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Post by Zee on May 17, 2015 2:49:01 GMT
I had to look away several times tonight. I really, really, REALLY have a problem with torture scenes on TV (as I think most normal people do) and I was cringing. I'm dreading next week, though I still plan on watching because I keep seeing these posts all over the internet (including on Diana Gabaldon's fb) saying you'll miss something very touching and wonderful if you don't.
I'm glad I didn't have to see Black Jack's penis tonight, though I wouldn't count it out for next week. Surprisingly absent tonight were anyone's breasts.
One thing this series has been good for is invoking emotion. Tonight it was disgust, mainly, but also pity for Claire having to leave Jamie with that monster, and to see him in pain like that. I'm a tough person but that would be horrific.
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Post by Zee on May 17, 2015 2:52:20 GMT
Oops...I missed the thread below, somehow, marked 5/9...carry on and never mind!
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Post by Kymberlee on May 17, 2015 11:36:57 GMT
Holy hell! That was in-freaking-tense. I'm going to have to sit with it for a few days before I watch it again, but how amazing was the acting? Tobias Menzies is one hell of an actor. How is the world do you do stuff like he did and make it so convincing. And Sam? The tear? I'm just in awe. I can't believe they are going to be able to wrap it all up next week.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 17, 2015 13:37:37 GMT
Holy hell! That was in-freaking-tense. I'm going to have to sit with it for a few days before I watch it again, but how amazing was the acting? Tobias Menzies is one hell of an actor. How is the world do you do stuff like he did and make it so convincing. And Sam? The tear? I'm just in awe. I can't believe they are going to be able to wrap it all up next week. He really is. I'd only seen him on Game of Thrones before Outlander, where he played such a dunce. I'm sure he'll be up for Emmy consideration this year, he's just so scary good. They probably will all be Emmy contenders. Fantastic casting.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 17, 2015 15:37:53 GMT
I didn't realize TM was on Game of Thrones. Which season?
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Post by stittsygirl on May 17, 2015 15:41:05 GMT
I didn't realize TM was on Game of Thrones. Which season? Three, I think? He played Catelyn Stark's younger brother, Edmure Tully, the one who couldn't hit the funeral barge with the flaming arrow, and the groom at The Red Wedding.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 17, 2015 18:29:37 GMT
Just watched. Yi...yea, had to look away a few times. I don't see how they can wrap it up next week also.
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Post by Zee on May 17, 2015 20:11:00 GMT
It will be tough to wrap it up but I guess they set us up for Claire's pregnancy by having her vomit outside the prison. I imagine we were to think it was knowing Jamie was set to die that made her vomit, but really, Claire is a lot tougher than that. I guess we'll have some more awful torture, while the rescue mission gets going, then they'll reunite and work on healing his mind from the experience and we'll get to end the season with her knowing she's pregnant, like in the book.
It's an awful lot to fit in one season. I hope next season makes shorter work of Dragonfly In Amber because it's not my favorite. They can hit the important stuff and get right into Voyager, as far as I'm concerned.
How will they age twenty and more years, I wonder? If they get that far with filming. Isn't Claire almost 60 by now, in the latest book?
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Post by stittsygirl on May 17, 2015 21:14:10 GMT
It will be tough to wrap it up but I guess they set us up for Claire's pregnancy by having her vomit outside the prison. I imagine we were to think it was knowing Jamie was set to die that made her vomit, but really, Claire is a lot tougher than that. I guess we'll have some more awful torture, while the rescue mission gets going, then they'll reunite and work on healing his mind from the experience and we'll get to end the season with her knowing she's pregnant, like in the book. It's an awful lot to fit in one season. I hope next season makes shorter work of Dragonfly In Amber because it's not my favorite. They can hit the important stuff and get right into Voyager, as far as I'm concerned. How will they age twenty and more years, I wonder? If they get that far with filming. Isn't Claire almost 60 by now, in the latest book? In Voyager she should be about fifty, but the books mention at least a couple of times that she looks much younger than her age. They should be able to age her and Jamie accordingly using a bit of Hollywood magic, even through another decade after that if necessary. I really think it would ruin the show (for me anyway) if they brought in new, older actors to play Claire and Jamie later in the series. I can imagine most fans will be able to suspend disbelief enough to accept any aging process they have to use, as long as they don't replace these actors, who have become Claire and Jamie, with others. We'll see how many seasons it gets. I too could fast forward through DIA to get to Voyager. I'm really interested to see who they've cast as Brianna and Roger though .
