dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on May 15, 2025 15:27:03 GMT
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Post by alsomsknit on May 15, 2025 15:33:38 GMT
Women are only incubators.
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Post by valincal on May 15, 2025 15:35:34 GMT
Sad and horrifying. 😔
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Post by Zee on May 15, 2025 15:49:38 GMT
Just read this yesterday. I have no words.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 16:02:11 GMT
Appalling. But unsurprising here in Gilead.
I was assured here just the other day that these kinds of stories had been "debunked." I hope all who support these ghouls are happy with what they've done. |
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Post by epeanymous on May 15, 2025 16:04:24 GMT
I can’t imagine what her family is going through.
I want to point out we wouldn’t force a family to keep a brain-dead loved on on life support against the brain-dead patient’s wishes so that her organs could be transplanted into people who are already born and will die without them. This is really specific to treating women as fetus incubators.
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Post by huskergal on May 15, 2025 16:05:13 GMT
This regime cannot end soon enough. I want a woman in charge that bans any medical treatment for ED.
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2025 16:09:28 GMT
I saw this yesterday and the comments attached was unthinkable and horrible. "just adopt it out" etc etc. I can't imagine the pain the family is having to bear.
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Post by melanell on May 15, 2025 16:11:55 GMT
I saw this yesterday and the comments attached was unthinkable and horrible. "just adopt it out" etc etc. I can't imagine the pain the family is having to bear. Incredible insensitivity aside, are the commenters stepping up to foster or adopt a medically fragile child, then? |
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dawnnikol
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Post by dawnnikol on May 15, 2025 16:15:01 GMT
I want to point out we wouldn’t force a family to keep a brain-dead loved on on life support against the brain-dead patient’s wishes so that her organs could be transplanted into people who are already born and will die without them. This is really specific to treating women as fetus incubators. Exactly. I had the conversation with my DD when she went to get her driving permit and she had to AGREE or DISAGREE to be an organ donor. "just adopt it out" etc etc. I can't imagine the pain the family is having to bear. "Adopt it out" fails because how many kids are currently in our system AND this child could have any number of disabilities that will require additional assistance. The pain, trauma, and medical debt? It is unconscionable to put anyone through this. |
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 16:22:17 GMT
I want to point out we wouldn’t force a family to keep a brain-dead loved on on life support against the brain-dead patient’s wishes so that her organs could be transplanted into people who are already born and will die without them. This is really specific to treating women as fetus incubators. Exactly. I had the conversation with my DD when she went to get her driving permit and she had to AGREE or DISAGREE to be an organ donor. "just adopt it out" etc etc. I can't imagine the pain the family is having to bear. "Adopt it out" fails because how many kids are currently in our system AND this child could have any number of disabilities that will require additional assistance. The pain, trauma, and medical debt? It is unconscionable to put anyone through this. Yes - this is particularly horrific in a country without universal healthcare. |
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2025 16:25:36 GMT
I saw this yesterday and the comments attached was unthinkable and horrible. "just adopt it out" etc etc. I can't imagine the pain the family is having to bear. Incredible insensitivity aside, are the commenters stepping up to foster or adopt a medically fragile child, then? Well, of course not. They just want to give their opinion of the workaround. Do they ever step up to foster? And know if there is anger in my statement, it is not directed at you. But to the "saviors" of the world but they don't do jack dilly to help. |
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Post by littlemama on May 15, 2025 16:27:27 GMT
1. I take issue with the author referring to people as "pro-abortion". No one is pro-abortion. We are in favor of women having the same rights as men to determine all medical care with their doctors.
2. This is revolting. There was a case several years back where a family refused to remove life support for a brain dead child and that child was decomposing on life support.
3. This sounds terrible, but I hope the fetus does not survive so this family can lay their family member to rest with some sort of dignity.
4. The state should assume all costs of care from the first moment the health care providers were prevented from providing proper, ethical care.
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2025 16:29:05 GMT
"Adopt it out" fails because how many kids are currently in our system AND this child could have any number of disabilities that will require additional assistance. The pain, trauma, and medical debt? It is unconscionable to put anyone through this There was a lot of pushback on the adoption statement. First, all the kids of a certain color that are in the system and not being adopted. People only want yte babies. Second, a couple here and there did mention the medical issues that could be present and make this baby unadoptable by most looking. This has been my argument against those that shout adoption- Are you fostering or adopting? "Well, I am too old. Oh no, I have had my babies." and on and on. Then STFU and let women make up their own minds. |
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Post by Chips on May 15, 2025 16:36:44 GMT
I am wondering - Is her insurance company willing to pay for this or did they deny treatment? The below quote speaks to Medicaid currently not being enough: Statement from Monica Simpson, executive director, SisterSong Women of Color Reproductive Justice Collective: This ban is rooted in white supremacy and intensifies an already dire situation in Georgia, where Black women are more than twice as likely to die from pregnancy complications compared to white women, largely due to the absence of Medicaid expansion, a shortage of OBGYNs and a healthcare system rife with inequities since its founding. Despite all evidence that this ban is killing us, the Court sided with those more interested in limiting our access to care than seeing us live and thrive. The right to bodily autonomy transcends partisanship; it’s a human right that every Georgian deserves.www.aclu.org/press-releases/georgia-supreme-court-reinstates-six-week-abortion-banWhat happens when the Repubs in vote for the cut Medicaid - President Donald Trump’s “big, beautiful bill,” at least $880 billion in cuts largely to Medicaid to help cover the cost of $4.5 trillion in tax breaks.
www.pbs.org/newshour/politics/house-republicans-have-unveiled-proposed-medicaid-cuts-democrats-say-millions-will-lose-coverageWhere do these women go for health care? We know currently there is not enough support/coverage and very soon there will be much less. |
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Post by pilcas on May 15, 2025 16:52:59 GMT
I hope the family doesn’t get hit with a massive hospital bill.
