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Post by hop2 on May 11, 2015 23:01:08 GMT
Yes I do get satire, but in today's media bite world I'm not sure he will get his point across properly. I 'get' what he's saying but I can't help but wonder if he could have put forth a call for a viable solution as opposed to satire that will get twisted in the media, and misunderstood by half. Then again perhaps he's really wise as the subject is getting a great deal of attention, attention it otherwise may not have gotten. It's just, where do you go from here to make it better and will that get the same attention.
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Post by gramasue on May 11, 2015 23:01:40 GMT
Reading has always been a part of our family life. I read to my girls when they were young, and they all read to their kids. I read to the grands whenever they were here, too. I think it's just part of a nice childhood, and it really is too bad that some parents don't see it that way, or don't take the time to make it a part of their daily routine. I never really thought of it as giving my kids an advantage over others; it was simply something that we did and enjoyed. It's a lovely way of sharing time with your children.
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Post by brina on May 11, 2015 23:15:46 GMT
Having now seen the link (I really did think it must be something from the Onion, which lately seems to be hitting a bit too close to home) I realize it is an academic, philosophical construct meant to promote discussion of a societal issue. Which it obviously has, although without the source material the conversation was skewed to the obvious and not the core issue.
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Post by beaglemom on May 11, 2015 23:47:08 GMT
I saw this article too. While I agree that it does give children a huge advantage, it isn't going to stop me from reading to my kids every day. I taught kindergarten in a couple different socio-economic areas and you can tell the kids that are read to on a regular basis. It is really sad! But instead of not reading to our kids, why don't we figure out how to get books into the hands of kids that don't have them. Other studies have shown it doesn't matter what language they are being read to in - as long as they understand it and are being read to.
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 11, 2015 23:47:26 GMT
"Evidence shows that the difference between those who get bedtime stories and those who don’t – the difference in their life chances – is bigger than the difference between those who get elite private schooling and those that don’t,” Swift said."
^^^ okay, after reading the (very small) article, this is about SOOOOOOOO much more than simply just reading to your kids or not-- a loving family unit is a whole separate issue than just reading. It's kind of like the simplistic "people who want to eat healthier should just buy vegetables" argument without thinking about how they can get to the store, do they know how to cook, etc.
and after reading what he wrote, I believe he was being sarcastic with his comment about restricting bedtime reading stories, not actually suggesting that people should not continue to read to their kids.
eta: and yes, obviously what he wrote is getting lost in the rush (see what I did there?? lol!) to judgment.
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Post by 950nancy on May 11, 2015 23:48:34 GMT
I read to my boys as much as possible. They both hate reading.
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Post by Deleted on May 11, 2015 23:51:15 GMT
Yes I do get satire, but in today's media bite world I'm not sure he will get his point across properly. I 'get' what he's saying but I can't help but wonder if he could have put forth a call for a viable solution as opposed to satire that will get twisted in the media, and misunderstood by half. Then again perhaps he's really wise as the subject is getting a great deal of attention, attention it otherwise may not have gotten. It's just, where do you go from here to make it better and will that get the same attention. Did you read the article I linked? He's not using satire. And he's not even suggesting that parents stop reading to their children.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on May 12, 2015 0:03:26 GMT
My mother and father never read to my brothers and I when we were growing up. Our mother did make sure we had library cards and would drive us to the library when asked. During the summer a book mobile came through the neighborhood every two weeks. My oldest brother and I are both avid readers, always have been.
My husband and I read to our daughter and son every day when they were young. Now neither one of them read as much or as often as I do. They read, they just don't love it like I do.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 12, 2015 0:33:40 GMT
A researcher , based on his studies, says that in order to level the playing field for all children, parents should not read to their children... It gives them an unfair advantage over those children whose parents do not read to them! Well, I enjoyed reading to my dd AND I wanted to give her every advantage possible. What happened to raising the lower end? It's the American way now. To hell with raising expectations, lower the bar so everyone qualifies for the blue ribbon. Happens so often in education. This wasn't in the USA.. I believe the study was done in England. And News reports were in Australia. www.9news.com.au/national/2015/05/05/09/44/bedtime-reading-could-disadvantage-other-children-academic-says#4QfXyedfVOuq05pE.99
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 0:38:04 GMT
I gave them an huge advantage...reading every night, tons of books, many trips to the library, flash cards, journals and so much more. Heck still as teenagers we will read as a family...oh my! Such a horrible parent...these studies always find something wrong.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 12, 2015 0:40:41 GMT
I was hoping it was satire, I thought it had to be satire, but after reading everything, I'm not 100% sure.
As a teacher, I remember sitting in curriculum meetings and arguing with people about making our curriculum easier. Their argument was that their kids couldn't achieve with the curriculum as it was. The curriculum needed to be easier and their opinion. My argument was that I would do everything I could to help those that had difficulty succeed. My school ranked right in the top 1% in the state in my subject. Their's was nowhere to be found in the rankings. So, if sensually, I have seen intelligent people make the same argument.
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Post by scrapaddie on May 12, 2015 0:43:19 GMT
Thanks to all who participated in this discussion. It has been extremely interesting.
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Post by bc2ca on May 12, 2015 1:07:48 GMT
Thank you ashley and @dottyscrapper for finding the original source. It is definitely not satire, but an interesting philosophical question and not about a researcher advocating parents stop reading to their children.
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Post by Native New Yorker on May 12, 2015 1:08:12 GMT
Stupid! I work with kindergarteners and I often show them things that are above their level, especially if they ask. Why aim for the bottom of the steps?
