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Post by nightnurse on Apr 3, 2015 15:13:17 GMT
I am so frustrated! After twelve years of marriage, my family is finally in a place where we are ready to get a dog-I'm done with school, my daughter is old enough to participate and be interested in dog care, our work schedules are such that someone is almost always home...I'd be happy with a shelter dog but my husband's mother bred dogs and he wants a purebred puppy. So for the past eight months, I've been trying to find either a beagle or great pyrenees (big difference, I know). The breeders act like taking my $800 is the biggest favor they will ever do. Finding a breeder in my area is an exercise in frustration. I spent a half hour filling out the eight page application for a puppy over a month ago and the breeder has not acknowledged it or returned my calls or emails. I have called and emailed half a dozen local breeders without the courtesy of a reply. I have been at this for eight months and have yet to speak to someone. This is why people buy from puppy mills-they always answer the phone and will give their dogs to anyone!
I have no problems with vetting the buyers-I am buying a living creature, not a piece of furniture, of course the seller needs to be sure I am committed, but the application process is more than a little excessive. I had to do less paperwork to get my NP license! And the scarcity of breeders and the lack of professionalism is driving me crazy!!!!!
So..anyone have any suggestions on finding beagle or great pyrenees breeders in New England (I'm in NH, willing to drive to any NE state, but would prefer to be able to meet the puppies in person)? Anyone know of someone personally? I would appreciate any suggestions. I've called my vet, used the internet, the newspaper and the AKC.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 15:32:04 GMT
the only suggestion I have for you is, maybe, check out any state or regional associations of breeders in your area for those breeds to see if there's a list of ones that you may not know about??
I do know it's very dependent on whether they have litters on the way, or whether they already have people in line for any pet-quality puppies they end up with in any given litter, but the fact that you haven't heard back from anyone yet has got to be frustrating. Are both of these really popular breeds in your area? Maybe they have a ton of people who want their puppies?? Or if they're not popular breeds in your area, maybe they just don't have any puppies in the works? The least they could do is acknowledge your contact, though.
We've been lucky; both times we wanted a puppy, the breeder we ended up using had a litter on the way already, and there was only one person 'ahead' of us in line for a pet-quality puppy. But if she hadn't had puppies, she would have 'put the word out' to other breeders in the area/state for us, I'm sure.
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Post by Deleted on Apr 3, 2015 15:34:08 GMT
I'm sorry you're having a frustrating experience. Have you tried the breed club? Here's a breeder member list for the Great Pyrenees parent club GPCA and here is a list of the regional clubs. I'm not sure which would be the best for you - but it looks like there are a few in the area. You may also want to see if you can go to a local dog show and talk to some breeders there (after they are in the ring  ). That's a great way to get to know them and decide if they are someone you'd want to work with. Good luck! |
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 3, 2015 15:36:54 GMT
In their zeal to prevent abuse I truly believe that simply getting a family pet (vs a show dog) has been turned into a very elitist ordeal.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 15:37:27 GMT
breed club-- that's what I meant-- I just couldn't come up with the right word! thanks, @busypea!
ETA: what do you mean, Country Ham?? Our breeder adopts out puppies that she feels won't end up meeting the breed standard for size... both of our pet-quality Shelties are oversized for the breed standard (one by quite a bit), so they wouldn't have been able to be shown, or bred, anyway.
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Post by Belle on Apr 3, 2015 15:42:42 GMT
I have to say I have experienced the same thing over the last 6 months with Corgi breeders. I have emailed clubs and individual breeders. I only recieved one response back from the many emails I sent and when I answered her email she never responded back to me after that.
Ideally, we would like a Corgi that isn't a puppy but can't get anyone to really help us but would consider a puppy if an older dog wasn't available.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 15:46:16 GMT
Belle, did any of the breeder websites have a page with info about 'dogs up for adoption?' Our latest / oldest Sheltie is a retired show dog the breeder had available for adoption... she has a page on her website that lists what dogs she has available at any given time. reading these responses, I guess we were extremely lucky with our breeder.
