MizIndependent
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Post by MizIndependent on Feb 2, 2015 19:32:11 GMT
Well...using the same line of logic, since it's your refrigerator, you shouldn't have to stock it. But that would affect her too (and the rest of the family) but DS not making his bed doesn't affect anyone. Ah...but it does affect her - that's why she's posting. And further, it will affect future roommates, girlfriends, future wife. My nephew (19), until recently, also didn't see the need to clean up after himself. The mentality soon went beyond his room into the living room, the bathroom and the kitchen. He was so inconsiderate that it caused a very serious rift in his relationship with my sister. What seems to have fixed it is quite unexpected. His best friend (with his own family troubles) suddenly found himself without a place to live and so my sister and nephew invited him to stay. It was the friend who was finally able to effectively call nephew out on his bs and inconsideration. Since he's been staying there, nephew is treating my sister with a lot more respect and is cleaning up after himself, completely. So, while the bed making thing might not affect the rest of the house directly now, it could quite possibly affect them all later.
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Post by missysauter on Feb 2, 2015 19:36:14 GMT
If he followed the more important rules, I'd let him decide on that one. Is their food in his room? (mold, dirt, pests) Are their clothes and junk all over the floor? (night time tripping hazards). Is his TV/computer/phone off by 10:30 p.m. (not enough rest for school). If he follows those rules, then go for it. No food in his room. Nothing makes it past the staircase. He has small "organized" piles of stuff on the floor. A pile of althetics clothes. A pile of pajamas with robe. A pile with notebooks. No TV/computer/phone in his room. All of that gets left downstairs when he goes to bed and he goes to bed at 9:00 because that kid requires lots of sleep. I can always go with the - don't look, don't ask philiosphy!
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Post by momof3pits on Feb 2, 2015 19:39:57 GMT
Not a hill I would die on. I only sporadically make my bed so it would be hypocritical. However, if you make your bed and have asked that he make his, then he should respect that. It only takes 2 minutes.
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Post by Tamhugh on Feb 2, 2015 19:47:21 GMT
I always use the "doing this for my future son-in-law trick"! My daughters leave stuff all over the floor! Usually, about 15 items of clothing on the floor at all times. And I don't think they have ever made their beds! I tell them that I am doing my future son-in-law a favor by teaching them to do these things! They mow the grass, and shovel, but they are slobs inside the house. There are two boys interested in my 15 yr. old right now, and she tells me they are both neat freaks! I really wish she would date one of them, they could teach her how to clean her room and pick up her stuff. I'm just going to point out that it's really gross to teach your daughters that they should do things to impress a man. They should do things because they want to do them, not because a man wants them to do them. See, I didn't take it to be them learning it to impress men but so that they don't have male and female chores when they are married. But that may be because my MIL had all boys and she taught them how to do all of the traditional "wife" jobs so they would never be able to expect their wife to do them all.
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Post by maryland on Feb 2, 2015 19:51:19 GMT
I'm just going to point out that it's really gross to teach your daughters that they should do things to impress a man. They should do things because they want to do them, not because a man wants them to do them. Wow, I was just joking! I want her to do it for me! I said "TEACH HER" meaning teach her how to be neat. And that is a good thing. My other daughter has a good friend (girl) and I was thrilled that she became friends with. This girl got my daughter interested in science and into a science honor society. Is that bad, or not because it's a girl that she was influenced by. I am sitting here crying because someone I don't know thinks I am gross. Wow, I am shaking right now. You all must think I am a horrible person;. I have never felt so bad on these boards. I will take a break from posting. I am obviously not good at explaining things.
I am so sorry to everyone I have offended. I am not gross.
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Post by maryland on Feb 2, 2015 19:54:15 GMT
I'm just going to point out that it's really gross to teach your daughters that they should do things to impress a man. They should do things because they want to do them, not because a man wants them to do them. See, I didn't take it to be them learning it to impress men but so that they don't have male and female chores when they are married. But that may be because my MIL had all boys and she taught them how to do all of the traditional "wife" jobs so they would never be able to expect their wife to do them all. That's exactly what I meant. I seems that it's okay to complain about boys and to make them learn to do things so it will help women out. But it's not ok to teach girls to do things to help men out. Thanks for helping me out! I do think I need to take a break from these boards because people get mad when I say anything in favor of a male.
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Post by gar on Feb 2, 2015 19:58:53 GMT
But that would affect her too (and the rest of the family) but DS not making his bed doesn't affect anyone. Ah...but it does affect her - that's why she's posting. And further, it will affect future roommates, girlfriends, future wife. My nephew (19), until recently, also didn't see the need to clean up after himself. The mentality soon went beyond his room into the living room, the bathroom and the kitchen. He was so inconsiderate that it caused a very serious rift in his relationship with my sister. What seems to have fixed it is quite unexpected. His best friend (with his own family troubles) suddenly found himself without a place to live and so my sister and nephew invited him to stay. It was the friend who was finally able to effectively call nephew out on his bs and inconsideration. Since he's been staying there, nephew is treating my sister with a lot more respect and is cleaning up after himself, completely. So, while the bed making thing might not affect the rest of the house directly now, it could quite possibly affect them all later. Ok ...but she's not terribly affected and seems to not want to be bothered by it so....not quite like having an empty fridge And yes, it MAY affect future relationships but it also may not. Your example is of a generally inconsiderate young man by the sound of it which is not how the OP speaks of her son and it's not a case of him not clearing up after himself at all, just not making his bed. I wouldn't imagine that 'generally' letting that chore go is going to lead to serious family rifts.
