citizen that was legally deported to El Salvador in agreement with the El Salvadoran government back to the US, we would provide transportation. 2) When asked directly if he planned to return Garcia, El Salvadoran president Bukele answered that what the press was suggesting was that he try to smuggle a known terrorist into the United States. 3) Stephen Miller, political advisor, already explained this to the press. When asked directly: No one in the press denied that Garcia is an El Salvadoran citizen. No one in the press denied that Garcia was in the US illegally. Nor did anyone speak up when Miller asked them if anyone there knew the difference between a withholding and a deportation order. Garcia is an El Salvadoran illegal alien in the US who was deported back to El Salvador. No one in the press had an answer where else an El Salvadoran citizen should be deported back to. 4) An Immigration Judge, subject to Article 2, some time ago found that Garcia was not to be deported to El Salvador based on a threat by a rival El Salvadoran gang that no longer exists. Garcia was deported back to El Salvador under Article 3 under a deportation order. Garcia's legal status was an illegal alien who had been ordered deported. 5) In the presser with President Bukele, President Trump, members of the administration and the press, Attorney General Pam Bondi stated that Garcia was in the US illegally and had been here illegally. In 2019, two courts, an Immigration Court and an Appellate Immigration Court ruled that he was a member of MS 13 illegally in our country. It's not up to us, it's international foreign affairs. If El Salvador wants to return Garcia, according to the Supreme Court ruling, we would facilitate it, meaning we would provide a plane. 6) Because there are legal orders for Garcia's deportation from the US, if he was to be brought back to the US, the US is legally obligated to immediately deport him from the country. There is no legal avenue for him to be in the US at this time. Wow. I remember when you used to make rational arguments. Arguments that I disagreed with, but rational. Why are you so willing to let him trample all over the constitution and rule of law? What would he have to do to make you question him?
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Post by katybee on Apr 15, 2025 0:16:31 GMT
I think congress will start saying something when he starts “deporting” his political adversaries to foreign prisons.
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Post by epeanymous on Apr 15, 2025 0:16:50 GMT
Anyone else think they're refusing to return Abrego Garcia because he's already dead? I don’t know if he is dead. The administration claims he isn’t, but they did fire a DOJ attorney last week who made accurate but unfavorable representations before the court, so unfortunately the word of the government is not trustworthy. Assuming he is alive, they don’t want to bring him back for two reasons. One, they don’t want him to be able to tell his story or the story of anyone else locked up in that prison, or to describe the prison conditions. Two, part of the point of doing this is to terrorize everyone and show that anyone could be disappeared.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 15, 2025 2:06:53 GMT
Excellent point. Also terrifying. www.nytimes.com/live/2025/04/14/us/trump-news-tariffsStephen Vladeck, a law professor at Georgetown University, said the idea that “the government can disappear people to a foreign country with no due process and no responsibility for what happens next” amounted to “a rule-of-law crisis.”
“If the government can do it to Abrego Garcia, they can do it to anybody,” Mr. Vladeck said.
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-13-2025
Make no mistake: as Supreme Court Justices Sonia Sotomayor, Elena Kagan, and Ketanji Brown Jackson recently warned, if the administration can take noncitizens off the streets, render them to prison in another country, and then claim it is helpless to correct the error either because the person is out of reach of U.S. jurisdiction, it could do the same thing to citizens.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 15, 2025 2:18:51 GMT
The administration is trying to redefine what it means to be a criminal bsky.app/profile/asharangappa.bsky.social/post/3lmsqyemzzs25 Asha Rangappa @asharangappa.bsky.social
Criminals deserve due process because due process is literally how we determine whether someone is, *in fact*, a criminal
heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-13-2025
Let’s be very clear about exactly what’s happening here: President Donald J. Trump is claiming the power to ignore the due process of the law guaranteed by the U.S. Constitution, declare someone is a criminal, kidnap them, send them to prison in a third country, and then claim that there is no way to get that person back.
All people in the United States are entitled to due process, but Trump and his officers have tried to convince Americans that noncitizens are not. They have also pushed the idea that those they are offshoring are criminals, but a Bloomberg investigation showed that of the 238 men sent to CECOT in the first group, only five of them had been charged with or convicted of felony assault or gun violations. Three had been charged with misdemeanors like petty theft. Two were charged with human smuggling. In any case, in the U.S., criminals are entitled to due process.