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Post by Country Ham on Apr 3, 2015 15:50:40 GMT
I mean that that it seems the only socially acceptable way to get your family a puppy for a pet anymore are expensive breeders requiring lengthy applications, references, sometimes inspections, some breeders have requirements regarding children, other pets, fences etc. Some have clauses that you are not allowed to re-home. Not allowed to let them have their own puppies etc. Then the prices are often very high. Let's face it you rarely can find a 8-12 week old puppy in the shelter or SPCA. It's like a very controlled market.
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Post by blondiec47 on Apr 3, 2015 15:53:02 GMT
Wow I guess I never realized how lucky we were when we got Ozzy and Jax. Both times the breeders that I emailed had a litter. I am in NE and I so wish I could help. Check with some vets in the area see if they know of any breeders. My friend that was looking for a Basset had luck doing it this way
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 15:59:41 GMT
I guess I have no problem with some of those clauses-- If I was the breeder, I would feel extra-responsible for any puppies I sent out into the world, so if there was an issue and any of them had to be re-homed, I would probably want to be involved in it, too. Because there may be other people I knew about (like Belle, for instance) who may be waiting for one. And I totally understand the 'no puppy' clause, as well-- we had that in our contracts, and had to prove we had our dogs altered before we could get their papers. If the puppy isn't meeting the breed standards, then the breeder wants to avoid having even more dogs 'out of standard' being bred by some well-meaning-but-ignorant-of-the-standards pet owner. I'm totally okay with that-- breeders feel the breed standards are important. |
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Post by AnotherPea on Apr 3, 2015 16:00:04 GMT
It can be a major ordeal and borderlines on being a scam in many parts. We have breed-specific rescues near me that are far worse than breeders though. Twice I've been at a county (kill) shelter looking for a specific breed or mix with that breed and came across "rescues" that were obviously involved in questionable behavior. Once I walked in looking for a golden or golden mix puppy. Saw a woman at the front desk cuddling one and stated that was exactly what I was looking for - was the puppy part of a litter at the shelter? The cuddler said that I shouldn't bother - she was taking them all. All? Yep, she was part of a Golden rescue group and she was adopting all of the ones (two different litters) at the shelter. Ummm, why would you adopt all of them, just to find foster homes and then hope you could find a forever home when there is a person right here willing to take one now? Apparently I needed to prove myself worthy enough to have a Golden in my home. So they'd take my application and application fee of $250 (aha, there we go) and decide if I get to keep one or not. The shelter fee was $50. I saw her leave with the ten or so puppies and not pay a single dime to the shelter. Nice little scam there missy. I'm sure the shelter manager got a pretty little kickback too.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 16:07:07 GMT
^^^^^
awww, that is WRONG on so many levels...
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Post by Patter on Apr 3, 2015 17:10:04 GMT
Look here on the AKC site for information for finding breeders for your specific breeds. www.apps.akc.org//apps/breederinfo/breeder_search.cfmAlso, look on Facebook for "breed specific" pages. For instance, we have a 12 week old rough collie. I belong to two different rough collie Facebook pages. It is very common to see posts asking for breeders or puppies available near you. Breeders commonly post puppies available too. Also, a lot of breeders ship. We have done that many times over the years, and we have had great outcomes. I also filled out forms for breeders when looking for our rough collie that never got back to me. If they don't get back to me, then I moved on. They are obviously not worth my time. I hope you find your precious new family member soon. Have fun! |
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Post by Belle on Apr 3, 2015 17:11:33 GMT
