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Post by originalvanillabean on May 14, 2015 2:52:51 GMT
Ridiculous. There are no words. SMH.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 5:06:17 GMT
That is so beyond the pale that I have no words.
For all the amazing teachers still hanging in there:
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Post by AnotherPea on May 14, 2015 11:25:11 GMT
I personally feel that college is not a right, and that not everyone needs to or should go to college. I couldn't agree more, unfortunately that is not the mindset of most people. Yep and yep.
The schools are just as guilty of perpetuating this idea as the friends and family.
I have a student that has very few academic skills. He has an IEP and his case manager claims that he probably should be in occupational classes but his IQ *just hit the cutoff mark. He is disruptive and has almost zero work ethic. His caseworker insists on giving him his tests where I am 100% convinced the boy cheats to just get a D.
Yet every meeting I have revolves around how I need to pass him along so he can get into a good university. Not decent community college, but a good university.
I'd bet everything I own that he would not last a full year at a university, even if one accepted him. Why are we setting this kid up for an unattainable goal?
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Post by Pahina722 on May 14, 2015 14:54:46 GMT
I couldn't agree more, unfortunately that is not the mindset of most people. Yep and yep.
The schools are just as guilty of perpetuating this idea as the friends and family.
I have a student that has very few academic skills. He has an IEP and his case manager claims that he probably should be in occupational classes but his IQ *just hit the cutoff mark. He is disruptive and has almost zero work ethic. His caseworker insists on giving him his tests where I am 100% convinced the boy cheats to just get a D.
Yet every meeting I have revolves around how I need to pass him along so he can get into a good university. Not decent community college, but a good university.
I'd bet everything I own that he would not last a full year at a university, even if one accepted him. Why are we setting this kid up for an unattainable goal?
Several years back, the problem with our college for all philosophy was crystallized for me with one student. She was taking Reading 2 (remedial reading for those not reading up to a college level) for the third time, and failing miserably---again. Mind you, the course was programmed. The same tests given over the same material, the same vocabulary words to memorize, so this girl had already done all the same work twice, studied the same vocabulary, taken the same tests, and still wasn't coming close to passing ANY test. AND she was taking her tests in the ADA offices where they were being read to her because of her ADA accommodations. Remember, this was a reading class. Catch the irony? Frustrated, I called our ADA office to get some advice on what was wrong. "She doesn't retain information either short term or long term and has difficulty processing information presented orally or in writing." I blurted out, "So what you're telling me is that her disability is that she's STUPID?" The ADA coordinator waffled around for a bit, but essentially admitted that, yes, that was it--in an earlier time, this girl would have been classified as "retarded," but because some well-meaning high school had allowed her to get a diploma with her 1.5 GPA, we had to take her. What was even scarier was that she wanted to be an elementary school teacher. She couldn't READ, yet we were advising her as if she could get an AA and move on to the university because if we hadn't, if we had said, "you can't do this. How about child care?" We could have been charged with an ADA violation. When did honesty become discrimination? Why aren't we telling the kid with a 2.0 GPA and a 12 on the ACT that being a doctor or a lawyer isn't in the cards? Encouraging healthy self-esteem is one thing, but fostering delusions is entirely different.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on May 14, 2015 15:25:29 GMT
Yikes! I'm all for reasonable accommodation and support for students, but that's just getting crazy now. If she can't handle the stress and anxiety of taking an exam in a distraction-free environment with extra time, how will she ever function as a nurse? Does she get to perform nursing duties in a quiet room with extra time? I haven't even read the other posts and I had to quote you because when I heard this on the radio, this is exactly what I though!! Do you want the nurse who is easily distracted working on you? Not all careers are for all people. I suck at math, therefore I cannot run the space program, no matter how badly I may want to. She needs to let it go and find a career that's a better match for her. And once again, I am floored at how she was even allowed to bring this ridiculous suit.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on May 14, 2015 15:34:01 GMT
But I do have to add this. To all you college professors and instructors, get ready for LOTS more of this kind of thing. It's what we have been dealing with in the lower levels for quite a few years. This kind of stuff was a large part of why I just had to walk away from teaching 2 years ago. I feel for you all! We are already seeing it in our classes. In fact, we had a nursing student try to get an instructor fired because she was failing a required class and not being allowed to retake tests she had done poorly on. And the the state legislature isn't making our job any easier as it keeps attempting to tie our funding to our students' success--based in part on how many of them pass our classes. So, in order to get funding, we have to improve our pass and retention rate. It doesn't seem to matter that as a community college, we have to take EVERYONE with a high school diploma and now can't even test them to place them into remedial classes if they aren't ready for college-level work. So, somehow we are to provide a quality education with no funding to unprepared people who think they should get an A simply for showing up occasionally. I love my job. I love my job. I love my job. . . . This (and the op) are prime examples of the consequences we have to deal with as a result of raising this generation of ridiculously entitled kids. Nobody gets told 'no'. Everybody gets a trophy. It's getting scary.
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Post by liya on May 14, 2015 15:35:18 GMT
I read the article this morning. My first thought was that if she cannot pass her in class final how is she going to pass her state boards. Time to rethink her career choice.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on May 14, 2015 16:34:44 GMT
This (and the op) are prime examples of the consequences we have to deal with as a result of raising this generation of ridiculously entitled kids. Nobody gets told 'no'. Everybody gets a trophy. It's getting scary. Hey not everyone was raised that way. I worked my butt off and earned everything I've accomplished. Please try to remember that many of us aren't entitled!
