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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:40:54 GMT
Remember that it has been the West that has provided the weapons and bombs all this time to carry out the carnage rather than using that political leverage with Israel to perhaps have chosen a different path. It truly frightens me to think what the Palestinians that have survived will be like in 20 years.
The media we see here is mostly raw and unfiltered. You simply aren’t seeing what is really happening, but for some social media. I would simply ask…Why is that? Just today, we see Netanyahu saying there is no starvation in Gaza. Even Trump is saying you can’t fake that. When you can hide the gruesome in the dark, it is easier to keep doing it.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:41:30 GMT
As to the “donkey cart” comment up thread…did you stop to think that there is NO GAS left in Gaza to make cars run. There used to be car dealerships in Gaza that have been bombed out of existence. I have questioned how the ambulances are continuing to run. Although we have started to see less and less of them.
We are starting to see less and less of the horse/donkey carts as well. Why? The people have no food…there is no longer food for the animals to eat. All of the agriculture has WILLFULLY been destroyed. I am certain that western media does not show the emaciated, dead animals that are rotting in the streets. It pains me to think that if those images made it to the West, then and only then would people become outraged to the point of change really happening. This man-made famine has been warned against for months and yet it has still been allowed to happen.
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Post by allipeas on Jul 28, 2025 17:42:11 GMT
Americans have never really experienced war, a real devastating war on their own soil. You don’t know what it looks like. There is a reason that veterans come back from wars so traumatized. When you see PIECES of human bodies hanging from a piece of building rebar, or the dead body of a child that has starved to death, OR a family member that you have happy pictures of in your home, who now has scars from burns and is missing all but one limb…war does not touch you.
Even through all of my experience, I don’t have an answer. The cost is simply too much at this point. And there isn’t one single country, group or person that is neutral enough to repair.
What I see now is a holocaust being perpetrated by those that survived their own.
I have lost faith in humanity.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 28, 2025 17:58:55 GMT
Allipeas thanks for sharing your perspective. I am so sorry to hear about your nephew. What he and so many others are going through is horrendous. They will be dealing with this for the rest of their lives--emotionally and physically. What we see on the news here (I mostly see it on CNN or other news posts on Instagram) is bad enough, I can only imagine what it is like still living there and for family members like you. I, too, worry about the emotional toll and the generational trauma on the whole population of Gaza--based on what was happening before this conflict but most certainly after. I don't know what the ultimate solution is, but I believe that there has to be people on both sides who are willing and able to acknowledge the full history and the role of both sides, in order to move forward in peace. I do not agree with Zionism, but I also don't think either side is going away at this point (unless Israel forces the issue with Palestinians and continues to do what they are doing). Israel needs to stop the settlements and stop controlling life in Gaza AND the West Bank. Palestinian people need to have the right to self-determination and the same rights as others. I will probably write more later but have a work meeting right now. But wanted to make a reply. ![]() |
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Post by sassyangel on Jul 28, 2025 18:13:45 GMT
Thank you, allipeas. I so much appreciate you sharing your personal perspective so comprehensively - especially given you’ve shared that typing a lot can be challenging for you.
Misinformation is definitely an issue, as is easily available full unbiased information with explanatory context and nuance. Your perspective is welcomed. To be clear, I do not and never will accept the forced removal of Palestinians from Gaza or anywhere as an any kind of outcome to this. It is not. What is happening there is a humanitarian travesty. 😔
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Post by Delta Dawn on Jul 28, 2025 18:20:34 GMT
allipeas one thing that worries me is the next two or more generations of Gazan’s who will have mental health issues like PTSD for goodness how long and how they will recover from that. Physical injury I get but the mental health problems these people are going to have. I know I am talking about the future but I have to hope the west and Europe will provide adequate help for the people. Does this make sense?
