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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 20:55:52 GMT
Yikes! I'm all for reasonable accommodation and support for students, but that's just getting crazy now. If she can't handle the stress and anxiety of taking an exam in a distraction-free environment with extra time, how will she ever function as a nurse? Does she get to perform nursing duties in a quiet room with extra time?
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:01:04 GMT
That woman is not equipped to be a nurse.
Period.
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Post by papersilly on May 13, 2015 21:09:35 GMT
my niece is graduating from nursing school next semester. the courses have been hard and the clinicals, strenuous or challenging. but she is a smart and strong kid. today was her last final for this semester. one more to go and we know she can do it. if this girl can't cut it, she's not nursing material. I certainly don't want her to be my nurse.
my friend's brother in law has been unable to take his CPA exams because he the thought of the test gets him so anxious that he gets physically ill. this has been going on for years. he knows the problem is him, not the school, not the exams. HIM. again, if this girl can't cut it, she doesn't deserve it. it's ridiculous to sue the school for something that's her problem.
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Post by anniebygaslight on May 13, 2015 21:13:55 GMT
Another example of someone who can't take responsibility.
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Post by birukitty on May 13, 2015 21:14:40 GMT
This kind of thing just makes me shake my head. Absolutely ridiculous! What happened to the concept of personal responsibility? More and more it seems we are seeing these types of instances where this generation can't seem to take personal responsibility but have to shove the blame onto someone else. Is it my imagination?
I agree busypea-that woman is not equipped to be a nurse!
And it's not that I don't feel for her limitations-I had a 10 year struggle with severe depression (I know that savage beast personally) and my DS has anxiety-but she was given the accommodations the University was supposed to give by law. And yet she failed the class twice even with those accommodations and she has the nerve to sue the University? I hope she is thrown out of court on her as*!
Debbie in MD.
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Post by jemali on May 13, 2015 21:24:38 GMT
My dd is going to college and majoring in nursing. She had to take anatomy her first or second year before she even started the nursing program. One of her classmates thought that watching "Grey's Anatomy" on TV would be sufficient studying. Needless to say, she failed. So she transferred to another college that has an "easier" nursing program. Hope I'm never her patient!
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Post by arielsmom on May 13, 2015 21:33:07 GMT
Wow, if she is too stressed out to take the test, nursing is not for her. You need to be calm and be able to think on your feet.
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Post by iamkristinl16 on May 13, 2015 21:42:53 GMT
I know someone who is in a similar situation....he has a low IQ, anxiety and personality disorders, poor social skills and other issues. He is going to college for Geography and is an older student. He has accomodations such as taking tests in quiet places, has note takers in class, goes to a place that helps you write papers, and has gotten a TON of extra time for assignments. He is always complaining that he isn't getting enough help. I personally feel that college is not a right, and that not everyone needs to or should go to college. At some point someone needs to tell him that it may not be right for him. I have very little doubt that he will have a hard time getting a job. For one thing, I would imagine that jobs in that field are not very common. Second, he does not present well and would have a hard time in an interview. If he did get a job, he would most likely have difficulty with the duties and social aspects of it. Will he feel that he is entitled to help at work as well? At what point do the accomodations become unreasonable? I think we will have more of this as time goes on due to the number of people who are on IEP's and have accomodations in school. They will think that those accomodations should follow them throughout their lives.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:49:20 GMT
I suffer from anxiety terribly...I have not been able to move I was so anxious. I never, ever got an exam deferred and if I failed course(s) in my field of study I think I would pick something I was better at. My depression/anxiety are *my* problems I deal with. They are not my professors' problems, the school's or any else's.
Her parents are probably mad that they fronted her education and now she is failing out of it.
BTW I used to volunteer at Disabled Student Services and I preceded over exams for people who needed extra time, needed questions to be read to them because of dyslexia etc. I made text books on tape for blind students etc. (This was so much fun!!!) Suing a university because of anxiety? Give me an effing break!
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 21:53:28 GMT
Oh my goodness! I would never want to receive medical care from her.
We all have limitations. It's time she recognized hers.