It can be a major ordeal and borderlines on being a scam in many parts. We have breed-specific rescues near me that are far worse than breeders though. Twice I've been at a county (kill) shelter looking for a specific breed or mix with that breed and came across "rescues" that were obviously involved in questionable behavior. Once I walked in looking for a golden or golden mix puppy. Saw a woman at the front desk cuddling one and stated that was exactly what I was looking for - was the puppy part of a litter at the shelter? The cuddler said that I shouldn't bother - she was taking them all. All? Yep, she was part of a Golden rescue group and she was adopting all of the ones (two different litters) at the shelter. Ummm, why would you adopt all of them, just to find foster homes and then hope you could find a forever home when there is a person right here willing to take one now? Apparently I needed to prove myself worthy enough to have a Golden in my home. So they'd take my application and application fee of $250 (aha, there we go) and decide if I get to keep one or not. The shelter fee was $50. I saw her leave with the ten or so puppies and not pay a single dime to the shelter. Nice little scam there missy. I'm sure the shelter manager got a pretty little kickback too. Wow! That's interesting! Aside from our local Humane Society, the pet rescue places around here want a fortune for a rescue dog. I also have several friends that volunteer at our local HS and the only way to get a puppy is to stop in the actual day the puppies are dropped off. Of course, nobody knows when puppies will be dropped off so it is just pure luck and being at the right place at the right time. As for the Corgis, some of the breeders do have a tab about Corgi adoption but they do not have any dogs listed. The only reason I contacted breeders and clubs to begin with is because you don't ever see a Corgi up for adoption at the local Humane Society. |
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 3, 2015 17:15:34 GMT
Apparently I needed to prove myself worthy enough to have a Golden in my home. So they'd take my application and application fee of $250 (aha, there we go) and decide if I get to keep one or not. The shelter fee was $50. Yes! I feel like the implication is I am just some airheaded girl with no clue about how "real" dog breeders/owners behave and that I have to jump through all these hoops to prove I am "deserving" of a dog. I feel a little less frustrated knowing that others have experienced the same thing! We started seriously making plans last year and I was hoping to have a puppy arrive before the nice weather was over. I appreciate everyone's suggestions, I'll let you know how we make out. |
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Post by omarakbt on Apr 3, 2015 17:17:46 GMT
www.bonesbeagles.org/?page=about/index.html#about This is a link to the New England beagle club. See if they have any upcoming events where you could go and meet club members, perhaps some type of fun day. infodog.com/showinfo/state.htm This site lists dog shows by state and date. Going to a show and tracking down beagle people, again meeting face to face. If you decide to go to a show I can help you find the time and the amount of beagles entered. I'm sure the beagle people are being a bit more cautious with Miss P having won at Westminster. The publicity always brings out people who want the breed of the big winner. There will be far fewer breeders and clubs for the Great Pyrenesse. While they tend to have large litters the breeders don't breed with the regularity of some of the smaller breeds as they have to find quality homes for all the puppies, show and companion www.gpcaonline.org/I would venture to guess that the number of GP at any given show would be considerably less than beagles. THis year it appears their national is in Topeka KS gpcaonline.org/2015.htmThere is a great pyrenesse club in New Jerseyhttp://njgreatpyrenees.tripod.com/ Again contact them for an upcoming club meeting, fun day, where a group will be showing so you can meet club members, meet their dogs, learn about upcoming litters. Good luck with your search. It has become more and more difficult for legitimate breeders in a climate of don't buy adopt, in a world of animal activists that make what we do seem some how wrong. Yes many have become over protective but we don't know what has caused that in each instance. Diane and the kerry blues at O'Mara
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Post by dazeepetals on Apr 3, 2015 17:17:53 GMT
You may have to widen your search a bit. We were looking for a Rhodesian Ridgeback and we found a great breeder (she's a Vet) about 4 hours from here. However, she wasn't having any liters soon as she only breeds her group of girls every few years. However, she had studded out her own dog to a lady in Ohio. She put us in contact with them and we set up for getting a puppy when they were ready. They had a camera on the liter the entire 9 weeks so we were able to watch them. Our breeder actually flew out there and picked out 2 puppies (1 for us and another for another local family) and put them on the plane back to TX. She ended up putting them under the plane since at 9 weeks they were already 15-20 lbs and couldn't ride in coach. It really wasn't that bad and we just paid her the $100 for the dog transport fee. Just another option.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 17:20:19 GMT
"I'm sure the beagle people are being a bit more cautious with Miss P having won at Westminster. The publicity always brings out people who want the breed of the big winner."