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Post by naby64 on Jul 28, 2025 18:22:29 GMT
Oh, allipeas, thank you. I know, from reading a previous post, how hard that was to type up with your medical issues. I read each and every post. I only liked your posts because we don't have another option. I left reading your posts with tears in my eyes. I am angry. Sad. Frustrated. And have no answers. I am sorry for your nephew but so happy to read of opportunities given him. I work in a church and live in a red state. I have seen enough filtered through social media that I want to scream to the people around me. Sadly, they wouldn't care nor believe me. I would love for them to be able to read your posts and have changes of hearts. I will continue to keep your family in my prayers. |
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Post by Zee on Jul 29, 2025 3:45:02 GMT
allipeas I just wanted to say, thank you for sharing your perspective in such well-worded posts. I don't even have words. ((Hugs))
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Post by allipeas on Jul 30, 2025 9:24:27 GMT
Oh, allipeas , thank you. I know, from reading a previous post, how hard that was to type up with your medical issues. I read each and every post. I only liked your posts because we don't have another option. I left reading your posts with tears in my eyes. I am angry. Sad. Frustrated. And have no answers. I am sorry for your nephew but so happy to read of opportunities given him. I work in a church and live in a red state. I have seen enough filtered through social media that I want to scream to the people around me. Sadly, they wouldn't care nor believe me. I would love for them to be able to read your posts and have changes of hearts. I will continue to keep your family in my prayers. I read the thread pretty soon after it was posted and it took me some time to even consider responding. My experience is that most people want to "look away" so to speak. Part of me understands that because it's just so horrific...what do you say? For those of us so close to the issue that aren't living in Gaza, it's a constant battle of dealing with it. You want to know what is going on but the images are too much. The daily bodies wrapped in sheets/blankets/plastic...especially the ones that you can tell aren't even shaped like a human body. It's the very small ones that always get me. For many in the Middle East, the grandfather Khaled Nabhan who tenderly held his granddaughter after she died was a big symbol. But once he was killed as well, for so many, the hope died with him. I know so, so, so many people here in the Middle East want to know what is happening, but at the same time, you mentally cannot stay in it. DH has really suffered with depression. He has had to deal with my medical issues, the death of his sweet mother and Gaza. He keeps the news on much of the day. It's hard to ask him not to watch because I know he is drowning in what is happening. So many of us are. I appreciate that you and others recognized how difficult it was to write. First thank God for spell check and all those red lines in Word. I had to write it out that way and then copy and paste. It literally took me a day and a half to write all of that. Especially because I wanted to certain in my wording. I felt compelled to respond. I want to say that I was incorrect in stating that America has never had war on their own soil. I should have stated SINCE the Civil War and most notably in the last 50-75 years, especially. ![]() ![]() |
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Post by iamkristinl16 on Jul 30, 2025 12:32:05 GMT
allipeas what are your/your family members' thoughts on what should happen once there is a ceasefire? Do you agree that Hamas should not play a role in governing Gaza? If so, who? It doesn't really seem like there are any opposition leaders that have emerged and it seems to me like an outside government maybe needs to play a part for a time until that happens? If nothing else, to keep Israel out of Gaza's business, which would also maybe give Israel more reassurance that Hamas was being monitored? Hope that makes sense. I would love to hear other options, though. One aspect of this "war" for lack of a better word, that we don't hear anything about, is what is Hamas doing since October 7? I have not heard of more attacks on Israel and I don't hear about how much Israel thinks they have damaged them. We have a decent estimate of how many troops Russia and Ukraine have lost, but I never hear anything like that about Hamas. Israel also doesn't give any info on what they use as a measuring tool to gauge how close they are to "defeating" Hamas. I think Hamas is more of an idea/ideology than a military presence and the way to defeat that is going to be giving the people an alternative and helping them thrive. But those are just my thoughts. I would be interested to know from someone closer to the situation. ![]()
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Post by allipeas on Jul 30, 2025 19:31:12 GMT
allipeas what are your/your family members' thoughts on what should happen once there is a ceasefire? Do you agree that Hamas should not play a role in governing Gaza? If so, who? It doesn't really seem like there are any opposition leaders that have emerged and it seems to me like an outside government maybe needs to play a part for a time until that happens? If nothing else, to keep Israel out of Gaza's business, which would also maybe give Israel more reassurance that Hamas was being monitored? Hope that makes sense. I would love to hear other options, though. One aspect of this "war" for lack of a better word, that we don't hear anything about, is what is Hamas doing since October 7? I have not heard of more attacks on Israel and I don't hear about how much Israel thinks they have damaged them. We have a decent estimate of how many troops Russia and Ukraine have lost, but I never hear anything like that about Hamas. Israel also doesn't give any info on what they use as a measuring tool to gauge how close they are to "defeating" Hamas. I think Hamas is more of an idea/ideology than a military presence and the way to defeat that is going to be giving the people an alternative and helping them thrive. But those are just my thoughts. I would be interested to know from someone closer to the situation. ![]() I know that NO Palestinians should be forced to relocate. One item in the negotiations was to bring in the boxcars to provide shelter for displaced people to use rather than tents. This was denied by Israel. I firmly believe that the infrastructure has been purposely damaged to such a severe extent as to cause people to leave with the sole intent to absorb and take the rest of Gaza into the lands of Israel. This is what has been done with the Golan Heights in Syria. The military has now seized this area for "security" purposes. After a bit, new settlements will pop up. I don't want Hamas to control Gaza. I don't know of any group that is neutral enough to ensure the safety and rights of the Palestinians. It would HAVE to be an organization/country that has no loyalty to either side. I would say UN Peacekeeping troops, but neither the US or Israel respect the UN, so there is that. Hamas has definitely hit Israel troops, but they (Israel) deny that have suffered very few casualties. From social media and reporters on the ground, you can clearly see tanks being blown up. Even on the other side, it's hard to know just how many Hamas deaths have occurred. It's only the top leaders that have been announced in established media. You are 100% in that Hamas is and ideology that will only grow out of all of this mass killing. It has been mostly women and children that have been killed because of the bombings. Several families huddle together in remaining structures (women and children) while the men go out to look for food and water. Entire families have been wiped out in seconds. What is left are men that have nothing left but rage and anger...a perfect hunting ground for Hamas to gather more and more followers. I have absolutely no idea how Hamas has continued to have weapons. I have heard about the tunnels for years before this war. Are they still working, I really don't know. Just how much is stored in those tunnels, I have no idea either. It is my personal opinion that no matter how hard Israel tries, they will never wipe out Hamas. Even if they were to eradicate every single tunnel and there were no more weapons, after some time, another group will pop up. Because of the sheer amount of death and destruction that has occurred, I don't know that Israel will ever be safe, sadly. Too much blood has been spilled and I know that Palestinians feel as though the world has watched this happen and done nothing. The slaughter and starvation must stop before any solution can start to happen. |
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