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Post by scrappyoutlaw on May 12, 2015 18:42:45 GMT
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Post by jamh on May 13, 2015 1:43:40 GMT
Is this class audio only?
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 13, 2015 1:56:00 GMT
Is this class audio only? jamh It looks like it.
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Post by jamh on May 13, 2015 2:26:57 GMT
I am a visual learner, so as much as I like Shimelle, I will have to pass on this one.
jamh
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Post by TracieClaiborne on May 13, 2015 7:16:30 GMT
I had the idea of doing something like this a while ago but I talked myself out of it because it was not the norm. I'm glad they are doing this - I like the audio format idea!
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Post by FurryP on May 13, 2015 16:24:44 GMT
$37 (reg price) for audio only? No way, there are too many other options out there. Of course not the same subject, but enough to keep me entertained. I'm thinking of doing the May Flaum summer class.
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Post by impearia on May 13, 2015 16:26:59 GMT
I don't get how they can charge $37 for an audio only class! I love Shimelle, but I prefer just to watch her process. She has the Cover to Cover class which sounds similar and includes videos! Which reminds me, I bought it at her sale and have to watch it.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on May 13, 2015 16:37:01 GMT
I agree that at $37 it is way too steep, but since I got it for $19 I was willing to pay to at least check it out. I have never had an audio only class, so who knows...maybe I will love it.
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Post by lily123 on May 15, 2015 4:41:20 GMT
Scrappyoutlaw - I would love to hear how you feel about the class. I ummed and ahhhed over this but in the end didn't make the leap. I'm very visual too and I just wasn't sure how I'd go.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 15, 2015 5:18:37 GMT
Not for me. I love shimelle but Noelle makes me crazy... and I can't imagine paying for an audio class that sounds essentially like a podcast or radio show.
I would love to here reviews from those that bought it though.
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Post by impearia on May 15, 2015 7:37:58 GMT
doesitmatter Why does Noelle make you crazy, I don't know anything about her.
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Post by ReneeH20 on May 16, 2015 16:10:02 GMT
I agree that at $37 it is way too steep, but since I got it for $19 I was willing to pay to at least check it out. I have never had an audio only class, so who knows...maybe I will love it. I agree with this. No way would I pay $37 for this. I am about half way through it and if you did Shimelle's cover to cover class and/or have a paperclipping membership which is only about $28/yr after the first year - you have heard most of the material in the first half. Hopefully the second half will be something new.
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Post by meridon on May 17, 2015 1:56:28 GMT
Noelle makes me a little crazy, too..a little too ditsy and easily distracted. She may be better when it's just her in her videos for subscribers, but on the Roundtable, she does irk me a bit at times with getting off topic. Not sure if that's the other poster's issue or not.
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Post by christinec68 on May 17, 2015 12:09:24 GMT
Noelle makes me a little crazy, too..a little too ditsy and easily distracted. She may be better when it's just her in her videos for subscribers, but on the Roundtable, she does irk me a bit at times with getting off topic. Not sure if that's the other poster's issue or not. I feel the same way plus I hate it when she is introducing a new to the roundtable guest and says something like "Um, uh, I don't know if I am saying their uh name correctly?" I think that's so rude and disrespectful plus it shows a lack of preparation.
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Post by JustTricia on May 17, 2015 14:25:27 GMT
Noelle makes me a little crazy, too..a little too ditsy and easily distracted. She may be better when it's just her in her videos for subscribers, but on the Roundtable, she does irk me a bit at times with getting off topic. Not sure if that's the other poster's issue or not. Noell doesn't bother me, but Izzy has started to. Maybe I just didn't notice it before, but it seems like he's been distracting the conversation and almost insulting crafters. Maybe it's just me. The last couple of shows have seemed out of touch to me. The subscription trend episode pushed subscriptions and didn't really show the opposite viewpoint until the next episode with a very well thought out comment from a listener. A couple of weeks ago there was an episode about products you'd like to see made and the majority of the show talked about products that aren't around anymore. To me that's a completely different show. I still listen because I still love it, but I do cringe while listening sometimes.
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Post by Loydene on May 17, 2015 15:13:17 GMT
I won't do "audio" only --- I never listened to the radio much back in the day. I do listen to books on tape, but that is a plot driven thing ... not just a rambling discussion -- for 6 hours!