^^^ very good point! When a dog suddenly becomes 'trendy' or 'news' then there may be a LOT more demand, so the [good] breeders have to be more cautious.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2015 17:32:04 GMT
I guess I have no problem with some of those clauses-- If I was the breeder, I would feel extra-responsible for any puppies I sent out into the world, so if there was an issue and any of them had to be re-homed, I would probably want to be involved in it, too. Because there may be other people I knew about (like Belle, for instance) who may be waiting for one. And I totally understand the 'no puppy' clause, as well-- we had that in our contracts, and had to prove we had our dogs altered before we could get their papers. If the puppy isn't meeting the breed standards, then the breeder wants to avoid having even more dogs 'out of standard' being bred by some well-meaning-but-ignorant-of-the-standards pet owner. I'm totally okay with that-- breeders feel the breed standards are important. We purchased our 3rd Samoyed in October after our first Samoyed passed away in May 2013. I agree with you and the specifications in my contract. I love my current breeder and realized that the first breeder we went to 12 yrs ago was a backyard breeder. We ended up with a dog with hip dysplasia and way out of breed standard. His HD started showing up when he was 2  Our current breeder is awesome, she shows her dogs but she does not sell just to show homes. She does have a 3 page application but it felt very well thought out and appropriate when I was filling it out. Our first breeder did not have an application. We indicated we wanted a dog that I could use as a 4-H training dog and that I could train for obedience. Our breeders dogs are in the show ring, on the trails pulling sleds/carts and in family homes as pets. I did not pay an arm and a leg for my pup, I paid what I felt was a very fair $$ amount. My contract does state that my pup will go back to my breeder if something were to happen to me. I'm fine with that, I have our dogs in our will but I'm fine with her choosing the person she feels will be best for him. We have spent time with her on 4 different occasions after bringing our puppy home and I enjoy knowing I can go to her if I need to. What made finding this breeder easier for us was our dog 4-H experience and networking. I looked online for a local breeder but I also asked around to many 4-H and dog show people. Even though I'm not showing conformation, I still wanted a dog that was sound. The person I noticed online was the same person that two different experienced dog people referred me to. We met in November 2013 and I indicated I wanted a puppy in 2014. She only had one litter in 2014 and that was our litter. She will not have another litter until 2016. I always suggest contacting the local breed group for your breed, talking to others you know that have your breed and going to shows even if you don't want to show. At a show you will meet many different people and make contacts. Many of the shows have both conformation (Westminster style) and obedience so it's not just fluff and looks  |
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2015 17:34:18 GMT
Look here on the AKC site for information for finding breeders for your specific breeds. www.apps.akc.org//apps/breederinfo/breeder_search.cfmAlso, look on Facebook for "breed specific" pages. For instance, we have a 12 week old rough collie. I belong to two different rough collie Facebook pages. It is very common to see posts asking for breeders or puppies available near you. Breeders commonly post puppies available too. Also, a lot of breeders ship. We have done that many times over the years, and we have had great outcomes. I also filled out forms for breeders when looking for our rough collie that never got back to me. If they don't get back to me, then I moved on. They are obviously not worth my time. I hope you find your precious new family member soon. Have fun! Darn it, I knew I was forgetting something - yes, also join Facebook groups for your breed I'm in a Samoyed fans group, working dog group, positive training group and active dogs in the PNW group. I'm also in a new Samoyed meet up group that is getting together tomorrow at a dog park. |
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Post by nightnurse on Apr 3, 2015 17:34:47 GMT
I forgot the beagle won this year! We owned one when I was a kid, they make a great family dog. That's my husband's top pick. I'm leaning towards the great pyrenees as they also make a great family dog and offer a little more in the guard dog department, but I'd be happy with either. It just feels like we waited so long and are having such stumbling blocks now that we are ready. I thought we were being responsible by not getting a dog when my daughter was really young, waiting until she actively wanted one and was ready to participate in care, and waiting until I had finished school and it feels like there should be some karmic reward for that |
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Post by motherlemur on Apr 3, 2015 18:36:55 GMT