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Post by ilikepink on Feb 2, 2015 20:09:10 GMT
You have to chose your battles with teens. My boys were slobs as teens. I was way more focused on their schoolwork, sports and scout activities to care too much about the condition of their rooms. I'd go ballistic monthly, and the clean would last about 24 hours. They all knew how to make a bed, do the laundry, vacuum, etc - and that was specifically for my future DILs. The "dumb" factor is strong in their gene pool from their dad, so I made sure my DIL wouldn't think of me what I thought of my MIL. As men in their 20s, their homes/rooms aren't what I would like, but certainly an improvement over the cleanliness of their rooms at 14.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on Feb 2, 2015 20:13:52 GMT
My bed is split, and my dh obsessively makes up his half every morning. Even when I'm asleep and he knows that fluffing the sheets up wakes me up. I don't sleep well.
He's so amazing at so many things, that I don't complain unless I'm really exhausted and haven't slept for days.
I only have a duvet so there's not much to make up. My bed adjusts for sitting, and this is where I spend my days.
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Post by pealikecrazy on Feb 2, 2015 20:16:04 GMT
Maryland, don't get your feelings hurt...sometimes things on this board seem so harsh. At our house, we don't "regularly" make the beds...I do, in mine and my hubby's room, but the kids?...nahhhh. However, on Saturday, they have to clean their rooms and sweep (we have dogs and there is dog-hair to deal with) and this includes, doing laundry, sheets, etc and making the bed. They do make their beds on Saturday.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Feb 2, 2015 20:52:11 GMT
It is not simply a matter of personal preference, there is more to making your bed everyday. Adm McRaven's speech, full text and video
That said, we got our kids comforters, a fitted bottom sheet and pillow cases, making the bed was "easy" shake the comforter.
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Post by melanell on Feb 2, 2015 21:03:20 GMT
I wouldn't care if he made his bed. Nor would I care if he slept under the sheets or on top of them. There are probably a couple dozen other things that DS does that I would put ahead of bed-making on the problem/issues/annoyances list. To me this is a set an example issue. We taught him how to make his bed and I'm sure you taught Nick. We make our beds, and you state that you make yours. So, the example has been set. Now, I also see it as "natural consequence" situation. If someone visits your/our home, and sees your/our room, they see a neatly made bed. If Nick's/DS's friends see his room, and someone comments on the bed in a negative way, then that is the natural consequence. If friends don't go into bedrooms in your home, then someday, in the future, if he is on his own, and he brings someone back to his place, they may have a negative reaction to the bed, and that may be all it takes to convert him back to being a bed maker.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:03:47 GMT
It is not simply a matter of personal preference, there is more to making your bed everyday. Adm McRaven's speech, full text and video
That said, we got our kids comforters, a fitted bottom sheet and pillow cases, making the bed was "easy" shake the comforter. Eh... I pretty much never make my bed (DH works late and sleeps later than I do, so he makes the bed most days) and I still manage to accomplish a lot each day. There's always a first task accomplished each morning for everyone - whether or not it's making the bed. And, realistically, when talking about a couple, only one person is making the bed at a time. Is the other person incapable of getting anything done that day if they aren't the bedmaker? Everyone has different things that they put a priority on. For me, getting up and working out is an infinitely better way to start off a productive day than making the bed. Different strokes for different strokes. Making the bed daily is a habit I would encourage, but not a hill I would die on. Lots more things, big and small, are more important to me.
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Post by bearmom on Feb 2, 2015 21:04:44 GMT
I'm not the person to ask. I won't even make my own bed unless I'm changing the bedding. Just a waste of my time. This. No one in my house makes their bed.
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Post by melanell on Feb 2, 2015 21:10:43 GMT
Neither my husband, nor I ever make the bed, so I can't imagine anyone would care about it. If your future daughter-in-law cares that it's made, she can always make the bed herself. Or she can just ask him to make the bed. DH & I do plenty of things now, sharing a home with one another, that we didn't do before we lived together. He does some things that I brought into the relationship and I do some things that he brought into the relationship.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:15:18 GMT
Mine aren't teens yet (9 and 7) but we recently instituted a twice-weekly room inspection. On Wednesday and Saturday mornings, their rooms must be perfectly clean and beds made. The rest of the week, they can be as sloppy as they want. Seems to be working so far!
Lana
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Post by melanell on Feb 2, 2015 21:15:28 GMT
I do actually feel just that way about making my bed. A made bed is a good way to start the day for me. BUT, I do not believe that it holds true for others. I am sure, 110% sure, that there are folks out there who do not make their beds and who are still 50 times more productive than I am each day.