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Post by mikklynn on May 12, 2015 1:23:42 GMT
hop2 - I used to read to my granddaughter over the phone all the time. She lives 850 miles away. Is that something you could do?
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 12, 2015 1:54:36 GMT
If you missed it, Ashley and Dottyscrapper both linked a more helpful article on page 1.
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Post by tincin on May 12, 2015 1:59:21 GMT
I used reading as a punishment for my sons. IF they were behaving badly or acting up I wouldn't let them read in bed that night. OMG the looks I got from people when they would cry, "But Mom, you have to let me read!"
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 2:01:22 GMT
Yes completely.
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Post by caro on May 12, 2015 2:06:53 GMT
That's ridiculous. Next they'll be saying don't give kids crayons in preschool until age 4 to "level" the playing field for disadvantaged children. It's the dumbing down in education.
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Post by pierkiss on May 12, 2015 2:14:05 GMT
Hahahahaha! Hell yes I gave them an unfair advantage! There is nothing better than snuggling with my buddies and reading a bunch of totally awesome picture books with them! Reading has been a big part of my life and it was extremely important to me that my kids love reading as much as I do. I figured if I read to them often from day one they would love it. And they do!
I feel so sad for children who are not read to at home. I wish I had a solution.
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Post by BuckeyeSandy on May 12, 2015 2:23:24 GMT
Why is it unfair? They can (on the whole) read to them if they choose to. I certainly read to mine ![:smile:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/smiley.png) There are lots of excuses, but in the end, what is important to you, may not be to another. I'd ignore it and not say a word about it.
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Post by greenlegume on May 12, 2015 2:24:57 GMT
A researcher , based on his studies, says that in order to level the playing field for all children, parents should not read to their children... It gives them an unfair advantage over those children whose parents do not read to them! Well, I enjoyed reading to my dd AND I wanted to give her every advantage possible. What happened to raising the lower end? Oh hell to the NO. As someone whose teaching experience includes teaching K, 1, and Reading Recovery I am appalled. Beyond appalled. This is all kinds of wrong. I got so ramped up that I didn't finish reading. PLEASE tell me you have a link to this "research" or a source. I must have it.
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Post by greenlegume on May 12, 2015 2:29:36 GMT
Ok, I'm all caught up now.
Whew. I thought I was going to have to go raid the medicine cabinet for BIL's blood pressure meds.
*breathing depply and chanting Serenity Now*
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Post by seaexplore on May 12, 2015 2:39:41 GMT
Yep, I read to my kiddo. She's 3.5 years old and we're reading the Judy Moody and Friends books and the Stink series. She loves them!
As a teacher, I can tell the kids who were read to and the ones who weren't. This is at the JUNIOR HIGH level! Now, I have lots of kids who read on their phones. I was kinda against it at first. I do not like electronics being on in my classroom. Too many temptations to text and all that stuff. But I told all of them that they may read on their devices but the first time I catch them doing anything other than reading, they will lose the privilege FOREVER. So far, no problems.
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Post by lucyg on May 12, 2015 2:42:31 GMT
Okay, so I've read both the WND article and the original interview, and it's clear to me that this professor did not say what Rush and the right-wing media say he said. Meanwhile, here at 2peas we have two pages of responses, mostly by people who didn't read the entire thread and certainly did not read the original piece, castigating the author. Some of them will go out and tell their family and friends about that awful left-wing college professor who wants to outlaw bedtime stories. And their friends will tell their friends. And none of them will care that it isn't actually true. It just gives them another opportunity to complain about the race to the bottom in American (!!) society. Sooner or later, someone will say THANKS, OBAMA!! (Okay, that last part was just a joke. Sort of.) I just wish the OP had researched the facts before spreading this misinformation, and that sites like WND hadn't run with such a clear misinterpretation of the actual reporting. Nothing personal, scrapaddie. It happens here all the time, on all sides of the spectrum. It happens everywhere.
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Post by greenlegume on May 12, 2015 2:44:26 GMT
Just for lucyg: ![](http://cdn.meme.am/instances/500x/55614310.jpg)
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 12, 2015 2:45:42 GMT
I think the researcher is off his rocker. I agree! And yes, I read to my kids (and still do!)
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 2:48:43 GMT
I think the researcher is off his rocker. I agree! And yes, I read to my kids (and still do!) But again that ISN'T what he said.
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Post by Deleted on May 12, 2015 2:49:06 GMT
Okay, so I've read both the WND article and the original interview, and it's clear to me that this professor did not say what Rush and the right-wing media say he said. Meanwhile, here at 2peas we have two pages of responses, mostly by people who didn't read the entire thread and certainly did not read the original piece, castigating the author. Some of them will go out and tell their family and friends about that awful left-wing college professor who wants to outlaw bedtime stories. And their friends will tell their friends. And none of them will care that it isn't actually true. It just gives them another opportunity to complain about the race to the bottom in American (!!) society. Sooner or later, someone will say THANKS, OBAMA!! (Okay, that last part was just a joke. Sort of.) I just wish the OP had researched the facts before spreading this misinformation, and that sites like WND hadn't run with such a clear misinterpretation of the actual reporting. Nothing personal, scrapaddie. It happens here all the time, on all sides of the spectrum. It happens everywhere. Exactly, so tired of this phenomenon.
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Post by lucyg on May 12, 2015 2:58:57 GMT
Actually, I want to reword. The WND reporting wasn't so egregious. Rush's interpretation was horrible, misleading, and self-serving, though. ugh
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