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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 13:16:23 GMT
I'm wondering about
1. the state of your marriage and
2. whether you consider if you have "chemistry" with your spouse, and if they feel they have "chemistry" with you.
Please answer if you can, I'm in a bad place and looking for realistic answers.
Thank you very much.
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Post by PinkPrincess77 on Jan 24, 2015 13:26:23 GMT
My husband and I have been married for 10 years. We are friends - that's it. There is no chemistry, no sparks, no electricity. We're friends. That's why we're getting divorced. However, it's an amicable divorce because we ARE friends. We have children and I'll be moving into the house next door. I'm scared to death, as I have never really been on my own since I was 18, but it'll be fine.
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Post by gar on Jan 24, 2015 13:32:27 GMT
We're happily married 24 years in, 30 if you count the living together first.
Chemistry? That's tricky...do we know what each other is thinking? Yes, frequently. Do I look forward to him coming through the door at night? Yes. Are we having sex every 5 mins as were in our early days? No, but that rampant urgency has translated into something calmer, deeply meaningful and loving in a way those early encounters just couldn't have been. I can't answer for him but I'd hazard a guess that it's much the same as I feel.
I'm sorry if you're not happy.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2015 13:35:47 GMT
I'm wondering about 1. the state of your marriage and 2. whether you consider if you have "chemistry" with your spouse, and if they feel they have "chemistry" with you. Please answer if you can, I'm in a bad place and looking for realistic answers. Thank you very much. 1. The state of my marriage is pretty dead at this point. I'm a widow. 2. I still dream about him and think he's right here, still.  I don't know what you have without chemistry. Seriously and no joking. That's very important to me. ETA - What chemistry was between us. An unbreakable bond between us. I fell in love with him every time I saw him. If he entered a room, that's where my eyes went. Every single kiss from the first to the last.... sigh. (not kidding) We went through some very difficult times, and those things never changed. Yes, he felt it too.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 13:41:02 GMT
Maybe I can also ask how you define chemistry and what it looks like. This is very important too.
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Post by njinkerbelle on Jan 24, 2015 13:41:24 GMT
My husband and I have been married for 40 years. We are best friends and enjoy doing many things together but also our time apart doing our own things. The chemistry is strong but as posted above is different and not the same as when we in our twenties. We hold hands and never stop doing nice thoughtful things for each other.
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Post by gar on Jan 24, 2015 13:44:21 GMT
Maybe I can also ask how you define chemistry and what it looks like. This is very important too. Well, what do you define it as?
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2015 13:45:55 GMT
Maybe I can also ask how you define chemistry and what it looks like. This is very important too. If you're together a long time, you are going to have difficult times. You're going to be overworked, you'll neglect time with each other, you're both gonna do things that piss the other one off and sometimes it takes a lot of effort to past all that. No matter how angry either of us was, if I touched him, especially if I kissed him, all of that became much less important because that bond between us was so ..... peaceful, comforting, loving, understanding, solid. ETA - It didn't hurt that he was wicked smart, unusually kind, and had a fantastically dry sense of humor. We could always find something to laugh about, and he would come to me for advice when he had problems at work.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:47:27 GMT
To me "chemistry" with my exDH was that feeling of relief when he got home and I thought ok, now our evening can begin together. We can eat dinner, talk, take a bath together (no it's not sexual) it's custom, and talk to connect with one another. He was the type of person who needed to be touching me all the time. One of us on the couch and the other on the floor maybe but we were always touching. This to me is chemistry. The anticipation of waiting for him to get home and the relief I got once he was home.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 13:51:20 GMT
Heck I don't know. I'm not the unhappy one. My husband of 20+ years had been unhappy for awhile saying that we do not have chemistry. I'm in the camp of thinking that love is a verb and a decision that you make each and every day to show and give to your spouse. I'm very logical and he's more feeling-based. He has moved out two different times, and moved back in from 3 to 6 weeks later. Now, he wants to move out again but take two of our children with him. I'm panic stricken and frantic. I can't make him stay and love me, but I'm so angry that he's putting his personal need for happiness over the well-being of our children. We have 5. We outwardly have it all, and it would be pretty shocking to the children because even when he moved out before, we never told them it was because we were having marital issues, but because he wanted to space to think about things. So, we have a low-conflict marriage and I've read that children of this type of situation don't fair well.