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Post by anonrefugee on Feb 2, 2015 21:24:36 GMT
maryland don't back away. But why make that the reason for doing anything? Wouldn't it be nice if they learned to take care of themselves? That's what we tell our sons about tasks.
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likescarrots
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 2, 2015 21:30:32 GMT
Neither my husband, nor I ever make the bed, so I can't imagine anyone would care about it. If your future daughter-in-law cares that it's made, she can always make the bed herself. Or she can just ask him to make the bed. DH & I do plenty of things now, sharing a home with one another, that we didn't do before we lived together. He does some things that I brought into the relationship and I do some things that he brought into the relationship. In a lot of cases I would agree with you. Making the bed is not one of them. To me it's a totally useless task to spend time on. Literally the only thing you do with a made bed is unmake it. It's not something I would do for another person just because they wanted me to.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 2, 2015 21:34:58 GMT
Disclaimer: did not read replies.
I have two boys, 14 and almost 13. Neither one makes their bed. I don't make them. It's not a battle worth having, really. If they want to deal with untangling their blankets every night, then so be it. They are responsible for stripping the beds when I tell them to. I do expect them to be able to make their own beds up when they get the clean sheets back though.
I also do not make my bed every day. I will straighten the blankets as needed but unless we're selling the house and need to have presentable rooms at all times, I don't see the point of making the bed every day. Plus my dog has a tendency to move the blankets around until she has a nice little nest made for herself.
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smartypants71
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Post by smartypants71 on Feb 2, 2015 21:37:14 GMT
DS makes his bed when I tell him to make the bed, but it is not on his daily list of chores.
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styxgirl
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Post by styxgirl on Feb 2, 2015 21:44:50 GMT
I was forced to make to bed very, very, very neatly while growing up Every day.
Now, I have my own house and I don't normally make the bed.
We have an electric blanket in the winter and I want to be able to turn it on to preheat the bed ... So, I pull all the covers up So it's ready at night. The bed looks made. If it wasn't for the heated blanket, I doubt it I would make it.
Not a battle I would choose.
Make sure he knows how to make the bed and changes out the sheets as often as needed. Other than that, I'd let it go.
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Post by littlemama on Feb 2, 2015 21:58:23 GMT
I guess that without a bedspread, I don't really understand what constitutes "making the bed". We have sheets and a comforter that we sleep under. When we get up, we pull up the sheets and comforter to cover the bottom sheet. When I was a kid, there was a bedspread that you didnt sleep under, so would have to pull that up on the bed and tuck over and around the pillow. I don't know anyone with a bedspread anymore.
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Post by melanell on Feb 2, 2015 22:54:07 GMT
Or she can just ask him to make the bed. DH & I do plenty of things now, sharing a home with one another, that we didn't do before we lived together. He does some things that I brought into the relationship and I do some things that he brought into the relationship. In a lot of cases I would agree with you. Making the bed is not one of them. To me it's a totally useless task to spend time on. Literally the only thing you do with a made bed is unmake it. It's not something I would do for another person just because they wanted me to. The way I see it, if something makes someone else happy, then it isn't useless as all. I like making people happy, and if something that takes me just a moment or two and is of no hardship to me, would make someone happy each day, I'd consider those few moments very well spent.
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Post by sunraynnc on Feb 2, 2015 22:59:47 GMT
Making your bed keeps the dust out of there. I also hate seeing my kids lounging on their unmade beds in their "street clothes." You pick up so many allergens, germs & dirt on your clothing. Don't want them sleeping in that.
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Post by gar on Feb 2, 2015 23:03:01 GMT
It is not simply a matter of personal preference, there is more to making your bed everyday. Adm McRaven's speech, full text and video
That said, we got our kids comforters, a fitted bottom sheet and pillow cases, making the bed was "easy" shake the comforter. You could swap the words 'make your bed' with brush your teeth/shine your sink/get dressed/phone your mother/eat your breakfast and make the same point.
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Post by Dori~Mama~Bear on Feb 2, 2015 23:03:42 GMT
I hate making beds. It is no battle I would battle nor would I win if somebody battled with me on making my bed. We use twin comforters on our bed. one for him and one for me. I do make sure that when company comes over our bed is made with the nice comforter and pillows. but day to day I just throw the pillows in a pile and throw the comforters over the mattress.
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Post by threegirls on Feb 3, 2015 0:24:07 GMT
My almost 13 year old dd goes through phases about bed making. Sometimes she will make her bed everyday. Then she will sometimes go for weeks without making it. Her room is super neat except for her bed. She will definitely make it if she has a friend over. Sometimes, I will make it for her. When I was her age my mom made it for me. I didn't start making a bed until I went to college! I make our bed everyday. I hate getting into an unmade bed.
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TankTop
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Post by TankTop on Feb 3, 2015 0:29:48 GMT
We have levels of cleanliness they must maintain... 1. Room dusted and vacuumed every weekend 2. Mom must be able to walk across the floor in the dark without breaking her neck 3. Door closed when you leave 4. Trash dumped every Thursday
I would not die on that hill
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Post by ptamom on Feb 3, 2015 0:31:17 GMT
I'm not the person to ask. I won't even make my own bed unless I'm changing the bedding. Just a waste of my time. That's me too!
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