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Post by hop2 on May 13, 2015 21:53:56 GMT
Yikes! I'm all for reasonable accommodation and support for students, but that's just getting crazy now. If she can't handle the stress and anxiety of taking an exam in a distraction-free environment with extra time, how will she ever function as a nurse? Does she get to perform nursing duties in a quiet room with extra time? I can't think of a nursing job that wouldn't eventually have an emergency requiring a quick, calm, collected, decisive, response. Even the elementary school nurse has an emergency here and there.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 13, 2015 21:54:49 GMT
Oh man, can I just say that there is NO WAY I would want her to be my nurse!
Seriously, if a student cannot handle the course load to become a nurse (or doctor, lawyer, etc) they SHOULD NOT be given a way to make it easier for them to pass the class. The class is hard to help prepare them for the career - which is much harder, and potentially holds patients' lives in the balance.
So, if this woman eventually passes, and somehow becomes a nurse, what is going to happen when a real life or death scenario comes about and she has no "quiet, extra time" to figure out how to save her patient?
Her even being granted distraction-free environment is a huge dis-service to the future health and well being of her future patients. And discredits the abilities of the nursing field as a whole. I never want to question if a nurse is thoroughly capable of handling a situation under pressure. By legitimately becoming a nurse, passing all the rigors it takes to achieve that certification, that is my peace of mind.
No accommodations should be made. This is not elementary school. And not everyone is meant to be a nurse. This is not pee wee softball, and not everyone gets a certificate just for participation.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 13, 2015 21:56:11 GMT
I'm all for accommodations but there is a limit.
The disability (?) and the desired professions seem incompatible here. A patient in need would be more stress provoking than an exam.
Maybe she can move into another arm of healthcare?
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Post by Gravity on May 13, 2015 21:56:54 GMT
I've been a Registered Nurse for twenty years. If she can't handle nursing school without anxiety and stress, she certainly can't handle being a nurse. It's time for her to find a new career.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 13, 2015 22:03:34 GMT
I know someone who is in a similar situation....he has a low IQ, anxiety and personality disorders, poor social skills and other issues. He is going to college for Geography and is an older student. He has accomodations such as taking tests in quiet places, has note takers in class, goes to a place that helps you write papers, and has gotten a TON of extra time for assignments. He is always complaining that he isn't getting enough help. I personally feel that college is not a right, and that not everyone needs to or should go to college. At some point someone needs to tell him that it may not be right for him. I have very little doubt that he will have a hard time getting a job. For one thing, I would imagine that jobs in that field are not very common. Second, he does not present well and would have a hard time in an interview. If he did get a job, he would most likely have difficulty with the duties and social aspects of it. Will he feel that he is entitled to help at work as well? At what point do the accomodations become unreasonable? I think we will have more of this as time goes on due to the number of people who are on IEP's and have accomodations in school. They will think that those accomodations should follow them throughout their lives. I see this as different situation. And if he's older it's likely many have told him he's not college material. If he has time and finances to attend, so be it. Maybe there are slow paced research jobs availab, or many more I can't imagine. But he would not be responsible for another's care, or require fast decision making.
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Post by Deleted on May 13, 2015 22:03:53 GMT
Maybe it was just as well that she found out now before she went anywhere near the patients.
Why are some people so deluded about their ability to cope with jobs that are clearly not suitable for them, both from the level of responsibility that is needed and academically?
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Post by ten&rose on May 13, 2015 22:50:43 GMT
I read this and it irritated me. The only accomodation I get is some preference in scheduling clinicals due to my family situation. If you can't cut the work of nursing school, I don't want you taking care of my family.
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Post by MichyM on May 13, 2015 22:53:55 GMT
I agree with just about everything posted. If you cannot hack nursing school, the last thing I want it you caring for me!
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Post by greenlegume on May 13, 2015 22:55:03 GMT
That woman is not equipped to be a nurse. Period. But I do have to add this. To all you college professors and instructors, get ready for LOTS more of this kind of thing. It's what we have been dealing with in the lower levels for quite a few years. This kind of stuff was a large part of why I just had to walk away from teaching 2 years ago. I feel for you all!