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Post by birukitty on May 17, 2015 21:35:36 GMT
I must not be normal. I don't have a problem watching any of the scenes in Outlander. I've read all of the books, and I think it's because I know it's fiction, and not real. Put any animal on there and show any cruelty to an animal and I couldn't watch at all. Yeah, even if I knew it was fiction and acting and the animal wasn't really hurt. I must be all kinds of messed up. Although I really think it's because the animal didn't have a choice and the person did.
Anyway, about this episode-Brilliant! Absolutely astounding acting by actors playing Claire, Jamie and especially Black Jack Randall. I think all three should get Emmys. Jamie did an excellent job showing the pain and torture he was experiencing I thought. When Toby Menzies licked the scars on Jamie's back and said, "Masterpiece" that was so truly repulsive it made my skin crawl.
I agree about "Dragonfly in Amber". Not my favorite either and I much preferred "Voyager", but at this point I am just thrilled that this series of books has made it to TV, and that Starz and everyone involved with the show has done such an amazing job to make it as wonderful as it is. I'm just sorry we are going to have such a long, long wait before the next series begins.
Debbie in MD.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 17, 2015 22:51:28 GMT
I must not be normal. I don't have a problem watching any of the scenes in Outlander. I've read all of the books, and I think it's because I know it's fiction, and not real. Put any animal on there and show any cruelty to an animal and I couldn't watch at all. Yeah, even if I knew it was fiction and acting and the animal wasn't really hurt. I must be all kinds of messed up. Although I really think it's because the animal didn't have a choice and the person did. Anyway, about this episode-Brilliant! Absolutely astounding acting by actors playing Claire, Jamie and especially Black Jack Randall. I think all three should get Emmys. Jamie did an excellent job showing the pain and torture he was experiencing I thought. When Toby Menzies licked the scars on Jamie's back and said, "Masterpiece" that was so truly repulsive it made my skin crawl. I agree about "Dragonfly in Amber". Not my favorite either and I much preferred "Voyager", but at this point I am just thrilled that this series of books has made it to TV, and that Starz and everyone involved with the show has done such an amazing job to make it as wonderful as it is. I'm just sorry we are going to have such a long, long wait before the next series begins. Debbie in MD. Ugh! It made my skin crawl too. That scene was so disturbing to me and the look on Jamie's face was heartbreaking. Damn, these actors are amazing. I don't think we have seen the worst of it yet, either. There is some seriously sick stuff coming up. If they film past DIA, I'm sure they will age everyone unless someone decides not to come back to the show.
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Post by finaledition on May 17, 2015 23:14:58 GMT
I wrote a brief bit about my reaction when I watched on Friday. I purposefully wrote very little so as not to give any spoilers, but truth be told, this was an episode I needed to digest. I couldn't write about it even if I tried. I was absolutely in awe of this episode-blown away by the pacing, the intensity of the scenes and the alternating points of view. I felt that this episode was the pinnacle acting points for Black Jack, Jamie and Claire. Seriously, just pass them the Emmy now. I struggle saying this was my favorite episode because it's not one I will watch over and over due to the darkness, but it may have been the best episode.
Why do you think Claire whispered the date of his death to Black Jack? Obviously book readers know it, is it for the benefit of non book readers to allow some suspense? I didn't have a problem with it, but it was purposeful.
Given the review by the entertainment reporter, we know there will be resolution so I do wonder what will be omitted in the finale. How much will Father Anselm be part of the story. Will they have the scene in the mineral springs? I think the finale has the potential to be epic or fall short. Some tough editing and writing decisions have had to be made.
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Post by finaledition on May 18, 2015 1:47:55 GMT
The woman who wrote that review of the last two Outlander episodes of the season tweeted an emoji review of episode 16. Try and interpret this. Ha!
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Post by cakediva on May 18, 2015 1:49:15 GMT
OMG it is about to start here in Canada.....not sure how much I can watch - but it will be on!
