edie3
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Post by edie3 on Jul 6, 2025 2:02:34 GMT
This is just so heartbreaking.
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Post by snugglebutter on Jul 6, 2025 3:44:35 GMT
It's so devastating. Dh and I have learned today of multiple people we know with close connections to those who are missing/deceased. I cannot imagine what they are going through right now.
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Post by aj2hall on Jul 6, 2025 10:13:05 GMT
So sad for all of the families affected. www.nytimes.com/2025/07/05/us/politics/texas-floods-warnings-vacancies.html As Floods Hit, Key Roles Were Vacant at Weather Service Offices in Texas Some experts say staff shortages might have complicated forecasters’ ability to coordinate responses with local emergency management officials.
Crucial positions at the local offices of the National Weather Service were unfilled as severe rainfall inundated parts of Central Texas on Friday morning, prompting some experts to question whether staffing shortages made it harder for the forecasting agency to coordinate with local emergency managers as floodwaters rose.
Texas officials appeared to blame the Weather Service for issuing forecasts on Wednesday that underestimated how much rain was coming. But former Weather Service officials said the forecasts were as good as could be expected, given the enormous levels of rainfall and the storm’s unusually abrupt escalation.
The staffing shortages suggested a separate problem, those former officials said — the loss of experienced people who would typically have helped communicate with local authorities in the hours after flash flood warnings were issued overnight.
The shortages are among the factors likely to be scrutinized as the death toll climbs from the floods. Separate questions have emerged about the preparedness of local communities, including Kerr County’s apparent lack of a local flood warning system. The county, roughly 50 miles northwest of San Antonio, is where many of the deaths occurred.
The National Weather Service’s San Angelo office, which is responsible for some of the areas hit hardest by Friday’s flooding, was missing a senior hydrologist, staff forecaster and meteorologist in charge, according to Tom Fahy, the legislative director for the National Weather Service Employees Organization, the union that represents Weather Service workers.
The Weather Service’s nearby San Antonio office, which covers other areas hit by the floods, also had significant vacancies, including a warning coordination meteorologist and science officer, Mr. Fahy said. Staff members in those positions are meant to work with local emergency managers to plan for floods, including when and how to warn local residents and help them evacuate.
That office’s warning coordination meteorologist left on April 30, after taking the early retirement package the Trump administration used to reduce the number of federal employees, according to a person with knowledge of his departure
Mr. Sokich said that the local Weather Service offices appeared to have sent out the correct warnings. He said the challenge was getting people to receive those warnings, and then take action.
But the Trump administration’s pursuit of fewer staff members means remaining employees have less time to spend coordinating with local officials, he said
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Post by littlemama on Jul 6, 2025 12:26:26 GMT
It really is heartbreaking. It sounds like people got no warning that that this weather was coming in. The weather did state there would be heavy rain. I believe 12-14" in some areas. But no one could predict the storm would hang over one area for the length of time and cause such a fast flash flood and increase in the river. "AccuWeather said the private forecasting company and the National Weather Service sent warnings about potential flash flooding hours beforehand. "These warnings should have provided officials with ample time to evacuate camps such as Camp Mystic and get people to safety," AccuWeather said in a statement. It called the Hill Country one of the most flash-flood-prone areas of the U.S. because of its terrain and many water crossings. Officials defended their actions while saying they had not expected such an intense downpour, the equivalent of months' worth of rain for the area." I wonder if the fact that the warnings were issued in the middle of the night and there was no alarm system contributed to the lack of action. Also, would a summer camp even be equipped to evacuate 750 children?
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Post by ntsf on Jul 6, 2025 14:25:30 GMT
the warnings were available mid day on thursday. I have been at a camp that evacuated 500 kids..from dining hall during a fire and it is not that hard if you have plans..
every camp should have an evacuation plan, as does every school and care site. I think sometimes people who have been in one place for years do not take the further step and having professional risk assessments every 5 yrs or something. or those camps would have been moved to higher ground.
they did say the warning weather person.. who gave warning management... was vacant position at national weather service.
it is just sad all the way around.. just like the campgrounds.. that were in very risky areas.. what safety protocols did they have? probably none.
climate change means we will have more extreme events.. and we need to get ready. course fema is cutting the funds for advance planning.. and preparation. I doubt the states are going to step up and spend that money.
another contributing issue in texas is the lack of strong building codes. in CA.. we have strong codes and people scream about them.. but they do promote more safety.. and disallow building in places with high risk. or requires buildings to be strengthened or improved to meet higher safety standards.