Here’s the thing: Once you give up the idea that we are all equal before the law and have the right to due process, you have given up the whole game. You have admitted the principle that some people have more rights than others. Once you have replaced the principle of equality before the law with the idea that some people have no rights, you have granted your approval to the idea of an authoritarian government. At that point, all you can do is to hope that the dictator and his henchmen overlook you.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 15, 2025 2:31:57 GMT
At the same time Trump is trying to redefine immigrants and people that disagree with his as criminals, his administration is more narrowly defining white collar crime and fraud. Apparently, the right kind of crime is OK www.axios.com/2025/04/13/trump-redefines-fraud-corruptionBruised by years of civil suits, criminal charges and a historic felony fraud conviction, President Trump is using his second term to delegitimize the very concept of white-collar crime.
Why it matters: Trump's belief that he was a victim of "lawfare" has tainted his view of the justice system. Paired with his crusade to crush the "Deep State" regulatory complex, Trump could enable a golden age of financial fraud, ethics watchdogs fear.
The big picture: At an institutional level, Trump's administration has moved swiftly in its first 80 days to narrow the government's mandate for enforcing fraud.
In early February, Trump and Elon Musk's DOGE team effectively shut down the Consumer Financial Protection Bureau, the post-recession agency created to protect Americans from predatory financial practices.
Trump then paused enforcement of the Foreign Corrupt Practices Act, claiming the 1977 anti-bribery statute had been "stretched beyond proper bounds" and was hurting U.S. companies' ability to compete overseas.
In March, Trump fired two Democrats from the Federal Trade Commission, taking aim at one of the government's top watchdogs for corporate fraud, consumer deception and antitrust violations.
By the numbers: The administration has paused, dropped or withdrawn enforcement actions against at least 100 corporations accused of misconduct, according to the progressive watchdog group Public Citizen.
Zoom in: On an individual level, Trump has used his clemency powers and influence to rehabilitate disgraced businessmen and politicians — turning fraud convictions and indictments into badges of loyalty.
The bottom line: For Trump, the concept of "fraud" has become less a legal violation than a political label — one he applies freely to his enemies and erases for his allies.
As part of Elon Musk's campaign to cut government spending, he and Trump repeatedly have claimed, without evidence, that Democrats are profiting from the alleged "fraud" uncovered by DOGE.
For years, Trump also has insisted, again without evidence, that voter fraud is rampant. This week he ordered an investigation into former U.S. cybersecurity chief Chris Krebs for stating the 2020 election was secure. "He's the fraud." Trump declared. "He's a disgrace."
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Post by ntsf on Apr 15, 2025 2:39:25 GMT
our declaration of independence was a list of grievances against king george.. one of them was taking people out of the colonies off to england for "justice".. the rights in constitution are to protect due process for every single person.. we are acting like nazis... are new concentration camps next? maybe they are already here.. in ice detention.
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Post by aj2hall on Apr 15, 2025 11:22:44 GMT
She has a couple of great points about this disaster. heathercoxrichardson.substack.com/p/april-14-2025As NPR’s Steven Inskeep put it: “If I understand this correctly, the US president has launched a trade war against the world, believes he can force the EU and China to meet his terms, is determined to annex Canada and Greenland, but is powerless before the sovereign might of El Salvador. Is that it?”
As Adam Serwer wrote today in The Atlantic, The “rhetorical game the administration is playing, where it pretends it lacks the power to ask for Abrego Garcia to be returned while Bukele pretends he doesn’t have the power to return him, is an expression of obvious contempt for the Supreme Court—and for the rule of law.”
Serwer notes that if the administration actually thought there was enough evidence to convict these men, it could have let the U.S. legal process play out. But Geidner of Law Dork noted that Trump’s declaration this morning that he wanted to deport “homegrown criminals” suggests that the plan all along has been to be able to get rid of U.S. citizens by creating a “Schroedinger’s box” where anyone can be sent but where once they are there the U.S. cannot get them back because they are “in the custody of a foreign sovereign.”
“If they can get Abrego Garcia out of the box,” Geidner writes, “the plan does not work.”
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 15, 2025 13:18:20 GMT
You behave as an ignorant fool. Perhaps you could then explain Trump's comment about "building 5 more facilities" like that one and/or "sending homegrowns" to El Salvador? However, we both know you just post to rile people and then disappear. I would like to quote you from a post in March 2025 though, where you said which would be exactly what is happening to people like former pardon attorney, Elizabeth G. Oyer. Not only did she get fired for whatever reason the Administration would like to come up with, she was then sent a cease and desist letter and special deputy U.S. marshals were sent to her home. The "Freedom Trump" crowd don't seem to care about the freedom of everyone, just specific and "special" people. The Constitution does not dictate that one person or group is "special".
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 15, 2025 14:22:00 GMT
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