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Post by karinms on May 5, 2015 4:58:49 GMT
...would you insist that they be moved or fired? I tried to be sympathetic but I am now concerned for my team's safety.
This person has regular outbursts, screaming and yelling at people, she has twice thrown things (once a knife, on the floor, the second time three very heavy keys (meant to open an xray machine) at three of us standing about 10 feet away.
I'm her boss in our "hall" but have to go to management above about this. She seems to be getting more unbalanced as the weeks go by and after a nasty outburst last week (she was upset that our boss called me over after watching her try to complete a task for 5 minutes) I was pretty much done with her behaviour. Today, she did something so bizarre I just can't deal with it anymore.
I feel bad on one hand.. but... like I said, something bad is going to happen one day.
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Post by freecharlie on May 5, 2015 5:06:21 GMT
Have you documented? Time, date, place, behavior, antecedent?
If she is throwing stuff at you or your team, i would definitely go to the upper people, but I would have all my documentation to back me up
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Post by mlynn on May 5, 2015 5:07:09 GMT
Why have you not already discussed it with them? This is entirely inappropriate, and they need to be made aware. It is not only a nuisance, but it could also be a hazard.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 5:08:00 GMT
Have these outbursts been documented and have you given her warnings about her behavior? I mean, obviously, that kind of stuff is totally unacceptable but you still want to have a paper trail.
Assuming you have that, I'd take it to HR/the next step of management and say she is a liability to th company and needs to go. Agree on what kind of incident will result in termination. And be prepared to call the police when you terminate her, because she's probably going to flip out.
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Post by smginaz Suzy on May 5, 2015 5:10:37 GMT
Don't diagnose her. Avoid terms like "mentally unbalanced, unstable" when discussing your concerns. After all, the reason why it is happening is not relevant to your concerns. Your concerns are that her actions are placing other people in potential danger and subjecting them to unprofessional workplace behavior. List the issues, the behaviors you see, and set an expectation if they reoccur, her employment is in jeopardy. I can tell you she would have been fired at my workplace for throwing things. Grownups do not throw things at each other unless they are playing baseball and it is a part of the game. That kind of action is not acceptable in the workplace. Don't give her a pass for bad behavior because you think there might be a mental health reason. Not your call, and even under accommodation regulations, you do not have to accommodate dangerous behavior.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 5:12:13 GMT
You will need security to escort her out of the building. I would pack up her things for her and have security move her out. If she is unionized you might have more trouble getting rid of her, but if you are not then give her the boot as we say.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 5, 2015 10:31:25 GMT
Have you documented? Time, date, place, behavior, antecedent? If she is throwing stuff at you or your team, i would definitely go to the upper people, but I would have all my documentation to back me up This. Document every weird episode. Tell upper mgmt every time. Let them decide to fire her.
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Post by M on May 5, 2015 10:39:53 GMT
Is there a policy in place to make supervisory referrals to an Employee Assistance Program? Maybe there is something going on biologically or outside of work that is bleeding over. I'm not suggesting that you give her a pass for her behavior as someone mentioned above, but she deserves a fair shake at addressing whatever is going on before she is terminated, no?
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 11:04:38 GMT
You need to go to management with facts about her behaviour, do not mention anything that is supposition on your part. As the boss on that hall you are responsible for everyones safety, you could be called in to question if someone gets hurt.
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Post by BarbaraUK on May 5, 2015 11:09:30 GMT
You need to go to management with facts about her behaviour, do not mention anything that is supposition on your part. As the boss on that hall you are responsible for everyones safety, you could be called in to question if someone gets hurt. Yes, I agree with this! And do it before she loses it totally or someone gets badly hurt because of her actions.
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Post by hop2 on May 5, 2015 11:14:26 GMT
I'd be fired for throwing things. It's classified as workplace violence. It's even in the preventing workplace violence training video. Actually first offense I'd be written up and required to do some sort of counseling, training or something. Second offense - out the door with escorts.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on May 5, 2015 11:20:06 GMT
Even if you know that she has been diagnosed with a mental illness do not mention it.
Talk to your supervisor and HR about her behavior, it is an unsafe work environment.
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Post by purplebee on May 5, 2015 11:21:10 GMT
Yes, what everyone has said: documentation is extremely important. But document dates and inappropriate behavior, and let HR/Management make the call. Good luck - I worked for 9 years with an unstable person, though not physically threatening, and was so relieved when yet another meltdown finally made our manager take action and have her transferred. Our workplace is sooooo much better without her, even working shorthanded since she left in Feb.