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 14, 2015 16:39:27 GMT
I think by the time you get to college, you either sink or swim. No special accommodations. You can either handle the work or you can't. Plus, as someone who suffers from bipolar disorder, I think it's up to us to take responsibility for our own mental health. Using your mental health as an excuse to be treated differently than your peers shouldn't be allowed. It's not allowed in the workplace so why should it be allowed in college? She needs to seek proper treatment so she can have a fully functional life. The challenges are not going to go away and life is not going to make accommodations for her.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on May 14, 2015 19:27:15 GMT
This (and the op) are prime examples of the consequences we have to deal with as a result of raising this generation of ridiculously entitled kids. Nobody gets told 'no'. Everybody gets a trophy. It's getting scary. Hey not everyone was raised that way. I worked my butt off and earned everything I've accomplished. Please try to remember that many of us aren't entitled! Of course not! I wasn't raised that way and my husband and I are not raising our teenage sons that way. But believe me, some of the stuff I see/hear with their friends simply boggles my mind.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 19:38:25 GMT
I think by the time you get to college, you either sink or swim. No special accommodations. You can either handle the work or you can't. Plus, as someone who suffers from bipolar disorder, I think it's up to us to take responsibility for our own mental health. Using your mental health as an excuse to be treated differently than your peers shouldn't be allowed. It's not allowed in the workplace so why should it be allowed in college? She needs to seek proper treatment so she can have a fully functional life. The challenges are not going to go away and life is not going to make accommodations for her. It might not have been allowed in the workplace in the past, but I predict that it soon will be. All those lawsuit happy special snowflakes and their parents aren't going away after they plow their way through the public schools and colleges. Our country has been on a very disturbing trajectory with all this for quite a few years, and now that these kids are aging out into adulthood, people are going to see what teachers have been "complaining" about for years and years. Sadly, I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better.
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Post by birukitty on May 14, 2015 21:26:59 GMT
I think by the time you get to college, you either sink or swim. No special accommodations. You can either handle the work or you can't. Plus, as someone who suffers from bipolar disorder, I think it's up to us to take responsibility for our own mental health. Using your mental health as an excuse to be treated differently than your peers shouldn't be allowed. It's not allowed in the workplace so why should it be allowed in college? She needs to seek proper treatment so she can have a fully functional life. The challenges are not going to go away and life is not going to make accommodations for her. I have a DS who has severe ADHD and anxiety. I homeschooled him from grades 6-12 once we got the diagnosis. Before that he went to private school for grades K-5. When it was time for college he went 2 years to community college, and then transferred to a university. He qualified for accommodations for his ADHD but was insistent not to use any throughout his 4 years of college. He told me "they won't have that when I have a job, so why should I get special treatment now?" He graduated with a 3.8 average in December of 2014. I'm not saying that's for everyone, but I'm proud of how DS is leading his life, and the choices he's made for himself. Debbie in MD.
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Post by Deleted on May 14, 2015 22:29:31 GMT
I think by the time you get to college, you either sink or swim. No special accommodations. You can either handle the work or you can't. Plus, as someone who suffers from bipolar disorder, I think it's up to us to take responsibility for our own mental health. Using your mental health as an excuse to be treated differently than your peers shouldn't be allowed. It's not allowed in the workplace so why should it be allowed in college? She needs to seek proper treatment so she can have a fully functional life. The challenges are not going to go away and life is not going to make accommodations for her. It might not have been allowed in the workplace in the past, but I predict that it soon will be. All those lawsuit happy special snowflakes and their parents aren't going away after they plow their way through the public schools and colleges. Our country has been on a very disturbing trajectory with all this for quite a few years, and now that these kids are aging out into adulthood, people are going to see what teachers have been "complaining" about for years and years. Sadly, I think things are going to get a whole lot worse before they get better. This is the is the kind of thing that happens way too often and makes you see how we could end up living the movie Idiocracy or some more realistic version of it.
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Post by jenjie on May 14, 2015 22:32:01 GMT
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Post by anxiousmom on May 14, 2015 22:48:38 GMT
I guess this is the difference between now and when I (we) were coming up. I took an accounting class...twice. Both times I got abysmal grades. Why I took the class I will never know, it wasn't an interest, it wasn't something I wanted to pursue. But I did. And it was not pretty.
I had just gotten an ADA defined disability diagnosis. What I have is a strange visual thing that no one has ever heard of, but it is a neurological disorder that, in a nut shell, hinders my ability to read/process information the same way that most people do.
The difference? It never occurred to me complain that I wasn't getting enough specialized treatment. I had (have) a problem. Through a lot of research, I have learned what I can do to make it easier, but sometimes I just have to suck it up and work harder. My problem in the accounting class wasn't a reflection of my disability, it is an absolute reflection of my inability to get the material which just wasn't my thing.
Some of us are math people. Some aren't. Some people are artists who can draw so realistically that it looks like a photo. Some of us struggle to draw stick figures. It is incumbent upon us to find programs that are in our wheelhouse. Not everyone is nursing material and she is (in my opinion) blaming trying fit her round peg in a square hole and blaming it not fitting on the hammer being too small.
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