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Post by Anna*Banana on Jul 6, 2014 3:22:24 GMT
...they have a right to exist and pass out their trash. People have a right to join. The right that they have the right to exist is the same one that gives other groups the right to exist. I hate what they stand for but they have the right to think whatever they want and have a club to go with it. They do not have the right to act on it or commit crimes.
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Post by TankTop on Jul 6, 2014 3:26:01 GMT
That is so truly disgusting.
The county I live in has a long history with the kkk, but I have never seen them here.
13 years ago I was teaching fourth grade for the first time as a first year teacher new to the area. I about vomited in my classroom when I had 3, yes 3, students walk out of my room during our study of the Underground d Railroad. The ring leader said, "I won't listen to these N- word stories."
The look on his face and those words are forever etched in my mind.
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Post by Legacy Girl on Jul 6, 2014 3:38:30 GMT
I know it's probably pretty unlikely, as small as your town is, but would the market have video surveillance of the people who distributed the fliers? I would definitely share the info with the market owners and see if they have signs prohibiting solicitation on their property. If so, they could contact law enforcement and start there. Such totally hateful BS.
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Post by pynke on Jul 6, 2014 3:43:22 GMT
I am so naive. I didn't realize this hate group still existed.
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Post by traceys on Jul 6, 2014 3:55:14 GMT
Born and raised in Alabama and I really don't know anything about the KKK. However, I am curious, have they always been violent? I know they assemble and have meetings and such, but do they openly commit acts of violence? To me, they are all idiots. And it makes me sad to think that my children live in a world where these people still exist. I have not heard of them, as a group, claiming responsibility for any violence, but who knows about individual members. When they were last in our area, it seemed like they went out of their way to make sure that if there were any violence they could claim to be the victims of it. By that I mean that they knew the police would be all over their rally, and they could say provocative things. I think they hoped that people would lash out against them so they could say, "See? We're just conducting our business and being attacked!" Not that I think many people were buying it, but I think that was the tactic. They knew that a huge law enforcement presence wouldn't let them get hurt.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 4:16:39 GMT
The KKK targeted me because I was Jewish, hence it was considered a hate crime. You do know that the KKK doesn't only target African-Americans, don't you? Elaine, don't fall for it. She's looking to troll. You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word.
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Post by elaine on Jul 6, 2014 4:28:06 GMT
You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word. Meh. I understood how she meant it. Rainbow's comment was only made in spite, trying to provoke a fight, rather than make a meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion about the KKK being alive and well in Ohio. Which is the same as what trolls try to do: make provocative statements, trying to draw board members into a fight, rather than add to the current discussion. So, not necessarily used incorrectly, in this case, IMO....
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 6, 2014 4:44:40 GMT
You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word. Meh. I understood how she meant it. Rainbow's comment was only made in spite, trying to provoke a fight, rather than make a meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion about the KKK being alive and well in Ohio. Which is the same as what trolls try to do: make provocative statements, trying to draw board members into a fight, rather than add to the current discussion. So, not necessarily used incorrectly, in this case, IMO.... How about Rainbow's comment was made because no group of people is any more important than any other and there don't need to be "special" laws for certain groups of people. A crime is a crime whether you are Jewish, gay or whatever. Either nobody is special or we ALL are. See?
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Post by elaine on Jul 6, 2014 4:50:46 GMT
Meh. I understood how she meant it. Rainbow's comment was only made in spite, trying to provoke a fight, rather than make a meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion about the KKK being alive and well in Ohio. Which is the same as what trolls try to do: make provocative statements, trying to draw board members into a fight, rather than add to the current discussion. So, not necessarily used incorrectly, in this case, IMO.... How about Rainbow's comment was made because no group of people is any more important than any other and there don't need to be "special" laws for certain groups of people. A crime is a crime whether you are Jewish, gay or whatever. Either nobody is special or we ALL are. See?And what does that have to with the KKK in Ohio? Nothing, unless you are trying to make the case that you support the KKK's targeting of specific groups. Which, if you are, makes you as despicable as they are. I never thought you would stoop so low as to cheer on the Klan's terrorism against specific groups in the U.SA., but there you have it. You have surprised me in your support of terrorism on American soil, unless it is against White Christians, of course. You are about as un-American and unpatriotic as they come in your answers on this thread. I will pray for you and your KKK buddies.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 6, 2014 4:59:32 GMT
How about Rainbow's comment was made because no group of people is any more important than any other and there don't need to be "special" laws for certain groups of people. A crime is a crime whether you are Jewish, gay or whatever. Either nobody is special or we ALL are. See? And what does that have to with the KKK in Ohio? Nothing, unless you are trying to make the case that you support the KKK's targeting of specific groups. Which, if you are, makes you as despicable as they are. I never thought you would stoop so low as to cheer on the Klan's terrorism against specific groups on American soil, but there you have it. You have surprised me in your support of terrorism on American soil, unless it is against White Christians, of course. You are about as un-American and unpatriotic as they come in your answers on this thread. I will pray for you and your KKK buddies. ![](http://media2.giphy.com/media/TlnSipqgXXOyA/200_s.gif)
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jul 6, 2014 5:27:10 GMT
And what does that have to with the KKK in Ohio? Nothing, unless you are trying to make the case that you support the KKK's targeting of specific groups. Which, if you are, makes you as despicable as they are. I never thought you would stoop so low as to cheer on the Klan's terrorism against specific groups on American soil, but there you have it. You have surprised me in your support of terrorism on American soil, unless it is against White Christians, of course. You are about as un-American and unpatriotic as they come in your answers on this thread. I will pray for you and your KKK buddies. ![](http://media2.giphy.com/media/TlnSipqgXXOyA/200_s.gif) I think what she is saying, with a bit of hyperbole for effect, is that by saying things like "no one person is more special than others" is to dismiss any kind of struggle, violence or prejudice that has been shown toward other people. It's basically saying "you haven't suffered any more than anyone else, so what makes you so special?" It's disgusting. The very reason we have phrases like "hate speech" is because of the way certain people have been treated.
