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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 26, 2025 17:41:59 GMT
I know that we generally avoid talking about Gaza and Israel here, but I am overly sick over what is happening there. What needs to happen to get Israel to stop committing war crimes and starving the Palestinians? Clearly the US isn’t going to do anything, but what about the rest of the world? It seems to me that it’s time for countries to get together and do something rather than just talk about how horrible it is. What are your thoughts?
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Post by pinklady on Jul 26, 2025 19:04:06 GMT
I am absolutely disgusted with the human race. It feels like I'm living in a dream that horror movies are made of.
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Post by gar on Jul 26, 2025 19:08:27 GMT
I honestly don’t know what it will take 😔
How they’ve been allowed to continue unchallenged as long as they have is unbelievable.
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Post by marmargirl on Jul 26, 2025 19:30:36 GMT
It’s absolutely sickening. I’m disgusted by what human beings will do for power, and it doesn’t get any worse than allowing children to starve to death.
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Post by jayfab on Jul 26, 2025 19:35:40 GMT
I feel all those years we said "never again" is all for naught. Yes, it's not exact, but it's just the beginning I feel.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 26, 2025 20:31:17 GMT
Have you noticed none of the other Muslim Arab nations want to get involved either? What about UAE, KSA, Qatar, Bahrain. None of them are sending food and they are just ignoring what’s going on in Gaza. They won’t take refugees or anything. Neither will Egypt. They are deaf as well.
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 26, 2025 21:09:12 GMT
It really is heartbreaking. I don't have answers. I sure wish governments could be charged with crimes against humanity. It's inhumane what they are doing. And for the record, it was horrific what happened to the innocent Israelis who were kidnapped and tortured. But what Israel is doing to innocent people in Gaza are equally as horrific.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 26, 2025 21:40:03 GMT
Have you noticed none of the other Muslim Arab nations want to get involved either? What about UAE, KSA, Qatar, Bahrain. None of them are sending food and they are just ignoring what’s going on in Gaza. They won’t take refugees or anything. Neither will Egypt. They are deaf as well. There is food waiting to go in. But Israel won’t allow it. Hezbollah was supposedly fighting for Palestinians and for the war to end, but we see how that went. Other Arab countries also won’t take refugees because in the past Israel wouldn’t take the refugees back. That is what they call the Nakba (the catastrophe). Nobody wants to absorb that population or be responsible for them not being able to go home. And so far the Palestinians had said they wanted to stay. I’ve heard some people recently say that they would leave if given the chance now that they are living in hell and everything is destroyed.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 26, 2025 22:46:58 GMT
Have you noticed none of the other Muslim Arab nations want to get involved either? What about UAE, KSA, Qatar, Bahrain. None of them are sending food and they are just ignoring what’s going on in Gaza. They won’t take refugees or anything. Neither will Egypt. They are deaf as well. There is food waiting to go in. But Israel won’t allow it. Hezbollah was supposedly fighting for Palestinians and for the war to end, but we see how that went. Other Arab countries also won’t take refugees because in the past Israel wouldn’t take the refugees back. That is what they call the Nakba (the catastrophe). Nobody wants to absorb that population or be responsible for them not being able to go home. And so far the Palestinians had said they wanted to stay. I’ve heard some people recently say that they would leave if given the chance now that they are living in hell and everything is destroyed. As long as Hamas is in charge nothing but looting and fighting is going to continue. That said, are the other Arab nations worried if they take in Palestinians they will get Hamas people in their country trying to stir up trouble and that’s why they don’t want them. Gaza still uses donkey pulled carts. It’s like they never had an Industrial Revolution. I have no idea how to fix this myself. I follow CNN and what is going ok. I should include Jordan because their king doesn’t want Palestinian refugees either. If the Arab states cared they would be helping Palestine and they just aren’t.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 26, 2025 23:33:53 GMT
There is food waiting to go in. But Israel won’t allow it. Hezbollah was supposedly fighting for Palestinians and for the war to end, but we see how that went. Other Arab countries also won’t take refugees because in the past Israel wouldn’t take the refugees back. That is what they call the Nakba (the catastrophe). Nobody wants to absorb that population or be responsible for them not being able to go home. And so far the Palestinians had said they wanted to stay. I’ve heard some people recently say that they would leave if given the chance now that they are living in hell and everything is destroyed. As long as Hamas is in charge nothing but looting and fighting is going to continue. That said, are the other Arab nations worried if they take in Palestinians they will get Hamas people in their country trying to stir up trouble and that’s why they don’t want them. Gaza still uses donkey pulled carts. It’s like they never had an Industrial Revolution. I have no idea how to fix this myself. I follow CNN and what is going ok. I should include Jordan because their king doesn’t want Palestinian refugees either. If the Arab states cared they would be helping Palestine and they just aren’t. They have been oppressed by Israel their whole existence. Even before the war Israel controlled what went in and out, how many calories they thought was “enough” for Palestinians and what foods were too “extravagant.” Of course they didn’t have an Industrial Revolution. Imagine if all this time the goal was for Palestinians to thrive instead of making their lives as hard as possible and to barely survive. Hamas does need to go, but so far there has been no alternative. Germany recovered from WW2 because the world helped them rebuild and have opportunities to do well. The same needs to be done for Palestine. There is also no way that they can revolt against Hamas if they are just trying to survive. There was also a report today from Israel that said there was no evidence of Hamas taking large amounts of the food and aid that has come in.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 26, 2025 23:56:13 GMT
@imkristin I agree Hamas has to go but the other Arab states who they have the most in common with could go after Israel and yet they are sitting complacently watching this play out. They could help the Palestinians but aren’t. Why?
