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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 3:12:58 GMT
I saw on FB tonight that said dog "ran away" from the owner, into the street, and the owner had to chase said "trained service dog" into the street barefoot.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Feb 26, 2015 3:19:18 GMT
We've had the news do stories on two different TV channels in the past two weeks. Hopefully more exposure will help solve the problem and not just educate the fakes on how to get away with it.
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Post by oaksong on Feb 26, 2015 7:02:19 GMT
I saw a woman being dragged through the airport by her little "service" dog the other day. I thought of my fellow refupeas as I glared in disapproval.
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Post by blue tulip on Feb 26, 2015 13:03:02 GMT
maybe the service it was trained to provide was exercise.  |
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Post by salem on Feb 26, 2015 15:34:35 GMT
My DD plays field hockey at an indoor sports complex on Sundays. At the field opposite a Mens Flag Football league plays at the same time. We share sets of bleachers. There's a couple that shows up every week with a dog that wears a black vest that at first I assumed was some kind of service dog. No big deal. Cute dog. Next thing you know, the guy's tossing the football to another guy on his team warming up, and the dogs racing back and forth between them trying to get it. Then their game starts and the dog's jumping all over the woman that brought him, climbing up and down the bleachers and ramped up pacing all over the place. There was no attempts to control him and he certainly didn't seem all that interested in the woman holding the leash. I think his owners' just don't want to leave him home and got away with taking him so far by putting a vest on him.
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Post by sues on Feb 26, 2015 15:39:54 GMT
My sister adopted a Goldendoodle from a friend who couldn't keep him. He was obedience trained AND trained as a service dog, to the tune of 10's of thousands of dollars. I don't know if the original owner didn't maintain the training or what- but there was no evidence of it when my sister took him. She has the paperwork and knows it happened though.
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Post by Deleted on Feb 26, 2015 15:52:33 GMT
My sister adopted a Goldendoodle from a friend who couldn't keep him. He was obedience trained AND trained as a service dog, to the tune of 10's of thousands of dollars. I don't know if the original owner didn't maintain the training or what- but there was no evidence of it when my sister took him. She has the paperwork and knows it happened though. Good point.
But I know that this dog that I'm referencing has never had any kind of outside training. The girl who has him trains him just as you or I would train a pet. She's never had any kind of specialty training and the dog has never had anyone train him but his novice owner.
(and when I say novice owner...that's not a slam...I would be a novice owner if I were to try to train a dog...any dog)
My point is, her dog is nothing more than a pet...and as much as we all love our pets, slapping a vest on them does not make them a service dog that is required by law to be allowed anywhere the individual is allowed.
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Post by sues on Feb 26, 2015 16:01:16 GMT
slapping a vest on them does not make them a service dogThis just made me picture my sister's dog wearing a service dog vest, looking all serious and responsible. And that made me LAUGH and LAUGH.  He's such a goof. We have often wished we knew how he was trained and what command words he knows, so we can get him back to what he knows. He's so smart, and he's a good, good dog- but he is happy being his own boss. The idea that anyone would teach a dog a few commands and then refer to him as a service dog is ridiculous. You're right. Service dogs go through some pretty remarkable training.
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Post by sues on Mar 2, 2015 2:37:16 GMT
My sister adopted a Goldendoodle from a friend who couldn't keep him. He was obedience trained AND trained as a service dog, to the tune of 10's of thousands of dollars. I don't know if the original owner didn't maintain the training or what- but there was no evidence of it when my sister took him. She has the paperwork and knows it happened though. That's okay, I still plan to steal him anyway next time I'm up your way!  Is there any mention on those papers of who did the training? If so, you might be able to contact them and see what words and/or hand motions they trained him with. Could be fun to see what he knows. Or you could just start trying out some commands to see what happens. I suspect he knows he's the boss though and would just laugh at you!  Come on by! You can't have the dog though. She got a big bundle of papers when we picked him up last year- and that lead to finding his parents, which lead to finding out a new litter was coming. Now Jack has a full blood sibling at home, driving him nuts.  I think there was more about the breeder than the training- which was done somewhere else. I'm not even sure she knows the name of the place though. He does straighten up pretty fast when we're firm and consistent with him (I say 'we' because he spends time at my house- used to be more, but my house is like Home #2.) His training is in there, and it still works sometimes. He's just so headstrong once in awhile, he pushes back. He's two. Still a little guy. (Not really- but age wise, LOL) He's interesting with the puppy (she's 6 mos.) - when my sister is telling her to do something and she isn't listening - sometimes Jack will step in and give her a swat, to get her to do it- or he'll show her what to do. It's adorable. |
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Post by Deleted on Mar 2, 2015 3:48:57 GMT
He does straighten up pretty fast when we're firm and consistent with him (I say 'we' because he spends time at my house- used to be more, but my house is like Home #2.) His training is in there, and it still works sometimes. He's just so headstrong once in awhile, he pushes back. He's two. Still a little guy. (Not really- but age wise, LOL) He's interesting with the puppy (she's 6 mos.) - when my sister is telling her to do something and she isn't listening - sometimes Jack will step in and give her a swat, to get her to do it- or he'll show her what to do. It's adorable. 2 is pretty young for a fully trained service dog. eta: I see you've had him a year so he was removed from the program at about a year old. That would be super young to be a fully trained service dog. I wonder if he wasn't actually a "failure" due to being stubborn instead of having a compliant personality. Only about 40% of the dogs that start training are able to finish and be placed. Around 60% are deemed "failures" and sent out to homes as pets. A dog with a timid personality (easily scared) easily distracted or too stubborn end up not being good fits to work as service dogs. I'm surprised the breeder doesn't have record of where the pup went for training. Then they could tell you at what point he was released from their program. |
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Post by sues on Mar 3, 2015 17:10:40 GMT
My sister hasn't investigated it more, since she doesn't require whatever training he had as a service dog.
I don't know what a 'fully trained' service dog is, nor did I mean to imply he was 'fully trained' as a service dog. I do know he was trained to be a service dog for a specific medical condition, and he performed that function after his training. There are certain things you can do, that seem to spark his training, even after being out of the service situation this long. It's interesting. I have no doubt he did well in his service capacity.
My sister interested in the commands he knows from obedience training. Whatever he learned in obedience training wasn't maintained at home- so a lot of it was lost. The breeder had nothing to do with his training, so that isn't included in his paperwork.
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I think there was more about the breeder than the training- which was done somewhere else. I'm not even sure she knows the name of the place though.