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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 22, 2025 13:59:47 GMT
A few months ago my mom told me that Republicans in Iowa were trying to ban and criminalize mRNA vaccines. Last night I saw that Minnesota Republicans have also proposed this. I was just looking into why they are against the technology as a whole (not just the conspiracy theories about the Covid vaccine) and didn't find much. But it sounds like they are interested in doing this on a national level as well, despite it going against some of Trump's policies (and the fact that the Covid vaccine was rushed by Trump). So, what is your understanding of what this is about? abcnews.go.com/Health/mrna-vaccines-now-face-attacks-gop/story?id=119553285
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Post by crazy4scraps on Apr 22, 2025 14:32:19 GMT
Probably because they are luddites who don’t believe in science. But more likely because they have millions invested in methods and systems that only treat symptoms endlessly instead of cures for the diseases that plague us.
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Post by katlady on Apr 22, 2025 14:33:22 GMT
My understanding is that this is fueled by misinformation and fear. The covid vaccine gave mRNA a bad reputation. Many people believe that more people died from the covid vaccine than from COVID itself. They believe many of the heart problems of young kids are related to the covid vaccine. They also think that mRNA alters your DNA.
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Post by Merge on Apr 22, 2025 14:43:22 GMT
They are free to refuse mRNA-based cancer treatments then, I guess.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 22, 2025 15:16:58 GMT
They are free to refuse mRNA-based cancer treatments then, I guess. If they were only trying to limit this technology for themselves, that would be one thing. But they are trying to make it illegal altogether and for people who administer mRNA based treatments or vaccines to be punished criminally. I tend to think it is as katlady said--based on misinformation and fear. But wasn't sure what exactly they are afraid of. The idea that it changes your DNA is probably it.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 22, 2025 15:20:37 GMT
What katlady said plus a good dosage of stupidity at its finest.
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Post by malibou on Apr 22, 2025 15:41:16 GMT
This totally pisses me off. Back in the early 90s I was a science geek at Berkeley. The lab I worked in was working on mRNA vaccines. And we could already see that it was working. There is ample info about this. My guess is they are too stupid to understand it, so it must be bad.
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Post by littlemama on Apr 22, 2025 15:46:16 GMT
Because they think that cheeto is more intelligent than people who have studied science and performed research for decades.
They are free to decline mRNA treatments if they so choose, but they should not be legislating without actual hard evidence that there is something wrong with this techbology that was developed long ago.
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Post by sueg on Apr 22, 2025 15:55:11 GMT
I think as katlady said - they don’t understand it and all the Covid conspiracy theories have demonised it beyond repair for them. If it was just that they refused to use mRNA treatments, it would be sad for them. Trying to ban it is tragic as it is showing so much promise in so many areas, not just vaccines. At least mRNA technology research is still happening in other countries in the world, so there is hope that all the advances won’t be lost.
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Post by monklady123 on Apr 22, 2025 15:56:43 GMT
What katlady said plus a good dosage of stupidity at its finest. This is the real answer. With heavy emphasis on the "dosage of stupidity". 
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Post by littlemama on Apr 22, 2025 16:02:33 GMT
My understanding is that this is fueled by misinformation and fear. The covid vaccine gave mRNA a bad reputation. Many people believe that more people died from the covid vaccine than from COVID itself. They believe many of the heart problems of young kids are related to the covid vaccine. They also think that mRNA alters your DNA. The covid vaccine did not give mRNA a bad reputation. Conspiracy theorists starting rumors based on nothing are the ones who spread fear among people susceptible to believing conspiracy theories
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Post by Zee on Apr 22, 2025 16:24:51 GMT
Because MAGA Fox News-"educated" voters are fearful of it and this "looks like" the Republicans are looking out for them. It's just catering to a suspicious uneducated audience.
If they could show definitely that the technology can save Meemaw from her cancer, that would be different. The whole clan would clamor for it. But they're also scared of Big Pharma, Big Medicine, Big Research, and everything that's not Big Business run by Big Billionaires, apparently.
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Post by Laurie on Apr 22, 2025 16:46:26 GMT
I remember back on the old board the majority of the peas were strongly against the hpv vaccine as well. I do have to admit I was shocked when I saw some of the peas against that being okay with the mRNA covid vax. The whole argument against the hpv was because it was too new and not tested enough.
As for me I am not against it but I am cautiously skeptical if that makes sense. Now before everyone jumps to the conclusion that I am an anti-vaxxer that is not true. My girls have received all their vaccines, including the hpv. They have never been a question to me. However, I am cautious as to what I put in my body and my daughters. I don't rush to a dr for an rx as I first try home remedies. Not because I doubt science but because I am afraid of the concerns about people building up immunities to antibiotics. CNN has probably given me an irrational fear about the superbug. LOL I trust the science but I also like things proved out more than what most people feel necessary. Does that mean I flat out will refuse it? Nope. If my doctor told me that the best option for me involves mRNA technology then I would take it. Just because I don't fully trust it doesn't mean I am MAGA or fucking stupid.