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 27, 2025 0:02:32 GMT
@imkristin I agree Hamas has to go but the other Arab states who they have the most in common with could go after Israel and yet they are sitting complacently watching this play out. They could help the Palestinians but aren’t. Why? And what do you think would happen if they went after Israel? I think it needs to be western countries that act in order to send a message to Israel. Otherwise it will just lead to a wider war for sure.
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 27, 2025 0:07:07 GMT
@imkristin I agree Hamas has to go but the other Arab states who they have the most in common with could go after Israel and yet they are sitting complacently watching this play out. They could help the Palestinians but aren’t. Why? And what do you think would happen if they went after Israel? I think it needs to be western countries that act in order to send a message to Israel. Otherwise it will just lead to a wider war for sure. I honestly do not know. I think someone needs to do something but Israel is getting weapons and Hamas is getting weapons. I don’t know how to fix this. Canada isn’t doing anything. Trump and Bibi are buddies. I honestly don’t know. Maybe if Germany joined France they could convince the US and Canada to take a stand against Israel. I don’t know. If you have a solution I’d be interested.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 27, 2025 0:20:09 GMT
And what do you think would happen if they went after Israel? I think it needs to be western countries that act in order to send a message to Israel. Otherwise it will just lead to a wider war for sure. I honestly do not know. I think someone needs to do something but Israel is getting weapons and Hamas is getting weapons. I don’t know how to fix this. Canada isn’t doing anything. Trump and Bibi are buddies. I honestly don’t know. Maybe if Germany joined France they could convince the US and Canada to take a stand against Israel. I don’t know. If you have a solution I’d be interested. Germany supplies Israel with about 30% of their weapons, from what I read and heard the other day. I think the first thing would be that all countries need to get together and say enough is enough, cut off the supply of money and weapons and threaten sanctions. If that doesn’t work, enact the sanctions. They can also use force (if needed) to bring in supplies by sea. Israel needs to know they are alone in this, IMO. There also needs to be a comprehensive plan for Gaza and the West Bank that leads to their self-determination and opportunities for success—without Hamas. I wish I had a great idea of how to get rid of Hamas, but what is being done now is apparently not working. How were the nazi’s removed after the war?
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 27, 2025 1:00:48 GMT
I honestly don’t know what it will take 😔 How they’ve been allowed to continue unchallenged as long as they have is unbelievable. Its disgusting. I am not going to be quiet about this. It feels like it needs to be said in this political climate, that its entirely possible to be critical of the actions of the current Israeli government, and not be antisemitic.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 27, 2025 13:31:41 GMT
I honestly don’t know what it will take 😔 How they’ve been allowed to continue unchallenged as long as they have is unbelievable. Its disgusting. I am not going to be quiet about this. It feels like it needs to be said in this political climate, that its entirely possible to be critical of the actions of the current Israeli government, and not be antisemitic. I wish there was more we could do. I have written to my congresspeople many times but of course nothing changes.
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Post by gillyp on Jul 27, 2025 13:39:41 GMT
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Post by Bridget in MD on Jul 27, 2025 15:40:31 GMT
I believe I saw France is going to recognize Palestine, I wish I remember where I saw that information. I don't know if I understood what that means? Does recognizing Palestine (as a country, I assume) give them more help?