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 18, 2015 11:21:17 GMT
I read an interview with Tobias, and he said that his goal was to make BJR a believable villain. He said that with a role like that, you risk the character appearing so evil, that they are one dimensional and almost comic book-like. I thought that was a really interesting observation, and I think he completely succeeded. Also, according to DG, it was Tobias's idea for BJR to lick Jamie's scars, which was a very chilling bit.
This episode was not as bad as I thought it might be, but I also think that the really horrible stuff is set for next week's episode. The hand mutilation was pretty difficult to watch, though. I supposed I imagined it in my head when I was reading the book, but really, I don't have any frame of reference for seeing someone's hand get smashed and nailed to a table. So the visual was way worse than whatever I had imagined in my head. Interestingly, RDM and company said they did a bunch of research during the writing of this episode, and found out that a hand injury is almost the most painful thing that a person can suffer. Apparently people pass out much more easily from traumatic hand injuries than from comparable injuries to an arm, leg, etc.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 18, 2015 12:06:02 GMT
It was also Tobias' idea to do the full frontal in the Lallybroch episode. Dude doesn't shy away from his roles does he? Another interview with Sam said that he really needed a break after this season and it took him months before he could even think about resuming filming for season 2. I have been scanning the reviews of the last episode and the TV reviewer from Hitfix really tore this episode apart. The chick totally doesn't "get" the show, and many of the people in the comments section let her have it. My fear is that there are many people out in TV land that don't get the show and the only people that are watching are the DG/Outlander hardcore fanbase. Thoughts? I'm looking forward to listening to TS&TS today on the way to work and listen to their take on the show. RDM's podcast is always a couple of days later so I will listen to that whenever it gets downloaded. Here is the Hitfix link: www.hitfix.com/harpy/recap-outlander-wentworth-prison-is-where-common-sense-goes-to-die
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Post by birukitty on May 18, 2015 20:32:09 GMT
Finale Edition-I think Claire whispered the date of Black Jack Randall's death to him because it was the only weapon she had left at the time to harm him. As he was walking her out he mentioned something about the recent witch trial, so she grabbed at that and used it to wound him in the only way she had left at the time-she knew the date of his death because her husband Frank had told her while he was busy doing his genealogy charts when they'd first arrived in Scotland. Remember? So with that knowledge she pretended she was a witch and told him the date he'd die-who wants to know that? I really loved it when Claire called Jack a "f-------, sadistic, piece of sh----" It was exactly what I'd wanted to call him for so long! Yes, I realize he didn't understand it There is an excellent review written by Sarene Leeds for the Wall Street journal here (hopefully I'm doing this right) blogs.wsj.com/speakeasy/2015/05/16/outlander-recap-season-1-episode-15-wentworth-prison/ Debbie in MD.
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Post by Zee on May 18, 2015 21:39:43 GMT
The woman who wrote that review of the last two Outlander episodes of the season tweeted an emoji review of episode 16. Try and interpret this. Ha! Haha DD and I sometimes send each other texts like that, especially if we're at something boring we're supposed to be on good behavior for
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Post by coffeetalk on May 18, 2015 23:04:37 GMT
It was also Tobias' idea to do the full frontal in the Lallybroch episode. Dude doesn't shy away from his roles does he? Another interview with Sam said that he really needed a break after this season and it took him months before he could even think about resuming filming for season 2. I have been scanning the reviews of the last episode and the TV reviewer from Hitfix really tore this episode apart. The chick totally doesn't "get" the show, and many of the people in the comments section let her have it. My fear is that there are many people out in TV land that don't get the show and the only people that are watching are the DG/Outlander hardcore fanbase. Thoughts? I'm looking forward to listening to TS&TS today on the way to work and listen to their take on the show. RDM's podcast is always a couple of days later so I will listen to that whenever it gets downloaded. Here is the Hitfix link: www.hitfix.com/harpy/recap-outlander-wentworth-prison-is-where-common-sense-goes-to-dieNever fear, lol. I didn't read the books and don't cotton to time travel stories in general, but I LOVE this show. The acting is first rate and the story compelling.
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Post by finaledition on May 19, 2015 16:24:34 GMT
Spoiler in photo. Not much more than what most of us have speculated.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 19, 2015 19:12:32 GMT
Notable location moved??!!
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Post by Zee on May 19, 2015 19:41:56 GMT
I hope the "notable location" moved is France. Le snooze.