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Post by basketdiva on May 13, 2015 23:05:31 GMT
Yikes! I'm all for reasonable accommodation and support for students, but that's just getting crazy now. If she can't handle the stress and anxiety of taking an exam in a distraction-free environment with extra time, how will she ever function as a nurse? Does she get to perform nursing duties in a quiet room with extra time? My thoughs exactly when I read the article yesterday
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Post by DEX on May 13, 2015 23:08:00 GMT
I have not read all of the other replies so forgive me if I repeat. If she can not handle the stress of school, she would never last in the real world of nursing. It is tremendously stressful nearly every day. A nurse is responsible for detecting small nuances in change of condition. That is an everyday thing but still extremely stressful because in some patients, a small change, leads to a major problem. After you have missed your first "small change" you are forever changed. You stress about every weight gain, every lung crackle, every high temp. "Is this going to lead to death because I didn't catch it soon enough?" "What can I do better?" Nursing isn't just about learning, but also about applying your knowledge in real life. You make split second decisions. You are the eyes and ears when the doctor is not there. Those who are nurses will also tell you," Don't even get me started on State Boards".
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Post by epeanymous on May 13, 2015 23:45:56 GMT
My university actually has pretty specific policies in terms of the formal process you use to seek accommodations and the kinds of accommodations that are available for things like clinically diagnosed anxiety. When I have students who want to be accommodated I have them go through that process because I don't pretend to be an expert on the ADA or required accommodation, and because there are people at the university who are paid to figure that stuff out. Most of the time I don't even know what accommodations have been provided for the students (when a student is being permitted to record classes, I do get informed about that), and when students with or without disabilities try to negotiate accommodations with me outside that process, my answer is no, as I don't think it is reasonable (I do make accommodations for some things -- deaths in the family, eg., mean that I will take students off of the call roster for a while -- because I am not an actual unfeeling horrible person).
I really wonder what happened here, since it sounds like the professor was crafting his or her own solution to the student's issues. I wouldn't feel comfortable doing that myself.
I will offer that professors are under a lot of pressure to pass students, and that "getting sued" is one reason why. I will also offer that while I am not someone who thinks these kids today are so much worse than they used to be, blah blah, they definitely expect a much higher frequency of communication and access to professors outside of class, and I have had to set up policies and boundaries that were not necessary twelve-ish years ago when I first started teaching.
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Post by Pahina722 on May 13, 2015 23:57:25 GMT
That woman is not equipped to be a nurse. Period. But I do have to add this. To all you college professors and instructors, get ready for LOTS more of this kind of thing. It's what we have been dealing with in the lower levels for quite a few years. This kind of stuff was a large part of why I just had to walk away from teaching 2 years ago. I feel for you all! We are already seeing it in our classes. In fact, we had a nursing student try to get an instructor fired because she was failing a required class and not being allowed to retake tests she had done poorly on. And the the state legislature isn't making our job any easier as it keeps attempting to tie our funding to our students' success--based in part on how many of them pass our classes. So, in order to get funding, we have to improve our pass and retention rate. It doesn't seem to matter that as a community college, we have to take EVERYONE with a high school diploma and now can't even test them to place them into remedial classes if they aren't ready for college-level work. So, somehow we are to provide a quality education with no funding to unprepared people who think they should get an A simply for showing up occasionally. I love my job. I love my job. I love my job. . . .
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Post by greenlegume on May 14, 2015 0:10:03 GMT
But I do have to add this. To all you college professors and instructors, get ready for LOTS more of this kind of thing. It's what we have been dealing with in the lower levels for quite a few years. This kind of stuff was a large part of why I just had to walk away from teaching 2 years ago. I feel for you all! We are already seeing it in our classes. In fact, we had a nursing student try to get an instructor fired because she was failing a required class and not being allowed to retake tests she had done poorly on. And the the state legislature isn't making our job any easier as it keeps attempting to tie our funding to our students' success--based in part on how many of them pass our classes. So, in order to get funding, we have to improve our pass and retention rate. It doesn't seem to matter that as a community college, we have to take EVERYONE with a high school diploma and now can't even test them to place them into remedial classes if they aren't ready for college-level work. So, somehow we are to provide a quality education with no funding to unprepared people who think they should get an A simply for showing up occasionally. I love my job. I love my job. I love my job. . . . I feel your pain, BTDT (student's success affecting my pay, crazy unattainable "improvements" being mandated, having to take ANYONE, being shut down on appropriate student placement, etc.). Your last sentence. . . YES. Plus parents who think their child deserves an A simply for existing.** It's what's been happening in the lower levels for 10+ years I salute all of you who are still hanging in . . .For many years, I swore I wouldn't be another teacher burnout, but my current district and state broke me Bless every single one of you who's still toughing it out. **I do know that there are many parents who are not like this (and thank you to all of you who aren't!), but the ones who are . . . they're multiplying, and they're getting more and more outrageous.