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Post by pilcas on Apr 22, 2025 16:53:36 GMT
I watched an old British show called the Indian Doctor. It took place in an English village around the 60s I’m guessing. There was an epidemic, don’t remember what disease but they were trying to get people vaccinated and everyone had the same distrust and fear and arguments as with the covid vax. The show was made around the 2010 way before covid.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 22, 2025 16:53:51 GMT
As for me I am not against it but I am cautiously skeptical if that makes sense. Now before everyone jumps to the conclusion that I am an anti-vaxxer that is not true. My girls have received all their vaccines, including the hpv. They have never been a question to me. However, I am cautious as to what I put in my body and my daughters. I don't rush to a dr for an rx as I first try home remedies. Not because I doubt science but because I am afraid of the concerns about people building up immunities to antibiotics. CNN has probably given me an irrational fear about the superbug. LOL I trust the science but I also like things proved out more than what most people feel necessary. Does that mean I flat out will refuse it? Nope. If my doctor told me that the best option for me involves mRNA technology then I would take it. Just because I don't fully trust it doesn't mean I am MAGA or fucking stupid. This is also me, but I think the only reason this would be a "you're fucking stupid" thing is if you were blindly following what somebody said. ie: eating Tide Pods or horse manure. Before CV, there were always times people would show up with their anti-vax shit and they were laughed at and kicked out of the building. When CV hit and people started building conspiracy theories and making science the enemy? It started to snowball. Which is why we have Measles, bird flu, and whoeverthefuckelseknows because science has become the enemy.
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Post by mollycoddle on Apr 22, 2025 17:06:43 GMT
Probably because they are luddites who don’t believe in science. But more likely because they have millions invested in methods and systems that only treat symptoms endlessly instead of cures for the diseases that plague us. I think that ir is both; the first one for Fox viewers, and the second for conservative business people and Rs in Congress. And this is why I hate these people. They could just shut their pie holes and avoid the vaccines. But instead they feel a need to control the rest of us. They are pathetic.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Apr 22, 2025 17:17:47 GMT
Probably because they are luddites who don’t believe in science. But more likely because they have millions invested in methods and systems that only treat symptoms endlessly instead of cures for the diseases that plague us. I think that ir is both; the first one for Fox viewers, and the second for conservative business people and Rs in Congress. And this is why I hate these people. They could just shut their pie holes and avoid the vaccines. But instead they feel a need to control the rest of us. They are pathetic. Agreed. They could also take the initiative to learn about the science and assuage any fears they may have. But they decide to demonize it instead.
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Post by busy on Apr 22, 2025 17:48:20 GMT
Before CV, there were always times people would show up with their anti-vax shit and they were laughed at and kicked out of the building. When CV hit and people started building conspiracy theories and making science the enemy? It started to snowball. Which is why we have Measles, bird flu, and whoeverthefuckelseknows because science has become the enemy. I think the modern anti-vax movement really gained steam in the early 2000s with the now-disproven MMR<>autism link research. The original Wakefield study was published in 1998 and not retracted until 2010. My son was born in 2008 and there was LOTS of talk in the TTC, infertility, pregnancy and new mom communities about not vaccinating or delaying/spreading out vaccines at that time. And those weren't fringe nutjobs, they were more or less normal women, probably skewing white and relatively affluent. But as we all know (and valid studies have shown!), once people hear something and accept it as truth, it's VERY VERY difficult for a lot of people to change their minds. No matter how many times it's shared that there is no link between MMR and autism and that study was critically flawed and its conclusions not true... many people still believe it. The anti-science discourse of the right makes it worse, and the fact that most people don't have any experience with vaccine-preventable diseases (BECAUSE VACCINES WORK) so don't find them scary enough to take steps to prevent... it all combines into a perfect storm for public health disasters.
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Post by Zee on Apr 22, 2025 18:04:36 GMT
I remember back on the old board the majority of the peas were strongly against the hpv vaccine as well. I do have to admit I was shocked when I saw some of the peas against that being okay with the mRNA covid vax. The whole argument against the hpv was because it was too new and not tested enough. As for me I am not against it but I am cautiously skeptical if that makes sense. Now before everyone jumps to the conclusion that I am an anti-vaxxer that is not true. My girls have received all their vaccines, including the hpv. They have never been a question to me. However, I am cautious as to what I put in my body and my daughters. I don't rush to a dr for an rx as I first try home remedies. Not because I doubt science but because I am afraid of the concerns about people building up immunities to antibiotics. CNN has probably given me an irrational fear about the superbug. LOL I trust the science but I also like things proved out more than what most people feel necessary. Does that mean I flat out will refuse it? Nope. If my doctor told me that the best option for me involves mRNA technology then I would take it. Just because I don't fully trust it doesn't mean I am MAGA or fucking stupid. Fully agree with all you said. I initially was skeptical of the covid vaccine and how fast it seemed to be rolled out and mandated (for me). But what I'm referring to is legislation banning it, proposed by Republicans, who probably DO get vaccines but they are pandering to the MAGAt voters who are keeping them in power.