I am very sad for all affected.. but are we thinking about the future and how to protect people more?
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Post by supersoda on Jul 6, 2025 14:33:34 GMT
Our BIL's cousin is one of the missing campers. They don't believe any of the girls from her cabin survived and the family was told no rescues, only recoveries, were made yesterday. Her parents had to go give DNA samples yesterday. Everything about this is horrifying.
Our local channel in Dallas (WFAA) gave a timeline last night of the weather alerts. They underestimated the severity earlier in the evening, and didn't start increasing the severity of the warnings until 2:00-3:00 am. The timing of the storms was a huge factor--we've seen the same thing with middle-of-the-night tornadoes in recent years. Water was already well into people's homes, cabins an RVs before they were even awake.
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 14:51:34 GMT
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Post by librarylady on Jul 6, 2025 16:24:31 GMT
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2025 16:41:12 GMT
The weather did state there would be heavy rain. I believe 12-14" in some areas. But no one could predict the storm would hang over one area for the length of time and cause such a fast flash flood and increase in the river. "AccuWeather said the private forecasting company and the National Weather Service sent warnings about potential flash flooding hours beforehand. "These warnings should have provided officials with ample time to evacuate camps such as Camp Mystic and get people to safety," AccuWeather said in a statement. It called the Hill Country one of the most flash-flood-prone areas of the U.S. because of its terrain and many water crossings. Officials defended their actions while saying they had not expected such an intense downpour, the equivalent of months' worth of rain for the area." I wonder if the fact that the warnings were issued in the middle of the night and there was no alarm system contributed to the lack of action. Also, would a summer camp even be equipped to evacuate 750 children? Get them to higher ground. A big camp here in my area of CA had to be quickly evacuated during a horrible forest fire a few years back. Camps, especially those in areas of risk, should have plans in place.
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TXMary
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Post by TXMary on Jul 6, 2025 16:49:19 GMT
Our BIL's cousin is one of the missing campers. They don't believe any of the girls from her cabin survived and the family was told no rescues, only recoveries, were made yesterday. Her parents had to go give DNA samples yesterday. Everything about this is horrifying. Our local channel in Dallas (WFAA) gave a timeline last night of the weather alerts. They underestimated the severity earlier in the evening, and didn't start increasing the severity of the warnings until 2:00-3:00 am. The timing of the storms was a huge factor--we've seen the same thing with middle-of-the-night tornadoes in recent years. Water was already well into people's homes, cabins an RVs before they were even awake. I am so sorry. ![]()
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2025 17:07:27 GMT
Our BIL's cousin is one of the missing campers. They don't believe any of the girls from her cabin survived and the family was told no rescues, only recoveries, were made yesterday. Her parents had to go give DNA samples yesterday. Everything about this is horrifying. Our local channel in Dallas (WFAA) gave a timeline last night of the weather alerts. They underestimated the severity earlier in the evening, and didn't start increasing the severity of the warnings until 2:00-3:00 am. The timing of the storms was a huge factor--we've seen the same thing with middle-of-the-night tornadoes in recent years. Water was already well into people's homes, cabins an RVs before they were even awake. My goodness 😞 I hope for her parents they are able to find her body so they can have some closure.
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Post by huskergal on Jul 6, 2025 17:23:19 GMT
My heart is completely broken for these families.
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Post by katlady on Jul 6, 2025 17:49:01 GMT
She's from Georgia, what can we expect... Georgia woman seeking a Republican nomination to represent her state in the U.S. House of Representatives is receiving an avalanche of criticism for responding to the tragic loss of life in Texas due to a flash flood as "fake." Kandiss Taylor, a MAGA adherent who recently ran to be Georgia's governor, took to X on Saturday and wrote, "Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake," as authorities in Kerr County, Texas continued to search for bodies.Needless to say, she was harshly criticized as Texas reels from the flood that coursed through a girls' camp. Attorney Tracey Gallagher wrote, "Do your job Georgia... Is this the best you have got?" *** MeidasNews Editor in chief Ron Filipkowski drily pointed out, "Republican congressional candidate in Georgia weighs in." www.rawstory.com/kandiss-taylor-maga/I saw that post and was horrified! But, reading it carefully, I think what she is referring to as "fake" is the weather. She is a conspiracy theorist, and she believes that weather is man-made. All the hurricanes, flooding, etc. is created by man, it is not natural. But. this is all so sad and horrible. My heart goes out to the families and to the survivors.
