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Post by anxiousmom on Feb 1, 2015 22:32:35 GMT
I guess I am not the one to ask as I see no problem with it. In fact, if it were me, I would probably zip over to party city and pick up something valentinish and use it as part of the decorating.
But I also come from a family that routinely uses the heavier paper plates for holidays-none of us want to be stuck in the kitchen cleaning up instead of spending time with family-so paper plates help the clean up crew go faster.
I don't have a problem with the idea of the dinner you are talking about using paper plates-as long as they aren't those white ones that are tissue paper thin-they don't work very well.
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Post by luvnlifelady on Feb 1, 2015 22:37:56 GMT
I wouldn't mind but I understand your concern. My SIL uses nice paper plates for Thanksgiving and it all comes together beautifully. However, if you are using the cheap stuff, then I would feel awkward being associated with it if I were you. For holiday meals in someone's home, I do expect real plates. I don't mind paper for a "nice" holiday meal someone else is hosting (or myself for that matter). I'd rather do that and have time to chat rather than have someone (or multiple people) having to wash up nice dishes afterwards. We don't see each other often and my preference is to use the limited time for socializing rather than cleaning. Yes, you can chat and clean, but it's not the same.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 22:38:47 GMT
Have you all checked criagslist for plates and flatware. Even a restaurant supply company might have inexpensive dishes. If you are a member of the church can you "tithe" more dishes to the kitchen? It's also not very good stewardship to use so many disposables. If I was in charge of it, I would find a way. I don't want to step on their toes though and they have decided to go with the paper plates. I don't want to make things any harder for them by not letting it go, KWIM? I will do my best to create an elegant atmosphere, I was just very disappointed that the table will lose a lot of that elegance with the paper plates and that's why I'm venting. The church discourages tithing in such a way as it could create problems with people using their tithe the wrong way.
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Post by Basket1lady on Feb 1, 2015 22:42:03 GMT
I will always choose real dinnerware over plastic, formal or not. But If the budget isn't there, I would not go over budget for real dinnerware. And I'm assuming the cost has already been advertised. I'm sure they are trying to keep the cost as low as possible so that more people can afford to attend. I think you have three choices 1. Buy the plates yourself and consider it a donation to the church. 2. Offer some money from your decorating budget to buy the plates 3. Let it go.
The thing is that churches are funded by its community. Budgets are good things and people like to see the money being spent responsibly. If the majority of the people consider paper ok, then just let it go. Or donate the plates. Think about it--if they had charged another $10 a plate, it would have been another $20 for you and your DH to attend. So it's really only $30 you are out. And several hundred dollars for decorations is a lot. My mom does a Knights of Columbus dinner every year. She has bought potted miniature roses, made sugar cookies on skewers and put them in a vase, and sprayed branches silver and sprinkled glitter over them and put them in vases. All for less than $10 a table (heck, the branches were free, as the KCs had vases already.). But maybe you have a ton of tables.
I do a lot of decorating things like this for the church, scouts, or school events. Usually I just do what I want and consider the cost my contribution to the organization. It's just easier for me. But we do put less in the collection every week as well. To me, it all balances out.
ETA: I'm cooking and thinking about this. Surely they are going to spend about $50 buying paperware? Why not just buy regular plates?
i know you are venting here, but please be very careful judging the people coordinating this. It's incredibly hard to do a cost analysis and plan a big event like this if you aren't used to doing that sort of thing. Or even if you are used to it! There are so many details and no one wants to pay any more than they have to.
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Post by gorgeouskid on Feb 1, 2015 22:58:46 GMT
I don't equate formal with disposable plates and utensils. I see those as casual and sporty.
If they're going the extra mile, they should use real plates and utensils. Anything else screams cheap to me. (And wasteful.)
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:02:03 GMT
I will always choose real dinnerware over plastic, formal or not. But If the budget isn't there, I would not go over budget for real dinnerware. And I'm assuming the cost has already been advertised. I'm sure they are trying to keep the cost as low as possible so that more people can afford to attend. I think you have three choices 1. Buy the plates yourself and consider it a donation to the church. 2. Offer some money from your decorating budget to buy the plates 3. Let it go. The thing is that churches are funded by its community. Budgets are good things and people like to see the money being spent responsibly. If the majority of the people consider paper ok, then just let it go. Or donate the plates. Think about it--if they had charged another $10 a plate, it would have been another $20 for you and your DH to attend. So it's really only $30 you are out. And several hundred dollars for decorations is a lot. My mom does a Knights of Columbus dinner every year. She has bought potted miniature roses, made sugar cookies on skewers and put them in a vase, and sprayed branches silver and sprinkled glitter over them and put them in vases. All for less than $10 a table (heck, the branches were free, as the KCs had vases already.). But maybe you have a ton of tables. I do a lot of decorating things like this for the church, scouts, or school events. Usually I just do what I want and consider the cost my contribution to the organization. It's just easier for me. But we do put less in the collection every week as well. To me, it all balances out. ETA: I'm cooking and thinking about this. Surely they are going to spend about $50 buying paperware? Why not just buy regular plates? i know you are venting here, but please be very careful judging the people coordinating this. It's incredibly hard to do a cost analysis and plan a big event like this if you aren't used to doing that sort of thing. Or even if you are used to it! There are so many details and no one wants to pay any more than they have to. Thank you for your perspective. I have actually chosen door #3 I needed a vent, it was still sitting fresh when I posted. Thank you everyone for sharing your thoughts and allowing my little unimportant pity party.