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 22, 2025 18:16:41 GMT
I remember back on the old board the majority of the peas were strongly against the hpv vaccine as well. I do have to admit I was shocked when I saw some of the peas against that being okay with the mRNA covid vax. The whole argument against the hpv was because it was too new and not tested enough. As for me I am not against it but I am cautiously skeptical if that makes sense. Now before everyone jumps to the conclusion that I am an anti-vaxxer that is not true. My girls have received all their vaccines, including the hpv. They have never been a question to me. However, I am cautious as to what I put in my body and my daughters. I don't rush to a dr for an rx as I first try home remedies. Not because I doubt science but because I am afraid of the concerns about people building up immunities to antibiotics. CNN has probably given me an irrational fear about the superbug. LOL I trust the science but I also like things proved out more than what most people feel necessary. Does that mean I flat out will refuse it? Nope. If my doctor told me that the best option for me involves mRNA technology then I would take it. Just because I don't fully trust it doesn't mean I am MAGA or fucking stupid. Stupid is a harsh word. But there is some ignorance in the fear around the HPV and the mRNA vaccines. People think that because they were just hearing about with the Covid vaccines, that means it’s new technology that hasn’t been studied enough. It’s been in the works in one form or another since the 1960s. It isn’t new. It has been studied enough. But we have a faction in this country that has done an excellent job casting doubt on the experts. I can’t understand why vaccines get the brunt of the distrust. But a new weight loss med comes out and everyone wants it. I didn’t hear anyone complaining that vaping was too new. People are influenced to doubt the wrong things.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 22, 2025 18:42:00 GMT
I can’t understand why vaccines get the brunt of the distrust. But a new weight loss med comes out and everyone wants it. I didn’t hear anyone complaining that vaping was too new. People are influenced to doubt the wrong things. I think the weight loss and vaping are taken to so quickly because they are deemed "healthier". One because you're not "using cigarettes" and the other because "thin is always healthier". However, your point was well made and I will try to remember it.
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Post by alsomsknit on Apr 23, 2025 1:18:38 GMT
I’m exhibit A of Laurie’s first paragraph.
The HPV vax was fresh out when my kid became eligible. As someone who trusted doctor’s and the meds they prescribed, I was in questioning mode because I had been harmed by one of their meds that would help…endometriosis/Lupron. It wasn’t until 12 years after it was given to me that Fibromyalgia hit the side effects list for this med. What I remember is the media pushing the HPV vax. People saying you didn’t care about your child’s welfare if you opted out of the vax. My kid was vaxed on time for every one of the childhood vaccines. Vax that had years and decades of track record. I had no desire for my kid to be used as a guinea pig for the HPV vax. At this point, this vax is being offered to people up to 45 years old.
As for the COVID vax, I remember the science being explained. It was made clear how long the mRNA had been studied. It wasn’t new science, the strain being protected against was new. Jay was old enough to decide if he would take the C19 vax. We did discuss it. People were dying. I am immune compromised. We had to worry about Mom and Dad. So, we all got the vax. Jay also took the flu vax for a few years during that period of time.
Maybe the science of the HPV was discussed. I can’t remember ever hearing it. I was taught to trust doctors to my detriment. Unfortunately, I had little reason to trust the PCP Jay was seeing at the time, since that relationship was new. The HPV vax wasn’t a never. It was a not at this time.
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Post by gizzy on Apr 23, 2025 14:23:49 GMT
For the republicans in my family, they started to distrust the scientific community during covid so now everything they advise us to do is suspect. It doesn't matter if they were shown the research for the mrna platform, they still wouldn't trust it.
Then you add in all the $ being spent to advertise and amplify false information and fear. It feels, to me, like we're at the top of a broken rollercoaster and we're about do descend.
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Post by Laurie on Apr 23, 2025 14:29:09 GMT
I can’t understand why vaccines get the brunt of the distrust. But a new weight loss med comes out and everyone wants it. I didn’t hear anyone complaining that vaping was too new. People are influenced to doubt the wrong things. I think the weight loss and vaping are taken to so quickly because they are deemed "healthier". One because you're not "using cigarettes" and the other because "thin is always healthier". However, your point was well made and I will try to remember it. It drives me crazy hearing someone say at least I'm not/they aren't smoking cigarettes. That makes as much sense as saying that someone doing cocaine is okay because at least its not heroin.
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Post by dawnnikol on Apr 23, 2025 15:06:26 GMT
It drives me crazy hearing someone say at least I'm not/they aren't smoking cigarettes. That makes as much sense as saying that someone doing cocaine is okay because at least its not heroin. 100% I get irrationally angry when there are "no smoking" signs posted and they're still sucking on those plastic pieces of crap. Especially when it's a place like a public pool or restaurant.
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Post by amom23 on Apr 23, 2025 15:17:13 GMT
I remember when the chicken pox vaccine came out. Myself and all my friends jumped on the bandwagon and got our kids vaccinated. I know none of us did any research. We just had blind faith that it was safe. Fastforward a few decades and all those women have jumped on the weight loss medication train without batting an eye. But bring up Covid and oh my gosh was that ever a hoax and the vaccine will kill you. 
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