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Post by Darcy Collins on May 4, 2015 18:15:13 GMT
I would sit down and have a talk with my kids. Explain to them that this is a crazy fringe belief and is not rational. I would also explain that there is more than one way to be a U.S. citizen and even if Obama wasn't born in Hawaii, he was born to an American citizen mother, which makes him a natural born US citizen meeting the qualifications to be president. Which makes the birthers even MORE crazy. Actually that is incorrect information - just as an fyi. Citizenship law is much more complicated than that - and when President Obama was born law automatic citizenship for a child born to one citizen parent required a minimum residency in the US. As President Obama's mother was quite young when she had President Obama, she did not meet the residency requirement. Back to the OP, my children know that President Obama was born in Hawaii. We were actually vacationing in Hawaii during one of his visits and we talked about him being born there. I'm not sure how much of the controversy they have heard as they were quite young when he ran for office the first time. We are starting to discuss politics more as they are discussing things in school and here things on CNN kids which they watch in one of their classes. We talk a lot about sources and how misinformation can spread like wildfire on the Internet so google is not necessarily you're friend when you're trying to authenticate information.
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Post by Deleted on May 4, 2015 20:00:53 GMT
i think you just need to leave the room each time she starts up stop giving her an audience
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Post by IAmUnoriginal on May 4, 2015 20:20:10 GMT
I just texted ODS, 15. "Hawaii. But, there are conspiracy theories." Then "You Ok, Mom?"
Had to explain myself (and the Peas) and my random, don't Google it question. He laughed. His uncle on his dad's side is a big conspiracy theorist. He knows to keep topics very light around Uncle C.
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Post by pierogi on May 4, 2015 20:25:55 GMT
Reminds me of that epic, crazy-assed "Obama wore flip-flops on his vacation, OMG!" thread over at 2peas. Yeah, some people are complete nutters. I seem to remember quite the kerfuffle over Mrs. Obama wearing shorts while coming off Air Force One. That one made me shake my head so hard I thought I would get whiplash. Oh, I kind of remember that one, except I thought it was outrage over a teenage Malia wearing shorts on Air Force One while on vacation. Some of the things said were incredibly unkind; I feel for those girls being targets for people who hate their parents. Remember the PR blogger who ripped apart their Thanksgiving outfits, and said it was because their parents didn't love and respect America? I was gratified that one of their immediate defenders was Jenna Bush.
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Post by gina on May 4, 2015 20:37:03 GMT
We are not Obama fans in this house but I just asked my 10 year old to see if he knew where the President was born. He answered ASAP: "Hawaii".
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on May 5, 2015 4:40:12 GMT
...but honestly, how many people know where ANY president was born other than Abe Lincoln? Well, considering we Illinoisans make such a to-do about being the "Land of Lincoln," I think many people would incorrectly say Mr. Lincoln was born in Illinois, not Kentucky. 'Course, there's always the chance. Mr. Lincoln was born in...erm...Mexico? Plus, there was that whole kerfuffle when he refused to release his law school grades. Such an elaborate cover-up - deflecting by claiming he was self-taught. By candlelight, no less. Pffft!
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Post by jumperhop on May 5, 2015 4:48:42 GMT
I don't hear a lot of Obama conspiracy theories what gets me all rallied up us comparing Hillary to Hitler. I call them out on it every time. jen
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 4:57:57 GMT
@devildog - just like we all have buttonholes
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Post by betty on May 5, 2015 5:17:30 GMT
...but honestly, how many people know where ANY president was born other than Abe Lincoln? Born and raised in Virginia ...I can tell you where quite a few presidents were born...Washington, Jefferson, Madison, Monroe, Tyler, Taylor, etc...
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Post by AussieMeg on May 5, 2015 6:18:16 GMT
I would be so embarrassed if my child answered that question that way. Honestly, I really am. I was shocked and floored she answered that way. Now I'm wondering if she did it to be a smart ass or really believes that; hmmmmm. Yeah, I'm gonna have the convo again with good ole' momma, and dd again. I think I'd skip the convo with momma, and just talk to your daughter. I can kind of understand how kids take on board things that parents or grandparents say. My dad (who is NOT a crazy right-wing nutjob by any stretch of the imagination) was talking to my DD about the detention centres that had been set up for illegal immigrants. He made a comment about how the (then) Prime Minister "threw little kids in jail" (because of course there were families in the detention centre, not just adults). So then of course my DD, who was about 8yo at the time, went around telling everyone that John Howard is a bad man because he throws little kids in jail.