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Post by baslp on Jan 24, 2015 13:52:03 GMT
We have been married 30 yrs. when I feel the chemistry diminishing, I get back in the girl friend mode versus the roommate mode. I just had this little talk w my husband. We need to focus on us more which means he tries to leave work earlier on certain days.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 13:52:48 GMT
To me "chemistry" with my exDH was that feeling of relief when he got home and I thought ok, now our evening can begin together. We can eat dinner, talk, take a bath together (no it's not sexual) it's custom, and talk to connect with one another. He was the type of person who needed to be touching me all the time. One of us on the couch and the other on the floor maybe but we were always touching. This to me is chemistry. The anticipation of waiting for him to get home and the relief I got once he was home. May I ask what happened why it didn't work? I'm sorry, that's personal, if you don't want to answer, that's totally fine.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 13:56:07 GMT
I needed to come home to my own country (we had this in our marriage agreement). When it came time, he wouldn't come to live here. (We found him a great job, in his field, doing work way better than he was doing there, business trips back to Japan, great salary etc. but he didn't want to leave.) I gave it a year. I said ok I have had enough and good bye. That was the end. We still loved each other and everything. He just wouldn't move here.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 13:57:25 GMT
To me, we have this little thing if we get mad at one another, the other person will approach the person and touch him with one finger. It never fails to melt my heart. We have been through a lot - he has had affairs (at least one physical, other emotional) and I keep choosing to love him and trying to make it work. We made that commitment at the alter and now we have 5 children that didn't ask for any of this. I feel like he's just lost and somehow, I can reach that person that I married. He's a good man, just not a good husband right now.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2015 14:01:12 GMT
Heck I don't know. I'm not the unhappy one. My husband of 20+ years had been unhappy for awhile saying that we do not have chemistry. I'm in the camp of thinking that love is a verb and a decision that you make each and every day to show and give to your spouse. I'm very logical and he's more feeling-based. He has moved out two different times, and moved back in from 3 to 6 weeks later. Now, he wants to move out again but take two of our children with him. I'm panic stricken and frantic. I can't make him stay and love me, but I'm so angry that he's putting his personal need for happiness over the well-being of our children. We have 5. We outwardly have it all, and it would be pretty shocking to the children because even when he moved out before, we never told them it was because we were having marital issues, but because he wanted to space to think about things. So, we have a low-conflict marriage and I've read that children of this type of situation don't fair well. I'm sorry. {{{{Hugs}}}} Men (a lot of men) get very very stupid after 20+ years. I kid you not, they go through a second hormonal change that I call male menopause, and they can be horrible. I don't wish what you're going through on any woman/family, and all I can tell you is to prepare yourself for a very bumpy ride. This could get a lot worse before it gets better. I really do hate to say it, but I won't lie to you. You need to believe that he's intent on putting space between you right now, and he might never be able to even tell you why.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 14:01:21 GMT
He's the sole provider of a very nice lifestyle, and of course that is scary to me as well, not to have that. That is last on my list, though, because I have urged him to quit his extremely time consuming and stressful job in order to work on us, because to me, our family is the most important thing there is and I would do ANYTHING to make it good. I"m not saying that we should settle, but that we should make it good, because I believe (again, logical here) that if two people want the same thing, they can make it happen. We have the resources, and I have the determination, but I can't make him find his.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Jan 24, 2015 14:01:45 GMT
1. Married for 12 years (going on 13) and together since our first date March 2000.
2. I think in a lot of ways we are very compatible but the differences we have really came to light once we had kids. Being parents has changed everything. Our boys are 5 years apart (10 yrs & 5 yrs) and we are constantly pulled in different directions. He works a lot of hours in the state next to us. We have very little alone time together, even alone time to discuss things like home repairs, saving money, budget, etc. We have "adapted" to the way things are, but some days I question how we got here. Sparks? Not all the time mostly because when we do see each other, I am exhausted. His schedule is not mine and the boys schedule. Also he doesn't have a type of job I can call and text him multiple times a day. Somedays I will go from 9 am - 7:30pm not talking to him at all just because of his schedule. When he gets home, we are doing the kids bedtime and then he hasn't eaten dinner. Every once in a while we are on the same page and that is good thing, otherwise, it would be like we are roommates. If you asked him, I think he would say everything is great and he is satisfied with the way it is. And seriously I am not being naïve about this, it is his personality. He does not like change and this is the schedule he has worked since graduating from college.