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Post by Prenticekid on May 17, 2015 15:17:02 GMT
Wait. So Noell always sounds like this?? I got the class because I like Shimelle and the subject matter. I've only seen Noell in CHA videos. I have now suffered through three episodes of the "class." I don't even want to listen to the rest of them. I have never heard anyone sounding so unprepared for anything - and it is a class, not a roundtable, so she should be prepared to talk about something each episode, right? She hems and haws constantly. I'm in the process of planning subject albums, and I could be giving the class better than Noell. We are three episodes/hours/whatever in and all I know from her is that Noell's daughter wants to be a professional dancer and, apparently, Noell has a Nutcracker album on her. Izzy has come up with some good points (that were brushed aside by Noell)...he should have done a class outline for her to follow.
At least Shimelle is enthusiastic as always. Too bad she isn't being given more to work with. I think she's following Noell's lead though ... to the detriment of the entire class.
I feel like a crumudgeon saying all that, but we're halfway in and so far there is no content. If you'd like, I'll take one for the team though and update you as I listen to the remaining episodes.
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Post by Loydene on May 17, 2015 15:24:37 GMT
I'm glad to hear your assessment, Prenticekid. I appreciate your giving us your honest input -- and I'd love to hear your continuing thoughts.
I'm reminded of the "Heidi days" of the overlong, overpriced, Big Picture class where she was ill prepared. You'd think someone would learn!?!
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on May 17, 2015 17:53:58 GMT
I'm only two hours in but personally I've really enjoyed it so far. I do agree with everyone in that it is not structured rigidly and is more a free flow conversation, but I like that since I listen to it while I'm cleaning or cooking so the laid back feel fits for me.
I also like the content a lot because I have always done the classic style of scrapping with a picture and some notes describing the picture. Essentially the who, what, when, where, and why. I've never done more storytelling or deeper stories in my scrapping because I never knew how. I already have several album and layout ideas that I'm excited to try, and the class is helping me branch out in the brainstorming process.
I can imagine for more experienced scrappers with a broad skill set it wouldn't be as valuable. I'm sorry to hear some aren't enjoying it. I can't wait to start the next segment this evening!
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Post by christinec68 on May 17, 2015 18:29:15 GMT
JustTricia it's not just you. At the end of last year, I stopped listening all together because of Izzy's interjections. It was on a particularly serious episode about losses and using scrapbooking & art journaling as a means of dealing with some of those emotions. He interrupted with some ridiculous statement, I don't even remember what, just that it was wildly insensitive & inappropriate and then followed up with "I thought about not saying something but decided what the heck" (I'm paraphrasing). I turned it off and never listened to another episode again.
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Post by FurryP on May 17, 2015 18:34:47 GMT
Wait. So Noell always sounds like this?? I got the class because I like Shimelle and the subject matter. I've only seen Noell in CHA videos. I have now suffered through three episodes of the "class." I don't even want to listen to the rest of them. I have never heard anyone sounding so unprepared for anything - and it is a class, not a roundtable, so she should be prepared to talk about something each episode, right? She hems and haws constantly. I'm in the process of planning subject albums, and I could be giving the class better than Noell. We are three episodes/hours/whatever in and all I know from her is that Noell's daughter wants to be a professional dancer and, apparently, Noell has a Nutcracker album on her. Izzy has come up with some good points (that were brushed aside by Noell)...he should have done a class outline for her to follow. At least Shimelle is enthusiastic as always. Too bad she isn't being given more to work with. I think she's following Noell's lead though ... to the detriment of the entire class. I feel like a crumudgeon saying all that, but we're halfway in and so far there is no content. If you'd like, I'll take one for the team though and update you as I listen to the remaining episodes. No crumudgeon. You are a paying customer. If that is how you feel, that is how you feel. I appreciate truthfulness rather than false fan girl hype. I was not interested in the class from the get go, but I still would be interested in your final assessment.
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Post by deekaye on May 18, 2015 21:56:52 GMT
I am about 1/2 way through this class and am enjoying it. I am usually a very visual learner (which is why I love Noelle's videos) but I went in to this class knowing that it wasn't teaching HOW to do something (ie., showing a technique) but talking about WAYS to do something (ie., create story albums). I commute over an hour a day and enjoy listening to this class. 'Helps that I jumped on in the beginning so only paid $19.
My only complaint about this class (and Paperclipping Roundtable)? Izzy's laugh is identical to my former high school boyfriend's laugh.... and he is former boyfriend for a reason. I gringe everytime Izzy laughs.... sorry Izzy!