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Post by **GypsyGirl** on Jul 6, 2025 18:27:17 GMT
My partner has family there and it’s just horrible. Family is ok but they have friends who are among the missing girls. It happened so fast and they were just swept away. Has there been any word on the girls who are missing? Have been thinking about them and hoping they were among the lucky ones to be rescued.
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2025 18:31:04 GMT
There is more....... She fits right in with MTG and Loomer... Georgia Republican seeking a seat in the U.S. House of Representatives in 2026 is doubling down on her assertion that the flash flood that has claimed over sixty lives in Kerr County, Texas was "fake" by promoting a new conspiracy involving $175 million land theft.. On Saturday, Kandiss Taylor, who ran for governor of Georgia in 2022 with a campaign slogan of "Jesus, Guns and Babies,” questioned the tragedy in Texas by posing on X, "Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake," as authorities in Kerr County continued to search for bodies.Despite facing harsh criticism, she added on Sunday by highlighting a post suggesting the weather was being manipulated as part of a "land grab" having to do with the impending construction of a natural gas power plant.Adding a "Well…well…well" comment, she linked to a post on X from "The Patriot Voice" which claimed, "Kerrville, Texas city council just recently approved construction of a $175 Million Natural Gas Power Plant. Out of curiosity, I looked to see if there were any “smart city” or major construction projects slated for Kerrville, Texas in the near future… Lo and behold…" The Patriot Voice's TPV_John continued, " Is it possible that weather modification is in play in Kerrville, causing Biblical levels of flooding, because a LAND GRAB may be necessary to build this plant? Much like Asheville, NC when it was found that the Government (DoD) was trying to confiscate the lithium mines there, and the flooding was apparently caused from the off shoot of a tropical storm/hurricane. JUST like today in Kerrville…" "I think the possibility of Asheville repeating in Kerrville more PROBABLE than not. The pattern and precedent exists, many times over… Whenever the Government wants land, they either find a way to flood it out catastrophically, or burn it all down," he added. www.rawstory.com/kandiss-taylor-2672831054/
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Post by revirdsuba99 on Jul 6, 2025 18:32:36 GMT
My partner has family there and it’s just horrible. Family is ok but they have friends who are among the missing girls. It happened so fast and they were just swept away. Has there been any word on the girls who are missing? Have been thinking about them and hoping they were among the lucky ones to be rescued. Last they reported was 11 girls/campers and a counsel missing...
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2025 19:36:41 GMT
Haven't read the first page but did anyone else know this happened July 16, 1987 as well? I just saw a survivor of that flood at a summer camp speaking about his experience. So looked it up. Yup.
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TXMary
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Post by TXMary on Jul 6, 2025 19:40:18 GMT
Haven't read the first page but did anyone else know this happened July 16, 1987 as well? I just saw a survivor of that flood at a summer camp speaking about his experience. So looked it up. Yup. Yes. I believe there were 10 teenagers killed in that one. This area has a history of flooding. ![]()
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2025 20:17:52 GMT
Haven't read the first page but did anyone else know this happened July 16, 1987 as well? I just saw a survivor of that flood at a summer camp speaking about his experience. So looked it up. Yup. Yes. I believe there were 10 teenagers killed in that one. This area has a history of flooding. ![]() Not familiar with Texas landscape. Because of the land and the way the river runs, is it not feasible to do control channels?
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 20:23:11 GMT
Yes. I believe there were 10 teenagers killed in that one. This area has a history of flooding. ![]() Not familiar with Texas landscape. Because of the land and the way the river runs, is it not feasible to do control channels? i had to look up what channels are. I don’t know for sure, but I suspect that since the ground is very little soil and mostly granite underneath, that hasn’t been feasible. It’s very definitely used along the bayous here in Houston where the soil is just clay. They actually dug the channels deeper along Braes Bayou near my house following the 2015, 2016, and 2017 floods. There is a man-made reservoir further downstream called Canyon Lake that helps prevent some flooding, but the real issue here seems to have been that the water came too quickly for that to be of help.
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 20:23:50 GMT
I read just now that two young girls have been found alive, 30 feet up in a tree near Comfort, TX. That is 18 miles from Kerrville! No further details.
