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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 18:58:31 GMT
I found This article from UC Davis absolutely fascinating! It's very relevant to the vaccines/autism debates, plus...it's about horses too.  We are expecting a new foal any day at our barn...I had never heard of this condition before. |
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Post by Sue on Feb 5, 2015 19:46:33 GMT
Thanks for sharing this article. Very, very interesting. Autism has never impacted my family, nor am I a horse person, but I found this very intriguing. I sure hope it leads to a greater medical understanding for both horses and humans.
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Post by miominmio on Feb 5, 2015 20:02:18 GMT
I agree, that article was fascinating! Thanks for sharing!
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Post by hosschick on Feb 5, 2015 20:07:45 GMT
Interesting article, thanks for posting it. We had a few dummy foals over the years with mixed results, so from an equine standpoint, I'll be passing along the harness technique. Congrats on your upcoming foal! Of course, since you've already mentioned it, you are now obligated to share pics following arrival.  |
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Post by my2apps2 on Feb 5, 2015 20:20:13 GMT
Very interesting, and timely for me.
I was told today that I caused my son's autism by vaccinating him, I hope there is something to this and that there is a breakthrough soon!
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Post by loco coco on Feb 5, 2015 20:33:14 GMT
interesting, thanks for sharing!
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 20:37:17 GMT
As the mom of a son with autism, I think this is a very interesting article and I was just discussing this very thing with one of my faculty. The actual vaccine does NOT cause the autism. It is the preservative. In my son's case it was the thimerisol (sp?). At the time he was injected it was 90 times the recommended dose. Do I advocate non vaccinations? Absolutely not. I feel vaccines are important...but we need to make sure that the vaccines AND the preservatives are.
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Post by nurseypants on Feb 5, 2015 21:02:26 GMT
As the mom of a son with autism, I think this is a very interesting article and I was just discussing this very thing with one of my faculty. The actual vaccine does NOT cause the autism. It is the preservative. In my son's case it was the thimerisol (sp?). At the time he was injected it was 90 times the recommended dose. Do I advocate non vaccinations? Absolutely not. I feel vaccines are important...but we need to make sure that the vaccines AND the preservatives are. Nope. |
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Post by nurseypants on Feb 5, 2015 21:02:58 GMT
Very interesting, and timely for me. I was told today that I caused my son's autism by vaccinating him, I hope there is something to this and that there is a breakthrough soon! Whoever told you that is wrong. |
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Post by scrappergonewild on Feb 5, 2015 21:06:36 GMT
As the mom of a son with autism, I think this is a very interesting article and I was just discussing this very thing with one of my faculty. The actual vaccine does NOT cause the autism. It is the preservative. In my son's case it was the thimerisol (sp?). At the time he was injected it was 90 times the recommended dose. Do I advocate non vaccinations? Absolutely not. I feel vaccines are important...but we need to make sure that the vaccines AND the preservatives are. This is incorrect. |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Feb 5, 2015 21:16:12 GMT
very interesting article; thanks for sharing! (and congrats on the impending addition-- and YEs, please post photos!! ) |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 5, 2015 21:38:37 GMT
Interesting article, thanks for posting it. We had a few dummy foals over the years with mixed results, so from an equine standpoint, I'll be passing along the harness technique. Congrats on your upcoming foal! Of course, since you've already mentioned it, you are now obligated to share pics following arrival. It's not mine, but I'll get to love on it every day.  and yes, I will post pics! |
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Post by pierkiss on Feb 5, 2015 21:51:31 GMT
Very interesting, and timely for me. I was told today that I caused my son's autism by vaccinating him, I hope there is something to this and that there is a breakthrough soon! NO YOU DID NOT!!! |
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Post by sillyrabbit on Feb 5, 2015 22:31:45 GMT
I agree that was an interesting article. My younger DS has autism so the article triggered a ton of questions for me. What about C-sections? Both of my boys were born via C-section yet only one has autism. Also, in a lot of kids with autism, the autistic characteristics don't begin to present themselves until around 18 months to 2 years of age. That's how my DS progressed. How would this equine syndrome play into that? Very thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Feb 5, 2015 22:35:42 GMT
Fascinating.