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 16:56:06 GMT
I hope the family doesn’t get hit with a massive hospital bill. Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to pay. I'm guessing it won't be the Republican legislators in GA who brought this about. |
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Post by pantsonfire on May 15, 2025 17:04:06 GMT
I hope the family doesn’t get hit with a massive hospital bill. Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to pay. I'm guessing it won't be the Republican legislators in GA who brought this about. Pro lifers are really pro birth. After that, they want notig to do with the baby and family. can't afford a home? Whatever. Can't afford food and medical care? Oh well. Can't afford schooling? Not their problem. As long as a live baby is born, they feel good. After that, they don't give a fuck. |
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 17:15:31 GMT
Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to pay. I'm guessing it won't be the Republican legislators in GA who brought this about. Pro lifers are nearly pro birth. After that, they want notig to do with the baby and family. can't afford a home? Whatever. Can't afford food and medical care? Oh well. Can't afford schooling? Not their problem. As long as a live baby is born, they feel good. After that, they don't give a fuck. A fun comment I read online recently: "Access to healthcare is a lifestyle intended for people who can afford it." That's a direct quote. I've never read anything so sad, or so American. |
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Post by katlady on May 15, 2025 17:29:57 GMT
I saw one comment that sort of made sense to me.
One person said they would not pull the plug because they would leave it up to God to decide the baby's fate.
Someone responded, pulling the plug is leaving it up to God.
I feel sorry for the woman's family. They are dealing with the death of the daughter, the cost to keep her alive, and now have to think about a grandson that may have severe disabilities when born.
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Post by Tearisci on May 15, 2025 17:43:55 GMT
Just awful.
I'm reading a 'dystopian' book now that takes place in the year 2047. Fertile women are forced to have babies because the population has been decimated by pandemics (kind of like the Handmaid's Tale).
All I can think about is the "domestic supply of infants."
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Post by DEX on May 15, 2025 18:02:02 GMT
This has been my argument against those that shout adoption- Are you fostering or adopting? "Well, I am too old. Oh no, I have had my babies." and on and on. Then STFU and let women make up their own minds. OR another answer is: "I have a penis and am able to make decisions on women's heath care". |
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Post by dawnnikol on May 15, 2025 18:06:22 GMT
Well, of course not. They just want to give their opinion of the workaround. Do they ever step up to foster? And know if there is anger in my statement, it is not directed at you. But to the "saviors" of the world but they don't do jack dilly to help. The rage is real. The US needs it's own 4B movement, based on this map it could be pretty damn successful. Then again, "Trad Wife" was the top "kink" on PornHub, so there's that. |
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Post by peatlejuice on May 15, 2025 18:10:52 GMT
One of the most common arguments I see from the pro-birth side is that they view abortion as subverting God's will. In this case, the woman died long before viability. So, by forcing this woman to be "alive" for an additional 21 weeks, aren't they, in fact, being the ones to subvert God's will?
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Post by mollycoddle on May 15, 2025 18:29:09 GMT
This is disgusting. 😡
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Post by Merge on May 15, 2025 18:38:55 GMT
A note to those who will inevitably claim that the GA law requires no such thing as what is happening to this woman, and the doctors are at fault: The "heartbeat laws" in red states have been written from a religious point of view, without any input from science or medicine. As a result, they are incredibly vague and lack any specific medical criteria for when a pregnancy can be ended. Even if they contained such criteria, it is not possible for any law to encompass every possible medical situation that may arise during pregnancy. Both the hospitals' doctors and lawyers have come to realize that their state representatives are acting from a place of religious zealotry. They are not acting in good faith. When they claim that an abortion can be done when there is a "reasonable chance" of harm to the woman, they leave a lot of space between what a medical professional considers reasonable and a religious person considers reasonable. As a result, both doctors and the hospital's lawyers are incredibly wary of becoming some activist DA's next big case to make an example of. A big, messy trial could be financially and emotionally devastating and even career ending *even if* the medical provider is found innocent. Even if a doctor strongly believes there is a reasonable case for abortion, the hospital's lawyers may tell them that if they go ahead, the hospital won't back them. They'll be on their own. And that's how we've gotten where we are. No one can trust the people who made these laws to apply them in good faith. Never mind the fact that people who aren't doctors shouldn't be weighing in on what is "reasonable" in a doctor's judgement in the first place. And never mind the fact that these people seem to believe that everyone but the woman herself gets to make these decisions about her health, life, and body. Our legislators need to stay in their lane and leave medical decisions up to the woman and her doctor, period.
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Post by birukitty on May 15, 2025 19:56:18 GMT
Why wouldn't they? Somebody has to pay. I'm guessing it won't be the Republican legislators in GA who brought this about. Pro lifers are really pro birth. After that, they want notig to do with the baby and family. can't afford a home? Whatever. Can't afford food and medical care? Oh well. Can't afford schooling? Not their problem. As long as a live baby is born, they feel good. After that, they don't give a fuck. I can’t do links but this reminds me a lot of the great George Carlin skit he used to do on this very subject. Maybe one of the other Peas will be kind enough to post it? |
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Post by naby64 on May 15, 2025 19:59:12 GMT
I can’t do links but this reminds me a lot of the great George Carlin skit he used to do on this very subject Is it this one? He's spot on! How could he see into the future? www.youtube.com/watch?v=YpFYpoIwQec |
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Post by crazy4scraps on May 16, 2025 0:45:14 GMT
That whole thing is just sick and incredibly twisted. I can’t even imagine the incredible pain that poor woman’s family is facing. I’d be willing to bet it’s not legal to treat an animal that way.
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