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 27, 2025 17:09:08 GMT
I fear you are right. The trouble is, it is numerically impossible with the sheer amount of people impacted needing food, to provide enough food to feed them by mass airlift alone.  ( And then you have Israel violating maritime law to board and detain aid ships headed for Gaza. Just awful. 😞 www.msn.com/en-us/new
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 27, 2025 17:13:45 GMT
I feel all those years we said "never again" is all for naught. Yes, it's not exact, but it's just the beginning I feel. I think the most upsetting thing to me about it, is a country founded out of “never again” is now perpetrating this. I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that. 😢
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Post by gracieplusthree on Jul 27, 2025 17:41:31 GMT
Sadly no guarantees Isreal would truly allow it, they may shoot the planes down.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 28, 2025 0:18:35 GMT
I feel all those years we said "never again" is all for naught. Yes, it's not exact, but it's just the beginning I feel. I think the most upsetting thing to me about it, is a country founded out of “never again” is now perpetrating this. I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that. 😢 And they don’t seem to have a lot of ability to empathize or engage in self-reflection regarding their actions. I’ve seen several posts saying that the photos are fake, that there is no starvation in Gaza, that children aren’t actually starving, they are a product of birth defects because Palestinians are inbred, etc. And every pro-Israel person I have seen on video (government or otherwise) fully supports it as well. I’m sure there are Israeli’s who don’t, but they don’t seem to be very loud.
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Post by gar on Jul 28, 2025 7:35:58 GMT
A 10 hr ceasefire has supposedly begun and aid drops are happening but for how long? BBC
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Post by withapea on Jul 28, 2025 13:37:16 GMT
I honestly don't even know how to talk about it. I can't hear any kind of rationalization for what is happening in Gaza. It is beyond depravity and the US is complicit.
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 28, 2025 15:18:04 GMT
I think the most upsetting thing to me about it, is a country founded out of “never again” is now perpetrating this. I am having a very difficult time wrapping my head around that. 😢 And they don’t seem to have a lot of ability to empathize or engage in self-reflection regarding their actions. I’ve seen several posts saying that the photos are fake, that there is no starvation in Gaza, that children aren’t actually starving, they are a product of birth defects because Palestinians are inbred, etc. And every pro-Israel person I have seen on video (government or otherwise) fully supports it as well. I’m sure there are Israeli’s who don’t, but they don’t seem to be very loud. Im not going to pretend I have any of the answers here, I recognize and understand its complex historically. I just believe the Palestinian people deserve their own nation and the right to self rule and self determination (they currently don’t have this) just like Israel does. I don’t know how the world gets to that kind of place though. As someone who opposed the US invasion of Iraq, and seeing the number of Jewish diaspora who oppose whats happening in Gaza, I am absolutely sure there are many “not in my name” Israelis where your total opposition to something, changes nothing about the actions your government is taking. We have people here on this board who believe things, despite all evidence to the contrary. So I do think it’s important to acknowledge that Israelis speaking out exist, no matter the number. Have they been silent so much as not widely platformed in the mainstream here? I am not sure. www.nytimes.com/2025/07/28/world/middleeast/israel-dissent-war-gaza.htmlIts like being held responsible for the far-reaching global madness of Trump as an American. I am heartsick about the nations where children especially will again die from malnutrition, and treatable and preventable diseases, because USAID was decimated. I didn’t vote for him, nor do i support anything he’s done so far, but he’s still president of my country and people have still blamed me for it, regardless of my attending protests publicly and my otherwise opposition to all of it.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:36:44 GMT
I have struggled with whether to comment on this thread because this issue is so very, very personal to me.
My knowledge has been gained for the last 20 years being married to a man from Gaza. I have developed close relationships with his family and many friends along the way. I have heard personal stories and seen pictures from Gaza. My BFF here is from the West Bank and grew up during the war in Beirut. She also happens to be a diplomat at the Palestinian Embassy here.
I don’t disagree with the question about why SOME Arab countries aren’t doing more but the comment about the donkey cart and people living in the Middle Ages was so rude and ignorant. I will address that by itself. There is so much misinformation I see in the West about the Middle East and this issue in particular.
It's going to be long, but here goes:
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:38:02 GMT
Believe me when I say, that any Arabs feel betrayed by SOME of their own “brother countries”, most notably, Saudi Arabia. At the same time, many of you (general) are not aware just how much some of these countries ARE helping. Egypt for example has set up a high level trauma field hospital 30 miles from the Rafa border. This is where many severely wounded people are first evacuated to. Many of those patients are then transported to other hospitals within Egypt depending on the level of their wounds. Patients are outfitted with prosthetics and wheel chairs. There are thousands of Palestinians missing limbs from the bombing. There are thousands of children without parents and thousands of parents without children trying to find their way in a different country in which they have no belongings.