Check out Big Fluffy Dog Rescue. They are out of Tenn and usually have lots of Pyrs and other fluffies. I know you said no rescue, but they often have puppies. BFDR is also on Facebook. They drive up just about every weekend to CT and you can pick up your dog there. We became approved to foster or adopt but haven't worked with them yet due to the insane amount of snow we got this winter (I'm in MA) At his point we are not sure if we want to have a dog full-time (we have cats, birds and a ferret) but thought fostering would be good as we could get our dog fix and save a dog from a southern shelter and make room for another rescue. You need to fill out an adoption application and have it on file so when you see a dog you like you are ready to adopt. It does take some time to go through the process and get approved, but I find that they are ALL like that now. Check them out. The owner of the rescue is known for her hilarious dog descriptions.. Good luck!! Jill |
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 18:42:43 GMT
We purchased our 3rd Samoyed in October after our first Samoyed passed away in May 2013. I agree with you and the specifications in my contract. I love my current breeder and realized that the first breeder we went to 12 yrs ago was a backyard breeder. We ended up with a dog with hip dysplasia and way out of breed standard. His HD started showing up when he was 2 We unfortunately had the same experience with our first Sheltie when we got her about 10 years ago... we thought we knew what we were looking for in a breeder, but got over-excited and bought a puppy from the first one we checked out. She had two litters of puppies at the same time and a houseful of dogs- in not the best environment. That should have given us a clue, but like I said, we were over-excited. While we did love her dearly, she ended up having some really bad behavior issues and was very high-strung, which can happen with Shelties if they're not careful about the breeding. She also passed away very suddenly when she was five and in seemingly perfect health while at a local kennel-- we believe it was from being overheated (AZ in August) but she may also have had some sort of hereditary issue (we didn't have her autopsied, so we didn't find out). As you said, we didn't think about these issues being related to careless breeding until we found our current breeder. and nightnurse, you will find one!! And it will be great! (puppies are such fun... there's nothing like puppy breath and that round puppy belly!! lol!!) |
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Post by Darcy Collins on Apr 3, 2015 19:13:23 GMT
Good luck. We actually gave up on getting a puppy. We started with the same shelter where we had adopted a kitten years ago. We spent 9 months checking every day for a puppy (less than a year old) that wasn't a pit bull mix and found exactly ZERO dogs. We then tried a few of the breed rescues. We were rejected as we haven't previously owned a dog. Alrighty then. I'll just be one of those terribly elitist and buy a pure bred dog. We actually submitted applications to two different breeders - the few locals that actually seemed legitimate. A year later we're still waiting. I wanted to just buy a damn dog from one of the so-so breeders. Not at all abusive, but probably a little lax in ensuring their breeding program was more about improving the breed and less about ensuring a regular supply of puppies. My husband's old family golden had hip dysplasia and he just couldn't pay $2,500 for a puppy that he wasn't 100% confident wouldn't have a similar problem. I couldn't disagree with him - but man - we just want a nice family dog. Several of our friends have actually flown to other states to buy puppies.
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Post by gmcwife1 on Apr 3, 2015 19:36:38 GMT
We purchased our 3rd Samoyed in October after our first Samoyed passed away in May 2013. I agree with you and the specifications in my contract. I love my current breeder and realized that the first breeder we went to 12 yrs ago was a backyard breeder. We ended up with a dog with hip dysplasia and way out of breed standard. His HD started showing up when he was 2 While we did love her dearly, she ended up having some really bad behavior issues and was very high-strung, which can happen with Shelties if they're not careful about the breeding. She also passed away very suddenly when she was five and in seemingly perfect health while at a local kennel-- we believe it was from being overheated (AZ in August) but she may also have had some sort of hereditary issue (we didn't have her autopsied, so we didn't find out). As you said, we didn't think about these issues being related to careless breeding until we found our current breeder. and nightnurse, you will find one!! And it will be great! (puppies are such fun... there's nothing like puppy breath and that round puppy belly!! lol!!) Over excited is the perfect way to describe it when you go and see and just forget all the stuff you wanted to remember It's a pile of puppies, how can you think straight when you are in a pile of puppies  |
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Post by snappinsami on Apr 3, 2015 19:50:38 GMT
No offense to your MIL, but dog breeders have to be one of the oddest group of people I've ever had to deal with. My family has gotten pure-bred dogs since I was little, and every single breeder that we've dealt with has been strange.