In all of my "adult" life, I have never believed there is just one person out there. There always might be the one you feel that got away or one true love, but I think there is more than one person out there for everyone. I dated a lot of people before my dh and lived on my own (with and without roommates) for many years. I think timing of meeting the person you marry has a lot to do with it. I think chemistry of the two people is important, but I also feel like how you can tolerate living under the same roof with someone is a whole other story. I think it is very hard to live in and share a household.
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2015 14:06:03 GMT
He's the sole provider of a very nice lifestyle, and of course that is scary to me as well, not to have that. That is last on my list, though, because I have urged him to quit his extremely time consuming and stressful job in order to work on us, because to me, our family is the most important thing there is and I would do ANYTHING to make it good. I"m not saying that we should settle, but that we should make it good, because I believe (again, logical here) that if two people want the same thing, they can make it happen. We have the resources, and I have the determination, but I can't make him find his. Check into male menopause and you will find a lot of stories just like what you are describing.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 14:06:11 GMT
1. Married for 12 years (going on 13) and together since our first date March 2000. 2. I think in a lot of ways we are very compatible but the differences we have really came to light once we had kids. Being parents has changed everything. Our boys are 5 years apart (10 yrs & 5 yrs) and we are constantly pulled in different directions. He works a lot of hours in the state next to us. We have very little alone time together, even alone time to discuss things like home repairs, saving money, budget, etc. We have "adapted" to the way things are, but some days I question how we got here. Sparks? Not all the time mostly because when we do see each other, I am exhausted. His schedule is not mine and the boys schedule. Also he doesn't have a type of job I can call and text him multiple times a day. Somedays I will go from 9 am - 7:30pm not talking to him at all just because of his schedule. When he gets home, we are doing the kids bedtime and then he hasn't eaten dinner. Every once in a while we are on the same page and that is good thing, otherwise, it would be like we are roommates. If you asked him, I think he would say everything is great and he is satisfied with the way it is. And seriously I am not being naïve about this, it is his personality. He does not like change and this is the schedule he has worked since graduating from college. In all of my "adult" life, I have never believed there is just one person out there. There always might be the one you feel that got away or one true love, but I think there is more than one person out there for everyone. I dated a lot of people before my dh and lived on my own (with and without roommates) for many years. I think timing of meeting the person you marry has a lot to do with it. I think chemistry of the two people is important, but I also feel like how you can tolerate living under the same roof with someone is a whole other story. I think it is very hard to live in and share a household.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 14:07:12 GMT
1. Married for 12 years (going on 13) and together since our first date March 2000. 2. I think in a lot of ways we are very compatible but the differences we have really came to light once we had kids. Being parents has changed everything. Our boys are 5 years apart (10 yrs & 5 yrs) and we are constantly pulled in different directions. He works a lot of hours in the state next to us. We have very little alone time together, even alone time to discuss things like home repairs, saving money, budget, etc. We have "adapted" to the way things are, but some days I question how we got here. Sparks? Not all the time mostly because when we do see each other, I am exhausted. His schedule is not mine and the boys schedule. Also he doesn't have a type of job I can call and text him multiple times a day. Somedays I will go from 9 am - 7:30pm not talking to him at all just because of his schedule. When he gets home, we are doing the kids bedtime and then he hasn't eaten dinner. Every once in a while we are on the same page and that is good thing, otherwise, it would be like we are roommates. If you asked him, I think he would say everything is great and he is satisfied with the way it is. And seriously I am not being naïve about this, it is his personality. He does not like change and this is the schedule he has worked since graduating from college. In all of my "adult" life, I have never believed there is just one person out there. There always might be the one you feel that got away or one true love, but I think there is more than one person out there for everyone. I dated a lot of people before my dh and lived on my own (with and without roommates) for many years. I think timing of meeting the person you marry has a lot to do with it. I think chemistry of the two people is important, but I also feel like how you can tolerate living under the same roof with someone is a whole other story. I think it is very hard to live in and share a household.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 14:07:55 GMT
We live together extremely well, and we are very compatible. We run like two well-greased wheels. He can objectively say I"m 95% the perfect wife, but he wants to destroy our family because to him, we seem to be missing that 5% he considers "chemistry."