Qatar is another country that is doing even more. They have flown thousands of wounded to be cared for in their hospitals. They have established a compound that has apartments for families to live in. It is guarded not to keep them in, but to keep the public out in order to respect their privacy and healing. They have provided schooling, medical care, trauma therapist and all sorts of needs. Specifically for my nephew, they have provided him with a motorized wheelchair. They have given him 2 leg prosthetics at a cost of $15,000 each! He will soon be provided with a titanium arm with moveable fingers. My nephew lost both legs and his right arm. His remaining arm lost two fingers and has had to have countless surgeries as he suffered a compound fracture. He laid under the rubble for at least an hour before they got to him. He was standing 500 feet (a football field is 360 feet) from where the bomb hit…that is the level of damage from ONE bomb.
Qatar has provided him with a FULL scholarship to university. Before the war, he was heading into his 2nd year of nursing in Gaza. The university has waived any requirements for previous transcripts because…ALL of that no longer exists. Think about how difficult it would be for YOU to manage without your birth certificate, SS card…your drivers license. ALL of these records no longer exist nor are they replaceable. The government buildings and homes have been destroyed.
We visited my nephew in Qatar. We were allowed in the compound where he and my SIL are staying. We had to wait just inside of the gate for security to login and check our credentials. While we waited, you could hear this group of children playing that were coming towards us, laughing and chasing each other. As I looked up, the breath went out of my chest and my heart stopped. Not ONE of those children didn’t have a limb missing. They were playing and running with canes or crutches or were hopping around on one leg. For the rest of my breathing life, I will NEVER forget this image.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:38:39 GMT
Several of these Arab countries DO help, but the western media does not show this. Also, these countries must walk a delicate tightrope of not “showing” a side least they anger the wrong side and find themselves in political danger. Remember these are still countries not as developed as the U.S. They require much of the aid that is provided by the Western world. It is an issue so murky and complicated that even those that live here struggle to understand.
As for Saudi Arabis, most Arabs are NO fans. There is a saying in reference to SA…”It is the holiest place and yet the most hated place.” The Saudi family has long been greedy. They squander the country’s wealth while most citizens live in squalor. MBS is buddies with Trump, so make of that what you will.
Jordan is made up of 75% of Palestinians from the FIRST Nakba. They struggle to survive and are completely dependent on aid from the West. They are in no position to take more refugees. You must also realize that many of them have already taken in thousands of refugees from Syria. It is naïve at best to assume that these countries can take on such a mass of people that have beyond drastic needs.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:39:24 GMT
But at the heart of this, you (again general) are advocating for the forced displacement of roughly 2 million people. This is like asking the ENTIRE city of Houston to walk out of their homes and take nothing to move to North Dakota, in which there is no housing, no job, no way to even begin to start a new life. I would simply ask that you take that into consideration.
These people have ALWAYS lived there. So many homes have (up until this point) the old keys hanging on the wall that represents homes or land that they no longer have. Palestinians have NEVER been compensated for any of the lands that have been lost. The land is simply taken under military order.
Palestinians are also taxed by Israel. Often times, this money is held for months at a time until it is deemed time to give back. Since the start of the war, Smotrich has directed that only 36% of this money, which are wages for Palestinians, be given back. The rest is given to settlers to establish new communities (settlements). They are effectively stealing the land AND the money.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:40:07 GMT
I want to be clear, I have NOTHING against the Jewish religion. My issue is with Zionism. I have NEVER agreed with terrorist acts. I do NOT condone the attacks of October 7, yet I do understand the why it happened. I have merely illustrated the tip of the ice burg about life in Gaza.
Let’s discuss Hamas. Are you aware that they were aided and supported by none other than Netanyahu in an effort to dismantle Fatah (the ruling party of the West Bank). But once they grew out of control they were deemed a terrorist group. Does this playbook sound familiar? Before they were elected in 2006 I believe, Gaza was sort of a lawless land, ruled by tribal, gang-like people. Hamas came in and cleaned that up and gave more security to the people. Giving more education and medical care. My own family do not care for Hamas but yet, they can not deny that they started to make life better WITHIN Gaza. It’s not that far removed from the argument for the reasons that people leave their countries seeking a better life for themselves and their children. The only difference is that Palestinians aren’t allowed to leave. The choice for them has literally been to choose life or choose death. I am angry that Hamas has given the people of Gaza no other choice.
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