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Post by melissa on Feb 6, 2015 0:15:57 GMT
Very interesting!
But what is more interesting to me is that I am actually reading on this thread that people still believe that vaccines have anything to do with autism. Anything at all. Those studies that linked anything to do with vaccines and autism were found to be false. It is sad that this persists. It does not persist among the actual experts in the field.
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Post by my2apps2 on Feb 6, 2015 0:31:36 GMT
Very interesting, and timely for me. I was told today that I caused my son's autism by vaccinating him, I hope there is something to this and that there is a breakthrough soon! NO YOU DID NOT!!! Yep. I was discussing it on another board and the lady flat out said that the vaccines I allowed my doctor to poison my baby with were what caused it. Granted, she was a nutter...but it is an opinion that persists. And unfortunately, even with scientific proof in front of them, some people will continue to believe that that is what causes it. My son was born autistic. We knew he was "different" from the very beginning. No vaccine caused it, he was born that way...and I think he's pretty darn awesome just as he is. |
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Post by my2apps2 on Feb 6, 2015 0:38:26 GMT
Very interesting! But what is more interesting to me is that I am actually reading on this thread that people still believe that vaccines have anything to do with autism. Anything at all. Those studies that linked anything to do with vaccines and autism were found to be false. It is sad that this persists. It does not persist among the actual experts in the field. If you really want a jaw dropper, go to the today show's facebook page and find the article they posted about the autism mom's blog post. The comments are unreal. Parents of autistic children who are emphatic that their kid's disorder was caused by a MMR vaccine. It really is sad that the misinformation continues to make the rounds and that people actually believe it. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 2:14:10 GMT
I agree that was an interesting article. My younger DS has autism so the article triggered a ton of questions for me. What about C-sections? Both of my boys were born via C-section yet only one has autism. Also, in a lot of kids with autism, the autistic characteristics don't begin to present themselves until around 18 months to 2 years of age. That's how my DS progressed. How would this equine syndrome play into that? Very thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing! I think how the equine syndrome plays into this is to understand there are hormonal, chemical and neurological changes caused by physical actions. Because of when human autism shows up, at the age most babies have stopped crawling/creeping and have begun walking, perhaps we can discover similar changes in human neurosteroids (or similar chemicals) that are altered by a long enough period of crawling on all four limbs. Perhaps the practice of containing babies in excersaucers instead of allowing them sufficient floor time to really move long distances for longer periods has an affect on their neurological development we aren't aware of yet. I know at one time it was shown that babies that didn't crawl had difficulties with eye/hand coordination later. Perhaps it goes deeper than just eye/hand coordination. |
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Post by julieinmd on Feb 6, 2015 2:14:56 GMT
The article you shared is very interesting and presented some very thought provoking ideas. Thank you. I am sorry that anyone would go around saying a parent caused their child's autism. That's an absurd and extremely cruel thing to say to another person.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 3:03:51 GMT
I agree that was an interesting article. My younger DS has autism so the article triggered a ton of questions for me. What about C-sections? Both of my boys were born via C-section yet only one has autism. Also, in a lot of kids with autism, the autistic characteristics don't begin to present themselves until around 18 months to 2 years of age. That's how my DS progressed. How would this equine syndrome play into that? Very thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing! I wondered about the c-section connection too. I googled it, and a lot of info comes up. Seems that there could be something there. It would make sense, given the rise of c-sections over the past generation or two, for autism to increase as well. Also, foals are able to stand and walk within 20 minutes of birth. So that could correlate with a human baby when they reach 12-18 months, could it not? So perhaps the chemical/neurological changes take place or become apparent at about the same time, development wise. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 3:05:28 GMT
The article you shared is very interesting and presented some very thought provoking ideas. Thank you. I am sorry that anyone would go around saying a parent caused their child's autism. That's an absurd and extremely cruel thing to say to another person. I agree. How totally evil for someone to do such a thing to another human being. |
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Post by TankTop on Feb 6, 2015 3:19:33 GMT
Several years ago there was talk of crawl therapy for your children with learning disabilities.