I was trying to quote you Mrsscrapdiva, but I can't figure it out.
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 14:08:07 GMT
If he isn't a good husband right now, could he be after he gets counselling and figures out why he needs to seek out other women? (I am not saying stay and work it out, I am not saying leave him either...those are YOUR choices to make, obviously). If you are still in love with him, and he is still in love with you, I would try to make it work. (If you didn't love him anymore then why bother right, it would be done anyway). Seeing how you have affection for him, history and the kids show him the door to counselling then reevaluate. (Do you meditate? I highly recommend it. I learned to do this when I was young...it's very easy. Sit on the floor with your legs crossed. Your hands on your knees resting quietly and just breathe. Think of nothing for 5 or 10 minutes. (or as long as you can...2 minutes is fine if that's all the peace you can get). Just practice every day. Totally clear your mind of all thoughts. Even if you are angry want REALLY want to throw something at him, clear your mind and breathe. THEN once you are done think about what you want to do. (I am not saying this is easy. It isn't. It is very, very hard. I wanted to kick and scream at him!!!!!!!) but that isn't going to help. If you can stay calm and clear headed, just for those couple of minutes, the clarity will help you decide what you need to do.
Good luck!
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Post by leftturnonly on Jan 24, 2015 14:10:06 GMT
We live together extremely well, and we are very compatible. We run like two well-greased wheels. He can objectively say I"m 95% the perfect wife, but he wants to destroy our family because to him, we seem to be missing that 5% he considers "chemistry." I was trying to quote you Mrsscrapdiva, but I can't figure it out. I know this is horrific for you. {{{Hugs}}}
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 14:14:01 GMT
My marriage is rock solid. We've only been married for two years but this is the second marriage for both of us and we are in our forties. So, we knew coming in what a blessing we were to each other and how precious our marriage is because we both had prior bad marriages to compare to.
Chemistry has changed over the two years and I think that it should. We started with not being able to get enough of each other and wanting bedroom time just about every night.
Now...we still want and have bedroom time but as another poster said...it is deeply intimate and soul affirming, although not quite as often.
We both truly enjoy the company of the other. When I leave for work in the morning, I think to myself that I can't wait to get back him and see him at the end of the day.
Like another poster said...we are always touching each other in some way. If I come home from work stressed, it takes only the touch of his hand to calm me down. We truly have an intimate connection with one another.
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Post by pinetree on Jan 24, 2015 14:18:03 GMT
We have tried counseling in the past but it never worked. To HIM, he feels like he has tried, but he hasn't done what was recommended - how to reestablish trust, reigniting the flame, spending time together, prioritizing each other, etc. Now, the reasons we haven't tried aren't on my account, he just doesn't feel like they work, so he doesn't do them. UGHHHHHHHHHH, so frustrating. He's obviously very stubborn. I want to go to a four day marriage retreat but he doesn't want to. It's like he's checked out of our marriage and he refuses to look back. How can he throw our children under the bus for this when we have the world at our feet? I hate that this is a unilateral decision that one person gets to make and the other person has absolutely no say in the matter. Why do I have to share my children when I will do anything to save this marriage and make it work???
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 14:19:42 GMT
The 5% chemistry that is missing...has he told you what exactly he means by that chemistry. We assume that because he is a man that it means sex, but sex in what aspect? Does he want more sex or sex with more sauciness? Maybe that is his default answer because he feels that it is the societal norm. He is a man...he should want more sex. But that may not be the case...