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Post by JBeans on Jul 6, 2014 6:24:44 GMT
You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word. Meh. I understood how she meant it. Rainbow's comment was only made in spite, trying to provoke a fight, rather than make a meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion about the KKK being alive and well in Ohio. Which is the same as what trolls try to do: make provocative statements, trying to draw board members into a fight, rather than add to the current discussion. So, not necessarily used incorrectly, in this case, IMO.... Bingo. Rainbow us positioning herself for a fight. Open ended comments like this are par for course and used to pull dissenters in, only to argue in circles about meaningless semantics. Same shit. Different thread.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 6, 2014 9:08:23 GMT
How about Rainbow's comment was made because no group of people is any more important than any other and there don't need to be "special" laws for certain groups of people. A crime is a crime whether you are Jewish, gay or whatever. Either nobody is special or we ALL are. See? And what does that have to with the KKK in Ohio? Nothing, unless you are trying to make the case that you support the KKK's targeting of specific groups. Which, if you are, makes you as despicable as they are. I never thought you would stoop so low as to cheer on the Klan's terrorism against specific groups in the U.SA., but there you have it. You have surprised me in your support of terrorism on American soil, unless it is against White Christians, of course. You are about as un-American and unpatriotic as they come in your answers on this thread. I will pray for you and your KKK buddies. OK, you just INVENTED a bunch of crap in your response. You truly have a very bizarre way of thinking. I get what you are saying, that some are more equal than others. Got it. I totally disagree with it, though. And I'm not going to make up a bunch of CRAP about you because it doesn't add anything of value to the discussion. Carry on.
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Post by M in Carolina on Jul 6, 2014 9:34:58 GMT
Maybe they didn't get a permit to solicit, which is against the law. The local police would know.
There's an ex SHERIFF that has a table at the flea market every weekend at the NC State Fairgrounds. He is a Klansmen and sells KKK memorabilia. I love talking about how awful that is while standing around customers at his table--they all walk away. It's disgusting, especially for someone who was in law enforcement. I hate bad law enforcement officers that give them all a bad name.
I know the Klan is alive and large in NC, but the news doesn't report on their rallies and most people ignore them. They're not as visible as they were. I have seen houses that had signs saying KKK or other identification, but it's not frequent. I get so sick to my stomach when I see that crap.
My FIL insists he isn't racist, but he believes that white people are smarter and better than others and that the races shouldn't intermarry. The thing is, his father's family is from France and Belgium and his mother's family is from West Virginia--and included a lot of Native Americans and immigrants. Both places are a melting pot of ethnicities. His beliefs make dh and I so upset.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 6, 2014 13:07:38 GMT
I think what she is saying, with a bit of hyperbole for effect, is that by saying things like "no one person is more special than others" is to dismiss any kind of struggle, violence or prejudice that has been shown toward other people. It's basically saying "you haven't suffered any more than anyone else, so what makes you so special?" It's disgusting. The very reason we have phrases like "hate speech" is because of the way certain people have been treated. Everybody has struggles. It isn't for you to say how difficult it has been for someone else, or that they haven't comparatively suffered enough to be treated equally as Jews or gays. That is disgusting. I guess we can't all be "certain people" eh? What makes them so damn special? Everyone suffers and if they are abused then they need to be treated EQUALLY under the law.
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Post by freebird on Jul 6, 2014 13:14:00 GMT
Go to a meeting so you know who they are. You only need to stay a few min. What a bunch of losers. I suspect racism will never die.
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jul 6, 2014 18:28:53 GMT
I think what she is saying, with a bit of hyperbole for effect, is that by saying things like "no one person is more special than others" is to dismiss any kind of struggle, violence or prejudice that has been shown toward other people. It's basically saying "you haven't suffered any more than anyone else, so what makes you so special?" It's disgusting. The very reason we have phrases like "hate speech" is because of the way certain people have been treated. Everybody has struggles. It isn't for you to say how difficult it has been for someone else, or that they haven't comparatively suffered enough to be treated equally as Jews or gays. That is disgusting. I guess we can't all be "certain people" eh? What makes them so damn special? Everyone suffers and if they are abused then they need to be treated EQUALLY under the law. The fact that you refuse to recognize that there are certain groups of the human populace that are treated horribly JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE and for no other reason, makes you, in my eyes, almost as bad as the KKK. If you think they haven't suffered any more than anyone else, then you are either completely clueless or completely evil, just like the KKK.