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Post by AussieMeg on May 5, 2015 7:44:56 GMT
I just sent a text to DD asking her if she knew - without googling - where Pres Obama was born, just out of curiosity (although I didn't expect her to know). She replied in several texts: No clue Why would you ask that Hawaii wasn't it Or no scrap that No clue That's such a weird question to ask
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 10:23:24 GMT
I just sent a text to DD asking her if she knew - without googling - where Pres Obama was born, just out of curiosity (although I didn't expect her to know). She replied in several texts: No clue Why would you ask that Hawaii wasn't it Or no scrap that No clue That's such a weird question to ask
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Post by marimoose on May 5, 2015 12:47:19 GMT
@devildog - just like we all have buttonholes Gotta love when the computer autocorrects, thinking it is smarter than me and I seldom use spell check. It didn't like the the other word I was typing so I was trying to use a clean word. Thanks for the morning laugh .
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Post by wezee on May 5, 2015 13:33:19 GMT
I guess I'm different. I would say "Some people like grandma believe that he was born outside of the US, he was born in Hawaii"
In general It's ok to believe different things that is what makes our country so great. It is important to research and then make your own opinion.
Just because Grandma believes something different doesn't make her a nutter.
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Post by bc2ca on May 5, 2015 13:42:22 GMT
I guess I'm different. I would say "Some people like grandma believe that he was born outside of the US, he was born in Hawaii" In general It's ok to believe different things that is what makes our country so great. It is important to research and then make your own opinion. Just because Grandma believes something different doesn't make her a nutter. Being tolerant to different religious, political and philosophical approaches to life is a good thing. Refusing to accept facts as true puts you in the nutter category. @devildog I wouldn't bother talking to your mother about this but would definitely have a long, serious talk with your DD.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 13:46:06 GMT
I guess I'm different. I would say "Some people like grandma believe that he was born outside of the US, he was born in Hawaii" In general It's ok to believe different things that is what makes our country so great. It is important to research and then make your own opinion. Just because Grandma believes something different doesn't make her a nutter. But it's not true. It's been proven over and over its not true. When one believes something that is categorically wrong they move into a different territory. There is no question about where the president was born.
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Post by apeacalledliz on May 5, 2015 14:37:58 GMT
I guess I'm different. I would say "Some people like grandma believe that he was born outside of the US, he was born in Hawaii" In general It's ok to believe different things that is what makes our country so great. It is important to research and then make your own opinion. Just because Grandma believes something different doesn't make her a nutter. Yes it does make her a nutter if she is buying into conspiracy theories. Yes we should absolutely be tolerant of and embrace people who believe differently than us when it comes to things that aren't facts but spreading out and out lies should not be tolerated. President Obama was born in Hawaii, fact, believing anything other than that is crazy.
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Post by wezee on May 5, 2015 14:47:14 GMT
Both of you are right. He's an American. My point is Grandma believes he isn't. I think the lesson should be don't always believe what you are told even if it comes from a trusted adult.
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Post by genny on May 5, 2015 15:22:02 GMT
Your mom and my dad should talk LOL. They'd get along famously.
I am the same as you - not a political person by nature and avoid discussion at all costs if I can. I'm not a fan, but I also don't think he's the antichrist either. Thank heavens dad isn't on FB or I'd have to block him.
I am friends with one of my customers on FB. He is a fabulous customer- very sweet, easy to work with, pays on pick up and never quibbles on price - but he is so bigoted with some of his FB stuff it makes my stomach turn, regarding every single social hot-button we are faced with today. If he ever found out that I agree with NONE of his nonsense he'd probably stop using our business, so I just keep my mouth shut.
I feel you, it's a hard line to toe sometimes.
And I have no idea if my kids would know where Obama was born. I'll ask them tonight.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 18:00:45 GMT
This thread reminds me of something I read yesterday in one of our newspapers that it's been reported in the Russian Press that the Duchess of Cambridge must have used a surrogate Some will believe everything they read/hear
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Post by MerryMom on May 5, 2015 18:17:12 GMT
My sister is an avid Tea Party and Americans for Prosperity or whatever group the Koch Brothers promote. She is now on a "Anti-Common Core" and "Bring back teaching handwriting in the schools" rant.
Sadly, her extremism and constant hammering about her political views has led to a rift between us: leading to her calling me a really nasty word in front of my then 12 year old son. I no longer communicate much with her. I go to family events, but avoid her as much as possible. I don't make a scene about it, but if she is in one place, within a few minutes, I get up to refill my iced tea and find another place to sit. If she is upstairs, I go downstairs. If she is outside, I go inside. I went to my nephew's wedding, but other than saying Congratulations and the flowers look nice (she did the flowers), I stayed away from her.
I don't call her, I don't send her information about my son, etc.