Interesting article for sure.
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Post by likescarrots on Feb 6, 2015 19:04:46 GMT
I agree that was an interesting article. My younger DS has autism so the article triggered a ton of questions for me. What about C-sections? Both of my boys were born via C-section yet only one has autism. Also, in a lot of kids with autism, the autistic characteristics don't begin to present themselves until around 18 months to 2 years of age. That's how my DS progressed. How would this equine syndrome play into that? Very thought-provoking. Thanks for sharing! I think how the equine syndrome plays into this is to understand there are hormonal, chemical and neurological changes caused by physical actions. Because of when human autism shows up, at the age most babies have stopped crawling/creeping and have begun walking, perhaps we can discover similar changes in human neurosteroids (or similar chemicals) that are altered by a long enough period of crawling on all four limbs. Perhaps the practice of containing babies in excersaucers instead of allowing them sufficient floor time to really move long distances for longer periods has an affect on their neurological development we aren't aware of yet. I know at one time it was shown that babies that didn't crawl had difficulties with eye/hand coordination later. Perhaps it goes deeper than just eye/hand coordination. This is interesting and I wonder if there is any correlation between the rise in autism and the recommendation of keeping babies from sleeping on their stomachs due to SIDS, time wise. If maybe there is some sort of physical stimulation babies get from being in that position, that would lower their neurosteroid levels. I'm not saying there is a cause here, I'm not a dr. or scientist and have done no research, it's just something that struck my mind when I read the quoted post. |
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Post by peabay on Feb 6, 2015 19:13:54 GMT
Very interesting! But what is more interesting to me is that I am actually reading on this thread that people still believe that vaccines have anything to do with autism. Anything at all. Those studies that linked anything to do with vaccines and autism were found to be false. It is sad that this persists. It does not persist among the actual experts in the field. If you really want a jaw dropper, go to the today show's facebook page and find the article they posted about the autism mom's blog post. The comments are unreal. Parents of autistic children who are emphatic that their kid's disorder was caused by a MMR vaccine. It really is sad that the misinformation continues to make the rounds and that people actually believe it. I do understand why the beliefs persist. People want something to blame when something bad happens. It has to be the vaccines and not just a random strike of lightening because the latter is a scarier thought. I really do get it. But I don't get the fear of the vaccines from folks whose lives haven't been touched by autism. The science just does not support the fear. I don't get it. |
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Post by foolana on Feb 6, 2015 19:14:47 GMT
I'm not seeing the relevance.
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Post by raindancer on Feb 6, 2015 19:15:56 GMT
As the mom of a son with autism, I think this is a very interesting article and I was just discussing this very thing with one of my faculty. The actual vaccine does NOT cause the autism. It is the preservative. In my son's case it was the thimerisol (sp?). At the time he was injected it was 90 times the recommended dose. Do I advocate non vaccinations? Absolutely not. I feel vaccines are important...but we need to make sure that the vaccines AND the preservatives are. No. You are wrong. There is ZERO science to support this claim. |
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 20:04:05 GMT
For all you who don't think there is science to back it up...you are absolutely entitled to your opinion, as I am entitled to mine. Read the book Evidence of Harm by David Kirby...there is plenty of evidence. I also live this every day and it is in my son's medical records. Sorry I work with scientists every day and there is evidence....including when we sent our old vaccines to third world countries after we reduced the amount of preservative in our vaccines and their rate of autism tripled.
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Post by stampbooker on Feb 6, 2015 20:22:41 GMT
I think it is pretty rude to tell a mom she is wrong about what she experienced with her own child. You do not have to believe it yourself, but it is not right to tell her she is wrong when you have not walked in her shoes.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 6, 2015 20:29:53 GMT
I think it is pretty rude to tell a mom she is wrong about what she experienced with her own child. You do not have to believe it yourself, but it is not right to tell her she is wrong when you have not walked in her shoes. Julie Thank you. |
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We are expecting a new foal any day at our barn...I had never heard of this condition before. 
and yes, I will post pics! 