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Post by ~Lauren~ on Jul 6, 2014 20:16:38 GMT
You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word.I agree. I do not think Rainbow is "trolling" or looking to start a fight.
In fact, I think she makes a valid point and I agree with it. Crimes should be catagorized based on the action of the perpetrator; not on the type of victim. Destroying Elaine's property is no worse a crime, nor is the damage worse because she's Jewish than it would be if it were done to a Christian, an atheist, a Muslim or any other person.
And as a member of the same class as Elaine's (ie a practicing Jew), I can honestly say that I do not believe that there should be certain offenses which carrying a stiffer sentence simply because they were committed against Jews, Blacks, Muslims or whatever. We should punish the crime itself and should not have special classes of people that cause a sentence to be escalated.
As to the OP, I hate the KKK. Notwithstanding that, as long as they peacefully congregate and do not incite or commit violence, they have the right to go where they want and do what they want.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 6, 2014 23:41:07 GMT
Everybody has struggles. It isn't for you to say how difficult it has been for someone else, or that they haven't comparatively suffered enough to be treated equally as Jews or gays. That is disgusting. I guess we can't all be "certain people" eh? What makes them so damn special? Everyone suffers and if they are abused then they need to be treated EQUALLY under the law. The fact that you refuse to recognize that there are certain groups of the human populace that are treated horribly JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE and for no other reason, makes you, in my eyes, almost as bad as the KKK. If you think they haven't suffered any more than anyone else, then you are either completely clueless or completely evil, just like the KKK. I vote vote for completely clueless. She has no idea, apparently, that certain groups have been targeted historically by racist/homophobic groups.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 7, 2014 0:15:27 GMT
The fact that you refuse to recognize that there are certain groups of the human populace that are treated horribly JUST BECAUSE THEY ARE WHO THEY ARE and for no other reason, makes you, in my eyes, almost as bad as the KKK. If you think they haven't suffered any more than anyone else, then you are either completely clueless or completely evil, just like the KKK. I vote vote for completely clueless. She has no idea, apparently, that certain groups have been targeted historically by racist/homophobic groups. She does know that we are all created EQUAL, and should be treated as such.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 7, 2014 0:22:41 GMT
I vote vote for completely clueless. She has no idea, apparently, that certain groups have been targeted historically by racist/homophobic groups. She does know that we are all created EQUAL, and should be treated as such. I know that I am going to regret this but...the thing is, all groups are not targeted equally. I feel pretty secure in knowing, for example, that it is highly unlikely that a racist group will target me. Not everyone has that sense of security.
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Post by 2peafaithful on Jul 7, 2014 0:29:37 GMT
For crying out loud. Dang. I can tell you after being in another southern state not nearly as metropolitan as ours that racism is very much alive. So grateful we live where we do but there shouldn't be room for hate anywhere.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 7, 2014 1:02:34 GMT
She does know that we are all created EQUAL, and should be treated as such. I know that I am going to regret this but...the thing is, all groups are not targeted equally. I feel pretty secure in knowing, for example, that it is highly unlikely that a racist group will target me. Not everyone has that sense of security. One person is just as violated as another. You don't get to decide that one person feels more violated than another by virtue of "who they are". I'm a woman. I'm not gay or Jewish. If I'm violated in any way it is just as terrible as if someone else were violated. You don't get to decide that it "isn't as bad" for me or anyone else. Who the hell do you think you are to say that? Are you crazy? It isn't worse for "certain" people, it's horrible for everyone.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 7, 2014 1:13:37 GMT
I give up. You are never going to grasp this. Never mind. Have a lovely evening.
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Post by mollycoddle on Jul 7, 2014 1:22:07 GMT
You know how the word bully is overused and used incorrectly? So does the troll word. Meh. I understood how she meant it. Rainbow's comment was only made in spite, trying to provoke a fight, rather than make a meaningful contribution to the ongoing discussion about the KKK being alive and well in Ohio. Which is the same as what trolls try to do: make provocative statements, trying to draw board members into a fight, rather than add to the current discussion. So, not necessarily used incorrectly, in this case, IMO.... I agree. No one is that dense. It has to be deliberate. I'm done arguing with her. Sooooo pointless.
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Post by Rainbow on Jul 7, 2014 1:34:31 GMT
I give up. You are never going to grasp this. Never mind. Have a lovely evening. Yeah, I will never grasp that some people are worth more than others.
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Post by eastcoastpea on Jul 7, 2014 1:58:53 GMT
I would be just as upset as you Steph if I had a notice like that on my car windshield. I hope there is no increase in their activity. If at any point things feel more scary, and you don't think local law enforcement will be helpful, consider contacting the state police.
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