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Post by darkangel090260 on May 5, 2015 18:41:31 GMT
you should see the crap my family come up with on Obama. I can count how many time i showed link to where they are wrong. It take me less then 3 minutes to pull up 4 different place to show them the facts. It drives me nuts and I am the one who has the lowest education.
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Post by sudie on May 5, 2015 19:06:31 GMT
My sister is an avid Tea Party and Americans for Prosperity or whatever group the Koch Brothers promote. She is now on a "Anti-Common Core" and "Bring back teaching handwriting in the schools" rant. Sadly, her extremism and constant hammering about her political views has led to a rift between us: leading to her calling me a really nasty word in front of my then 12 year old son. I no longer communicate much with her. I go to family events, but avoid her as much as possible. I don't make a scene about it, but if she is in one place, within a few minutes, I get up to refill my iced tea and find another place to sit. If she is upstairs, I go downstairs. If she is outside, I go inside. I went to my nephew's wedding, but other than saying Congratulations and the flowers look nice (she did the flowers), I stayed away from her. I don't call her, I don't send her information about my son, etc. I find this very sad. My sister is the very same way (and my mother, too). They believe anything they hear or read on the internet as long as it supports their Anti-Obama agenda. They act like Obama is the anti-Christ. I am not a political person. I pretty much dislike all politicians equally. I'm also not a religious person, but my sister and mother are very religious. I can respect that. I am facebook friends with my sister (she lives in another state). I just scroll past all of her political and religious posts and pay attention to all her other posts. I love my sister very much and would hate to think that we could let anything like political and/or religious affiliation could come between us. I just told her that I absolutely would not discuss either politics or religion with her and we still have a very loving and respectful relationship.
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Post by MerryMom on May 5, 2015 19:42:59 GMT
My sister is an avid Tea Party and Americans for Prosperity or whatever group the Koch Brothers promote. She is now on a "Anti-Common Core" and "Bring back teaching handwriting in the schools" rant. Sadly, her extremism and constant hammering about her political views has led to a rift between us: leading to her calling me a really nasty word in front of my then 12 year old son. I no longer communicate much with her. I go to family events, but avoid her as much as possible. I don't make a scene about it, but if she is in one place, within a few minutes, I get up to refill my iced tea and find another place to sit. If she is upstairs, I go downstairs. If she is outside, I go inside. I went to my nephew's wedding, but other than saying Congratulations and the flowers look nice (she did the flowers), I stayed away from her. I don't call her, I don't send her information about my son, etc. I find this very sad. My sister is the very same way (and my mother, too). They believe anything they hear or read on the internet as long as it supports their Anti-Obama agenda. They act like Obama is the anti-Christ. I am not a political person. I pretty much dislike all politicians equally. I'm also not a religious person, but my sister and mother are very religious. I can respect that. I am facebook friends with my sister (she lives in another state). I just scroll past all of her political and religious posts and pay attention to all her other posts. I love my sister very much and would hate to think that we could let anything like political and/or religious affiliation could come between us. I just told her that I absolutely would not discuss either politics or religion with her and we still have a very loving and respectful relationship. Sadly, I wish my sister would be able to not discuss things, but she cannot help herself. After I told her many, many times to not forward me her email rants and ravings, she didn't comply. I finally blocked her email. This past fall, our father was in the hospital basically all the time for 4 months: he got very ill one night and had to be intubated and was transferred to the ICU. While he was sleeping in the ICU, she came to the hospital to stay for a couple of hours. Since only 1-2 people can be back at a time, my stepmom left to go home for a couple of hours, leaving my sister and I. Since my dad is sleeping and we really can't talk too much so as not to disturb him, I went out to the waiting area to make a few phone calls and use the internet. I had been there since 4 am. I came back to the room after 45 minutes to find my sister yammering away at the ICU nurse about politics and Obama and she had her "Bring back teaching handwriting in the schools" letter-writing campaign materials scattered on the window sill, on the food tray table for the patient, etc. Once I entered the room, the nurse is like "Oh, I have to go check on another patient" so she could leave...quickly. My sister starts in with her yammering as I am washing dad's face and wetting his lips. I finally look at her and I said "Can't you just stop it?" and I am sure my "stink eye" was in full laser-glare mode. So she mumbles something about how "the liberals" can't stand to hear "other's opinions" (standard TP or AFP line). After an hour, she gets her crap picked up and she leaves to go to her "AFP" meeting which apparently was more important to her than staying with Dad.
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Post by sudie on May 5, 2015 19:56:06 GMT
Wow, MerryMom, sounds like your sister has jumped waaay off the deep end. I think your sister and my sister would get along great! I feel for you. I would have been livid if I were in your position.
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