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Post by cycworker on Feb 1, 2015 23:31:47 GMT
II feel like if you don't have the budget to do it right ... Don't do it ... Have a simple dinner or event like a BBQ or potluck... I hate half don't events... What's the point? And it cheapens your hard work. Thank you, this is exactly how I feel about it. I was asked to be their decorator because they know my work is elegant and it's in tune with what they're wanting. I actually wish I could decline the job now. I don't want my name attached to a dinner that was supposed to be formal but served on paper plates... Why can't you? Are you volunteering or did you sign a contract? If you didn't sign a contract, I'd just politely tell them that you think it best you step away, as your visions for the event appear to be so different. For what it's worth, I think you're right. Paper plates are tacky in this case.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 1, 2015 23:38:59 GMT
I will loan you a hundred plates.
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Post by bigbundt on Feb 2, 2015 0:44:45 GMT
If I was an attendee I would probably give it the side eye for about 2 seconds and then forget it if the rest of the event is a success. I guess there is a little leeway (to me) because it is church function and I know the event would probably be done on a strict budget and not for profit.
However if it bugs you so much, just foot the cost to rent the dishes. My local rental store charges $.50 a plate so you would be looking at $25-$30 which is nothing, especially if you split the cost with others who are also bugged about it. Or perhaps offer to find more plates for free. Are there other churches who have plates that might be willing to let you guys borrow them?
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 0:59:42 GMT
Have you looked at Goodwill for plates? They usually run about fifty cents a plate. You might be able to work something out with mixing patterns and creating a beautiful tablescape for Valentine's day. Go for creams, whites, silvers and come up with a neutral color palate for the plates and fill in with what you have. Then put the color in the flowers and napkins.
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Post by Rachel on Feb 2, 2015 1:00:51 GMT
DH and I went to KFC last night and our food was served on styrofoam plates (we ate inside). My thought was tacky even thought I don't know what the options for fast food would be lol I wouldn't go for paper/plastic/styrofoam at a formal event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:12:44 GMT
DH and I went to KFC last night and our food was served on styrofoam plates (we ate inside). My thought was tacky even thought I don't know what the options for fast food would be lol I wouldn't go for paper/plastic/styrofoam at a formal event. I got such a kick out of going to KFC in Germany and eating on real plates.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:13:48 GMT
Is there any way 4+ of the ladies on the committee can bring 8-10 plates each to supplement those the church already has? No they may not all match, but you could mix a few per table with the churches (which I assume would be pretty standard/plain anyway).
That said, I've been to a lot of church functions/dinners and rarely do we use anything that is not disposable. We just don't have the time/space/energy to wash/dry and store enough to have nice ones. But most of the churches I've been to have less than 300 members.
But I am not big of formality...even if dressed up.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Feb 2, 2015 1:23:05 GMT
I don't know why they wouldn1't borrow them, at no cost, if the church has all but 50 plates.
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Post by moveablefeast on Feb 2, 2015 1:27:17 GMT
Our church dinners always use disposable table settings. We don't have the volume of real to feed everybody. We were gifted a lovely set of flatware that is almost sufficient but not enough plates or glasses.
I guess we we could rent them but realistically, for a one-off event, disposable is more economical. If we did dinners regularly it might make sense to own a large enough set. But we are talking about a dime for a heavy disposable plate vs. a dollar a plate to rent plus delivery fees, dish washing, etc.
i don't go to church dinners for the finery, and I am easy to please. Disposable is totally good enough for me.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:39:48 GMT
No I'm good
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:45:38 GMT
Thank you, this is exactly how I feel about it. I was asked to be their decorator because they know my work is elegant and it's in tune with what they're wanting. I actually wish I could decline the job now. I don't want my name attached to a dinner that was supposed to be formal but served on paper plates... Why can't you? Are you volunteering or did you sign a contract? If you didn't sign a contract, I'd just politely tell them that you think it best you step away, as your visions for the event appear to be so different. For what it's worth, I think you're right. Paper plates are tacky in this case. I volunteered, but I would feel bad if I backed out so close to the event. I talked to one of the committee members this afternoon about an unrelated topic, and the plates issue came up. None of the committee members want to use paper plates, but their hands are a bit tied. They've tried to come up with a few ideas, but nothing has worked out. I gave her her a few suggestions, check if a local restaurant would rent theirs to us, perhaps another church would be willing to lend us 50, etc. we'll see if any of it works out. But it does sound like we'll use real cutlery, so that's a step up I guess. Unless they don't have enough of those either, lol. I am trying to be careful and not make them feel like I'm stepping on their toes, even though the table setting is definitely entangled with decorating. I'm trying to let it go. In the grand scheme of life it's not a big deal, but the decorator in me is hyperventilating, lol.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:47:57 GMT
tinyt: my post was condescending and I could have made my point without. My apologies.