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Post by crimsoncat05 on May 18, 2015 22:36:30 GMT
Nothing to comment on about the class, but wanted to let people know that Noelle has ADD... that (I think) is why she jumps around so much and seems so easily distracted. (I haven't listed to the Roundtable in forever, but I do remember hearing that.)
I don't think I could do an audio-only class, either... I'm much more of a visual learner.
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Post by jamh on May 19, 2015 15:14:01 GMT
I just want Shimelle to come back with a couple of her own new classes and also for her to restore some of her Two Peas classes(that she promised to do).
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Post by doesitmatter on May 20, 2015 3:51:36 GMT
Ok so I hadn't been back here but I agree with the above. I can't quite put my finger on it other than what others have said, but Noelle and Izzy just aren't for me. And that's ok, different strokes and all that...
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Post by meridon on May 21, 2015 18:34:04 GMT
JustTricia it's not just you. At the end of last year, I stopped listening all together because of Izzy's interjections. It was on a particularly serious episode about losses and using scrapbooking & art journaling as a means of dealing with some of those emotions. He interrupted with some ridiculous statement, I don't even remember what, just that it was wildly insensitive & inappropriate and then followed up with "I thought about not saying something but decided what the heck" (I'm paraphrasing). I turned it off and never listened to another episode again. I totally remember that and had the same reaction! I get that he's the producer and Noelle's husband, but sometimes he needs to just let the guests speak. I never really understood why it was supposed to be helpful to the premise of the show to have the "non-scrapper's" perspective or whatever it is exactly he is supposed to provide. Maybe as Noelle's sidekick, he's supposed to keep the whole thing from going off the rails when she goes off on a complete tangent. Sometimes those are fun and end up being informative, but sometimes they are just annoying as they are taking away from whatever the topic of the episode was supposed to be.
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Post by Chinagirl828 on May 22, 2015 4:59:47 GMT
After some internal debate I ended up buying this. I've taken a few of Shimelle's classes including Cover to Cover but have only taken one class from Noell (the romantic course) and am not a member of paperclipping. So far I have listened to five of the six episodes. Here's what I think so far:
* I don't mind the audio format as I often listen to podcasts while driving or scrapping.
* I often wish the roundtable discussions would last longer so I'm enjoying the extended discussion.
* Many of the principles discussed would benefit from a visual component. There are two episodes (out of six) on visual cohesion - creating a unified approach to your story through design, elements, colours, etc. While they both provide really specific examples I think having an accompanying PDF with images of some of those principles would really help. I find it easy to visualise how this works in real life from Shimelle's examples because she talks about layouts that have appeared in Glitter Girl episodes or other classes I've taken. I have a very limited frame of reference for Noell's layouts so while I can understand "I use the same embellishment at the start of every section" I think it would have emphasised the lesson to see three or four examples of how she has done this in her album.
* Both Noell and Shimelle have a tendency to go down a rabbit hole during the discussion so instead of discussing the key principle of the episode we end up hearing why Shimelle moved house several times in quick succession.
*As mentioned by a pp Izzy has added value by asking some pertinent questions. Rather than being an afterthought on the episode these would have made a great basis for the discussion.
* For me I don't think it is good value for money at $19 (let alone at $37!). If a PDF or video was included which gave an overview of the lessons discussed as well as some images of examples that demonstrated those lessons in action I would feel the value was better.
I have no regrets about buying this class but future audio only classes will need to be on a topic I am desperate to learn more about or be with a teacher I feel I can learn a great deal from to make me jump on this bandwagon again.
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Post by christinec68 on May 22, 2015 14:10:17 GMT
meridon I never understood his role either and it makes no sense to me that he acts as a producer and is an editor but leaves in the "I'm getting some feedback. _____ unplug your headset then plug it back in. [pause} Ok, it's good now." Edit that crap out. Sorry, I am clearly not a fan. Chinagirl828, thanks for your class review!!
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Post by katyscrap on May 22, 2015 18:16:39 GMT
I bought it but it won't download on my ipad. I have to figure something else out or my money is wasted.
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Post by christinec68 on May 23, 2015 1:34:50 GMT
I bought it but it won't download on my ipad. I have to figure something else out or my money is wasted. If you email them, I am sure there's a solution. They are very much Mac/Apple people.
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