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Post by finaledition on May 19, 2015 19:53:42 GMT
In the preview Murtagh says "the only way to save jamie is for someone to move into the darkness with him". That line has stuck with me since I heard it. So I wonder if they do go to the abby. I don't see how they'd have a enough time to show his sea sickness and introduce more character in depth. It make me think that we won't meet father Anselm and that the place jamie recovers is not at the Abby.
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 19, 2015 20:25:22 GMT
Notable location moved??!! This is a reference to the fact that they are going to have the abbey stuff, but the abbey is going to be located in Scotland, not in France. My understanding is that after Jamie is "brought back," so to speak, they leave the abbey and head out on a ship to France. Obviously, the next book is set in France, so they can't really change that (I would say that's crucial to the plot), although they aren't actually going to shoot in Paris because it's too modern looking. I heard rumblings that they were going to use an older-looking city (Prague, maybe?) to stand in for 18th century Paris when they needed location shots.
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 19, 2015 20:32:02 GMT
In the preview Murtagh says "the only way to save jamie is for someone to move into the darkness with him". That line has stuck with me since I heard it. So I wonder if they do go to the abby. I don't see how they'd have a enough time to show his sea sickness and introduce more character in depth. It make me think that we won't meet father Anselm and that the place jamie recovers is not at the Abby. I think this is a reference to the crazy opium stuff Claire does to bring Jamie back -- maybe they're going to make it Murtaugh's idea. Since the show didn't feature that part of the Geillis/Claire relationship, it doesn't have to be Claire's idea, and Murtaugh is there at the abbey in the book, too. I think he's the one that relays Jamie's message to her to go back to Scotland. Also, this is just my opinion, but I'm not sure how much of the Brother Anslan stuff they will include. It may be greatly shortened, or cut. A lot of that was very introspective in the book, and I don't know how much of that they'd use for a TV show.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 19, 2015 21:25:33 GMT
"This is a reference to the fact that they are going to have the abbey stuff, but the abbey is going to be located in Scotland, not in France. My understanding is that after Jamie is "brought back," so to speak, they leave the abbey and head out on a ship to France. Obviously, the next book is set in France, so they can't really change that (I would say that's crucial to the plot), although they aren't actually going to shoot in Paris because it's too modern looking. I heard rumblings that they were going to use an older-looking city (Prague, maybe?) to stand in for 18th century Paris when they needed location shots." ------------------------------------------------------------
How do you know all that?!!
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 19, 2015 23:25:50 GMT
"This is a reference to the fact that they are going to have the abbey stuff, but the abbey is going to be located in Scotland, not in France. My understanding is that after Jamie is "brought back," so to speak, they leave the abbey and head out on a ship to France. Obviously, the next book is set in France, so they can't really change that (I would say that's crucial to the plot), although they aren't actually going to shoot in Paris because it's too modern looking. I heard rumblings that they were going to use an older-looking city (Prague, maybe?) to stand in for 18th century Paris when they needed location shots." ------------------------------------------------------------ How do you know all that?!! (Blushes.) i am somewhat obsessed. I hang out in a few Outlander FB groups, and people are always posting links to interviews that the producer and writers do. I also follow a few of them on Twitter, also the actors, and sometimes they do Q and A's or they will live chat during the episodes. I often read the questions and answers afterward -- amazing some of the stuff you learn!!
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Post by finaledition on May 20, 2015 0:44:07 GMT
For those of you that listen to the Ron Moore podcast, is it playing for you. I've been trying for two days, I keep downloading and deleting and on two different devices it always stops about 2 minutes in. Anybody else having this problem?
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 1:29:53 GMT
The intensity of the Wentworth Prison episode was everything I anticipated.
We were on vacation overseas for the past two Saturdays. Coming home to two Outlander episodes was what mentally sustained me through the airports.
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Post by Kymberlee on May 20, 2015 2:18:11 GMT
For those of you that listen to the Ron Moore podcast, is it playing for you. I've been trying for two days, I keep downloading and deleting and on two different devices it always stops about 2 minutes in. Anybody else having this problem? I always have trouble with that stupid podcast. I'm glad it isn't just me. The last couple of weeks. I streamed it without downloading which probably ate up some of my data, but it worked. I haven't tried to listen to the podcast this week. I'm hoping it doesn't give me fits.
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