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Post by mommaho on May 5, 2015 12:23:58 GMT
Oh my - been there, tried to help, avoided after the outburst got worse and the individual was given assistance and sent to a clinic for 3 months. Transferred jobs on her return but after 6 months the same 'symptoms' returned. New boss, tired the same scenarios all over again only this time someone she targeted filed an EEOC Harassment Charge on her, and won. We never know what someone is going through but it should never be allowed to cause harm or make others fear them. Your HR department should know what to do, if not go above them to find out!
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Post by Country Ham on May 5, 2015 12:28:31 GMT
Don't diagnose her. Avoid terms like "mentally unbalanced, unstable" when discussing your concerns. After all, the reason why it is happening is not relevant to your concerns. ............................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................................and even under accommodation regulations, you do not have to accommodate dangerous behavior. The society I live in now it's actually just the opposite.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on May 5, 2015 12:33:51 GMT
You need to go to management with facts about her behaviour, do not mention anything that is supposition on your part. As the boss on that hall you are responsible for everyones safety, you could be called in to question if someone gets hurt. And document, document, document with just the facts, ma'am. No making diagnoses or giving your opinion on why she may be acting this way.
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Post by karinms on May 5, 2015 12:47:06 GMT
Thanks everyone. I've documented and followed up with management after every incident. The key incident is currently under 'investigation' by them. I have made sure that when discussing her I mention my concerns about the safety of my team and have two "team leads" who have spent enough time with her to know my concerns are valid.
We are unionized but she is not yet a full union member and they can in fact terminate her for any reason. I'll update asap.
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Post by likescarrots on May 5, 2015 14:30:17 GMT
I would 100% do everything in my power to have this person removed. They have physically assaulted their coworkers by throwing things and that is completely unacceptable. If this person hurts someone at your work, your employer could be in for a huge lawsuit.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 14:37:59 GMT
Then you can wipe you hands free of her if she is still under probation. If she goes to her union steward and claims to have a mental illness that does not give her a pass. I am speaking as someone who has a chronic mental illness and it is her job to stay mentally healthy not your's to accommodate her. That being said she may fall under the disabilities act (whatever you call it...federally here we call it Duty to Accommodate) and that may have some clout with you, but she will be forced to disclose an action plan how she plans to deal with her issues here on in. IF SHE DOESN'T then chances are they will escort her to the door.
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Post by mallie on May 5, 2015 14:41:22 GMT
Thanks everyone. I've documented and followed up with management after every incident. The key incident is currently under 'investigation' by them. I have made sure that when discussing her I mention my concerns about the safety of my team and have two "team leads" who have spent enough time with her to know my concerns are valid. We are unionized but she is not yet a full union member and they can in fact terminate her for any reason. I'll update asap. Given that you have documented, the next time she throws something like a knife, call the police. IME, that generally moves TPTB more quickly because there is now a public record and they can no longer deny/hide knowledge and their liability goes through the roof.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 17:52:59 GMT
Thanks everyone. I've documented and followed up with management after every incident. The key incident is currently under 'investigation' by them. I have made sure that when discussing her I mention my concerns about the safety of my team and have two "team leads" who have spent enough time with her to know my concerns are valid. We are unionized but she is not yet a full union member and they can in fact terminate her for any reason. I'll update asap. Given that you have documented, the next time she throws something like a knife, call the police. IME, that generally moves TPTB more quickly because there is now a public record and they can no longer deny/hide knowledge and their liability goes through the roof. Yup. If she throws scissors again (or whatever) and god forbid, someone is actually harmed next time, the company is going to have a huge law suit on their hands because they knew about the risk she posed and did nothing about it.
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Post by ukfan on May 5, 2015 17:55:57 GMT
I'd be fired for throwing things. It's classified as workplace violence. It's even in the preventing workplace violence training video. Actually first offense I'd be written up and required to do some sort of counseling, training or something. Second offense - out the door with escorts. That - I am not sure why she is still there - I would be immediately let go.
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Post by scrappert on May 5, 2015 18:04:22 GMT
Very scary!!!
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Post by mlynn on May 5, 2015 19:17:09 GMT
I would be tempted to tell management that for the safety and well-being of my team I was no loner willing to work with her and request that she be transferred.
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Post by Deleted on May 5, 2015 19:20:37 GMT
I'd be fired for throwing things. It's classified as workplace violence. Yup! Get HR involved today.
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Post by Rhondito on May 5, 2015 19:24:42 GMT
I would refuse to work as long as she was there. That type of behavior is insane - no one should have to deal with that at work.
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