When we decided to add a puppy to our family, we went through what you're doing now. I started with local breeders and slowly expanded my search. First to state-wide. Then I pretty much gave up and went nationwide. I ran into much the same thing as you're finding - calls and emails that go unacknowledged, applications that go nowhere, etc. We lucked out and contacted Tucker's breeder at just the right time. They happened to have one puppy left from this litter, and he was actually the #2 pick (basically, the person who got pick of the litter was choosing between him and one of his brothers). Although they live in Oregon (in the middle of nowhere), the breeder offered to ship/fly Tucker to us sooner, or we could wait a few weeks until he was coming down to LA to deliver a bunch of dogs. We chose the latter.
Breeders ship puppies all the time. It wouldn't necessarily be my first choice, but we were open to considering it. It might be worth looking outside of your area to see if there are any that you can find that you could work with that way.
Good luck. I do know how frustrating it can be. Hang in there!
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on Apr 3, 2015 19:53:55 GMT
It can be a major ordeal and borderlines on being a scam in many parts. We have breed-specific rescues near me that are far worse than breeders though. Twice I've been at a county (kill) shelter looking for a specific breed or mix with that breed and came across "rescues" that were obviously involved in questionable behavior. Once I walked in looking for a golden or golden mix puppy. Saw a woman at the front desk cuddling one and stated that was exactly what I was looking for - was the puppy part of a litter at the shelter? The cuddler said that I shouldn't bother - she was taking them all. All? Yep, she was part of a Golden rescue group and she was adopting all of the ones (two different litters) at the shelter. Ummm, why would you adopt all of them, just to find foster homes and then hope you could find a forever home when there is a person right here willing to take one now? Apparently I needed to prove myself worthy enough to have a Golden in my home. So they'd take my application and application fee of $250 (aha, there we go) and decide if I get to keep one or not. The shelter fee was $50. I saw her leave with the ten or so puppies and not pay a single dime to the shelter. Nice little scam there missy. I'm sure the shelter manager got a pretty little kickback too. Wow! That's interesting! Aside from our local Humane Society, the pet rescue places around here want a fortune for a rescue dog. I also have several friends that volunteer at our local HS and the only way to get a puppy is to stop in the actual day the puppies are dropped off. Of course, nobody knows when puppies will be dropped off so it is just pure luck and being at the right place at the right time. As for the Corgis, some of the breeders do have a tab about Corgi adoption but they do not have any dogs listed. The only reason I contacted breeders and clubs to begin with is because you don't ever see a Corgi up for adoption at the local Humane Society. Oh that is so very true! I know of a few people trying to get a Golden Retriever puppy (I'm involved with the breed now). I have the names of a couple breeders (they also show their dogs) and have assisted a few to connect. As others have said being involved with a breed or breed specific group on FB is a good way to make some connections and to learn about the breed. You can also ask local vet's, or the vets of friends about adopting puppies and young dogs. Do not discount local animal control either, or adopting a young dog (under 2 years of age) Many dogs are turned in, or "dumped" when they either get bigger than expected, are not innately trained (you have to train them, they do not come borned that way), or are not what the owners expected as they grew. We were able to adopt 3 of our 4 dogs this way. The huge plus is sometimes they are already (mostly) housebroken. Hope you have success and soon. There is a lot of good information that others have shared. jenniferc - That is so very true with the breed too, and so many "rescues" are actually hoarders. PM me what state you are in and I'll try to connect you with some folks I know. |
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Post by bethany102399 on Apr 3, 2015 20:06:50 GMT
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Post by crimsoncat05 on Apr 3, 2015 20:29:48 GMT
omg, the cuteness!!!
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