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Post by AnotherPea on May 14, 2015 0:11:07 GMT
Student Sues University I'm thinking if a student has that much problem passing courses, for whatever reason, perhaps that isn't the best career choice for them. Sometimes you just have to accept your limitations and move on. The article for those who don't want to use the link: This is exactly what high school teachers have been talking about for years. We provide all of these extra "support"s for students SO THEY CAN PASS - not so they can learn. Not so they can figure out how to overcome issues. Schools are starting to provide accommodations for juniors and seniors - right at the age that these kids should have been weaned away from them.
I teach high school. I have been to probably thirty IEP/504 meetings in the last five years where parents were trying to initiate accommodations. Just getting them started in high school. I've been to ONE in the same time period where a parent/student "graduated" from needing help. He had worked to get to the point where he did not want anything special. Or need it.
THAT should be our goal in education - help the children help themselves.
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Post by greenlegume on May 14, 2015 0:26:34 GMT
Student Sues University I'm thinking if a student has that much problem passing courses, for whatever reason, perhaps that isn't the best career choice for them. Sometimes you just have to accept your limitations and move on. The article for those who don't want to use the link: This is exactly what high school teachers have been talking about for years. We provide all of these extra "support"s for students SO THEY CAN PASS - not so they can learn. Not so they can figure out how to overcome issues. Schools are starting to provide accommodations for juniors and seniors - right at the age that these kids should have been weaned away from them.
I teach high school. I have been to probably thirty IEP/504 meetings in the last five years where parents were trying to initiate accommodations. Just getting them started in high school. I've been to ONE in the same time period where a parent/student "graduated" from needing help. He had worked to get to the point where he did not want anything special. Or need it.
THAT should be our goal in education - help the children help themselves.
re: the statement I bolded . . . I would bet you big $ that many of these parents had been refusing SPED placement, and thus help and accommodations, for years and years. Coming from the extreme other end (K and primary), I lost count of children whose parents refused testing and/or services because they didn't want their child 'labeled.' Even while teaching Reading Recovery (which is NOT a sped placement . . . it's just intense, one-on-one, highly specialized and individualized literacy instruction), it could be a huge ordeal to get parents to allow that. Many parents would say things like "he/she has plenty of time to catch up." They tell themselves this for years and years, and then BAM, reality finally hits these parents when the student is in high school, and they are forced to face the issues, and then they're scrambling. And a huge, emphatic YES to your last statement.
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Post by dazeepetals on May 14, 2015 1:22:01 GMT
That's like a pharmacist who doesn't get at least a 75% on their pharmacy calculations class and fails.....maybe they shouldn't be dispensing medications.
During that class when I was in school, the schools thought was that if you couldn't calculate simple math equations correctly more than 3/4 of the time (75%) that you shouldn't pass the class (i.e. F=74% or less) and complete pharmacy school. I had at least 2 people from my class fail that class for that reason.
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Post by Pahina722 on May 14, 2015 2:27:34 GMT
That's like a pharmacist who doesn't get at least a 75% on their pharmacy calculations class and fails.....maybe they shouldn't be dispensing medications. During that class when I was in school, the schools thought was that if you couldn't calculate simple math equations correctly more than 3/4 of the time (75%) that you shouldn't pass the class (i.e. F=74% or less) and complete pharmacy school. I had at least 2 people from my class fail that class for that reason. Our nursing dosages classes include the same simple types of equations that are absolutely vital for nurses to know, yet students couldn't understand why they had to get at least a 75 to pass the class. Seriously, who thinks that it's okay to calculate 1 out of 4 dosages incorrectly? Who wants to be cared for by a nurse who might give you the wrong thing 25%of the time? and it doesn't help any when administration caves in because they're afraid of bad press from student complaints. I wonder how much worse the bad press will be when an incompetent graduate kills someone by administering the wrong dosage of meds.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on May 14, 2015 2:30:52 GMT
I personally feel that college is not a right, and that not everyone needs to or should go to college. I couldn't agree more, unfortunately that is not the mindset of most people.
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Post by salem on May 14, 2015 2:46:23 GMT
This is just ridiculous. She is working toward a career that will stress her out far more than any of the classes leading up to it. There are just some careers that will not allow accommodations and nursing is one of them. She needs to pick another job goal and get her issues under control. Stop blaming everyone else because she can't handle it.
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