Good luck with your event.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:51:02 GMT
I don't know why they wouldn1't borrow them, at no cost, if the church has all but 50 plates. I think it might be because the committee sees paper plates as an option, so the idea of bothering to rent, and return them seems less feasible than using paper plates. To me, paper plates (in this scenario) are not an option. I'm sure I'll be chatting with my SIL this week, I'll bring it up but not sure it'll fly.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Feb 2, 2015 1:54:00 GMT
I wouldn't recommend it.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:54:39 GMT
tinyt: my post was condescending and I could have made my point without. My apologies. Good luck with your event. Thank you, and I humbly accept your apology and I'll add one of my own. Reading my own words, I should have waited until I wasn't feeling so upset about it. We are going to go there to have a fun, Christ filled event, and I sounded like a snob. Not my intentions and I apologize.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 1:55:11 GMT
You know I just thought of one other thing. Our church holds several food events a year, two of which are very large scale productions. Over the last couple of years I've been volunteering at the two larger events and have learned that a *lot* of things are mandated by the local health department. A lot of things we wouldn't normally consider is a huge deal with the inspectors. We can't afford to be shut down so those rules are followed to the letter.
I wonder if this has anything to do with the choice being made.? Again just a thought.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 2:58:52 GMT
You know, there must be plenty of people in your church wanting to get rid of their wedding china.
Put a notice in the bulletin asking for it.
Buying dishes at a thrift store is cheaper than buying paper plates.
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Post by jackietex on Feb 2, 2015 3:26:09 GMT
I would be disappointed if I went to your home for a formal dinner and you served on disposables, but I'd not be bothered by a church.
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Post by rockymtnpea on Feb 2, 2015 3:29:28 GMT
Hmmmm when I think of formal I also don't think of mismatched table settings either. In fairness I have no idea if this is what your church hAs but if someone is running out and buying another set (s) of dishes it is likely.
Further, someone or several someone's get the joy of cleaning up all those dishes which means they get to miss out on the fun and fellowship. (Unless you bring in the kids to do it) that doesn't sound very nice either.
That said...the food and the way it tastes is much more important to me then what it is served on.
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Post by M in Carolina on Feb 2, 2015 3:56:34 GMT
What colour are your church dishes?
I have a 13 piece cream and gold fine china set as well as other sets that coordinate. I'm sure there's other people in the church that also have nice plates that could be borrowed.
I agree that paper is wasteful, and you'll need more plates for other events as well down the road.
Totally opposite of your problem, my MIL insisted on making dh and my rehearsal dinner "formal" even though we were at the beach and she was serving BBQ. She rented plates from a local company, and they delivered and picked up, including washing---the church basement where my MIL had the dinner only had a kitchenette, and there was no room for them to wash the dishes. We had about 50 people.
One other thing you might not think about. If you use balloons for decorations, get the non-latex ones. There are lots of people with severe latex allergies, and the balloons can be a big problem.
I'd love to see photos of what you do! My mom did her church's sanctuary flowers every week as well as holiday decorations. She's done gorgeous things. One cool thing she does is clip greenery for arrangements from plants in her yard and others. You can also get better prices on flowers from floral supply houses and even order roses from Sam's Club or Costco. My SIL did that for her February wedding and had the most gorgeous two tone terra cotta roses for under $30.
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Post by mcscrapper on Feb 2, 2015 3:56:43 GMT
Does your church have a stash of table ware? I've known several churches large and small that have their own. I would also suggest renting plates or asking around to other churches to see if you could borrow some. If it is a catered deal, the caterer may have his/her own plates or may have access to some. You could also check with a local restaurant supplier and see if they have something inexpensive to buy.
I personally think paper plates at a formal event is kind of cheap.
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 2, 2015 7:10:25 GMT
No from me. I would be pretty pissed off to turn up at what I understood to be a formal event, to find my food served on a paper plate. Casual event, then yes.
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Post by Why on Feb 2, 2015 10:13:20 GMT
I have been involved in non-profit events in the past and several times we were in need of dishes and table linens. We contacted a large hotel in the area (think it was a Holiday Inn but others would do) and they were willing to loan us everything we needed. We picked it up then washed the dishes and returned them. They did not expect us to clean the linens, just returned them bundled up and ready for the laundry. If you (or someone) made a few phone calls you would have the information to pass on. Might be worth a try.
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Post by leftturnonly on Feb 2, 2015 10:31:00 GMT
We wouldn't be using fancy china or special cutlery. Just the regular stuff the church kitchen has. The only problem had been that the kitchen was running low on plates and needed to go buy another 50 to which they baulked, apparently paper is fine to them. There would be enough dishwashers, so that's not the issue. Just a bunch of people who don't have a stylish bone in their body and can't see that it doesn't go with the formal feeling. For the price of a few of these meals in paper, I should think they could replace the missing plates and be done with it. There should be some wholesale restaurant places where you could get them. That cost should come out of a different budget than the one for the event, btw. Maybe the church could do a super fast fundraiser or see if a few people will donate specifically for the dishes which will remain the property of the church.
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