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 24, 2015 14:21:35 GMT
Heck I don't know. I'm not the unhappy one. My husband of 20+ years had been unhappy for awhile saying that we do not have chemistry. I'm in the camp of thinking that love is a verb and a decision that you make each and every day to show and give to your spouse. I'm very logical and he's more feeling-based. He has moved out two different times, and moved back in from 3 to 6 weeks later. Now, he wants to move out again but take two of our children with him. I'm panic stricken and frantic. I can't make him stay and love me, but I'm so angry that he's putting his personal need for happiness over the well-being of our children. We have 5. We outwardly have it all, and it would be pretty shocking to the children because even when he moved out before, we never told them it was because we were having marital issues, but because he wanted to space to think about things. So, we have a low-conflict marriage and I've read that children of this type of situation don't fair well. Sounds as though he has some issues and could use some therapy! Have you asked him what specifically he thinks chemistry between you two should look like? Almost sounds to me like he's unhappy with himself and not taking responsibility but projecting that onto the relationship. Ask me how I know that one  I find it curious that he wants to take 2 of the 5 children. How does that work in his mind? Which two is he "taking" and what reason has he chosen the two he's choosing? That part to me is pretty crazy to me. I've not heard of dividing up the kids. I'm interesting in reading about male menopause myself, but definitely sounds like he could use some counseling. And honestly you probably should get some too, this is a very stressful situation to be dealing with. ((hugs))
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jan 24, 2015 14:26:34 GMT
We have tried counseling in the past but it never worked. To HIM, he feels like he has tried, but he hasn't done what was recommended - how to reestablish trust, reigniting the flame, spending time together, prioritizing each other, etc. Now, the reasons we haven't tried aren't on my account, he just doesn't feel like they work, so he doesn't do them. UGHHHHHHHHHH, so frustrating. He's obviously very stubborn. I want to go to a four day marriage retreat but he doesn't want to. It's like he's checked out of our marriage and he refuses to look back. How can he throw our children under the bus for this when we have the world at our feet? I hate that this is a unilateral decision that one person gets to make and the other person has absolutely no say in the matter. Why do I have to share my children when I will do anything to save this marriage and make it work??? Seems like he isn't willing to change, but wants to blame. I really think you should get into individual therapy and decide how to proceed with YOUR life. When someone isn't meeting you halfway, you really need a support system as you decide where to go from here.
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Post by mrsscrapdiva on Jan 24, 2015 14:34:59 GMT
That was my first thought too. Like is he looking for hot, steamy, makeout at a drop of a hat in the kitchen, type passion you see in movies? Maybe he is searching for that butterflies in your stomach like when you are first dating someone new? Is he looking for someone that completely "gets him" and he doesn't have to explain himself? If I was in this situation, I feel like I wouldn't be satisfied until I heard from him, in his own words, what he means by chemistry.
ETA: Does it seem like a mid-life crisis that he is going thru? Have you been together for a long time?
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Post by Deleted on Jan 24, 2015 14:34:57 GMT
Then I don't know what his idea of "chemistry" is. Me it is anticipation and relief at the end of the day.
Can you ask him what chemistry is to him?
I had a university friend from a few years ago. She had just had a baby and she felt she "was still fat from the baby and unattractive" which was totally untrue. I asked her what her husband thought...she said oh he grabs my a$$ and tells me I am beautiful every single day. So the problem lies with her and not him. This to me shows that they still have "chemistry".
Sit him down, kids in bed or at sleep overs or somewhere and ask him what he wants you to do. Does he want you to leave? (You aren't going to but you at least know what he wants). Then we'll know what he is thinking... Maybe he wants to work on it. Maybe he wants you to try different sex? I honestly don't know...it could be a number of things. Talk to him and see what he says.
(I had a beautiful friend, she has a beautiful husband, they had a beautiful house, in a beautiful neighbourhood, they had a beautiful life, they had beautiful routines together, their lives were beautiful when one day he said he started wanted to do BDSM with her and she went NO, NOT NOW and NOT EVER. GET OUT. GET OUT NOW. (this is what she told me...) She aged about 40 years in 2 years. She didn't look healthy anymore. The stress of the breakup took its toll on her. She is happy as she got rid of him because that was right for HER. She looks so sad as they were just the most beautiful couple, but you don't know what goes on behind closed doors. She is still beautiful but the sadness is in her eyes.
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