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 20:27:19 GMT
She's from Georgia, what can we expect... Georgia woman seeking a Republican nomination to represent her state in the U.S. House of Representatives is receiving an avalanche of criticism for responding to the tragic loss of life in Texas due to a flash flood as "fake." Kandiss Taylor, a MAGA adherent who recently ran to be Georgia's governor, took to X on Saturday and wrote, "Fake weather. Fake hurricanes. Fake flooding. Fake. Fake. Fake," as authorities in Kerr County, Texas continued to search for bodies.Needless to say, she was harshly criticized as Texas reels from the flood that coursed through a girls' camp. Attorney Tracey Gallagher wrote, "Do your job Georgia... Is this the best you have got?" *** MeidasNews Editor in chief Ron Filipkowski drily pointed out, "Republican congressional candidate in Georgia weighs in." www.rawstory.com/kandiss-taylor-maga/I saw that post and was horrified! But, reading it carefully, I think what she is referring to as "fake" is the weather. She is a conspiracy theorist, and she believes that weather is man-made. All the hurricanes, flooding, etc. is created by man, it is not natural. But. this is all so sad and horrible. My heart goes out to the families and to the survivors. Yes. MTG posted just after that that she is filing a bill to prohibit messing with the weather. These lunatics really think that Democrats are causing these disasters for political reasons. Someone else commented that there must be a Biden-era mole in the government who is doing this to make Trump look bad.
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Post by pantsonfire on Jul 6, 2025 20:28:44 GMT
I read just now that two young girls have been found alive, 30 feet up in a tree near Comfort, TX. That is 18 miles from Kerrville! No further details. Wow!!!
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 20:59:08 GMT
I read just now that two young girls have been found alive, 30 feet up in a tree near Comfort, TX. That is 18 miles from Kerrville! No further details. Wow!!! Right? Went back and found a story, and this one says four bodies were also found nearby. 
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Post by Merge on Jul 6, 2025 21:05:00 GMT
Another flash flood warning has been issued for the same area. First responders and search teams are being evacuated.
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Post by melanell on Jul 6, 2025 21:17:26 GMT
Another flash flood warning has been issued for the same area. First responders and search teams are being evacuated. Oh my gosh, how awful. How absolutely awful. 
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Post by melanell on Jul 6, 2025 21:19:32 GMT
Our local channel in Dallas (WFAA) gave a timeline last night of the weather alerts. They underestimated the severity earlier in the evening, and didn't start increasing the severity of the warnings until 2:00-3:00 am. The timing of the storms was a huge factor--we've seen the same thing with middle-of-the-night tornadoes in recent years. Water was already well into people's homes, cabins an RVs before they were even awake. I did see an interview where a man said he woke up to 2 feet of water in his bedroom, and that was when he realized how severe the situation had become.
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Post by Penellopy on Jul 6, 2025 21:36:25 GMT
Not familiar with Texas landscape. Because of the land and the way the river runs, is it not feasible to do control channels? i had to look up what channels are. I don’t know for sure, but I suspect that since the ground is very little soil and mostly granite underneath, that hasn’t been feasible. It’s very definitely used along the bayous here in Houston where the soil is just clay. They actually dug the channels deeper along Braes Bayou near my house following the 2015, 2016, and 2017 floods. There is a man-made reservoir further downstream called Canyon Lake that helps prevent some flooding, but the real issue here seems to have been that the water came too quickly for that to be of help. I watched a San Antonio Meteorologists who grew up in the area explain the terriane this way. The two river forks located in Kerrville, Texas are the North and South Fork Guadalupe River. These two forks converge to form the Guadalupe River, which then flows through the city of Kerrville. These forks merge in the near the city called Hunt which is about 12 miles west of Kerrville. This area is called the Hill Country because of all the large hills that are made of . The storm parked over the area and dumped rain in large amounts. The storm dumped so much rain at one time combined with the runoff from the hills, the river just swelled at a rapid pace. He said the river rose from 2 to 3 feet to 37 feet in 45 minutes due to the storm. If you have ever floated the Comal or Guadalupe River, you can see how the homes are built on the river way up on the sides of the hills. Most of this ares is made primary of limestone and granite with very little topsoil layers.
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Post by lesley on Jul 6, 2025 21:38:57 GMT
I saw that post and was horrified! But, reading it carefully, I think what she is referring to as "fake" is the weather. She is a conspiracy theorist, and she believes that weather is man-made. All the hurricanes, flooding, etc. is created by man, it is not natural. But. this is all so sad and horrible. My heart goes out to the families and to the survivors. Yes. MTG posted just after that that she is filing a bill to prohibit messing with the weather. These lunatics really think that Democrats are causing these disasters for political reasons. Someone else commented that there must be a Biden-era mole in the government who is doing this to make Trump look bad. But climate change is a hoax! Sounds like she wants it both ways. 🙄
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Post by valincal on Jul 6, 2025 22:05:10 GMT
Another flash flood warning has been issued for the same area. First responders and search teams are being evacuated. How awful. My heart goes out to everyone affected. 😢
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