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Post by finaledition on May 20, 2015 2:42:36 GMT
For those of you that listen to the Ron Moore podcast, is it playing for you. I've been trying for two days, I keep downloading and deleting and on two different devices it always stops about 2 minutes in. Anybody else having this problem? I always have trouble with that stupid podcast. I'm glad it isn't just me. The last couple of weeks. I streamed it without downloading which probably ate up some of my data, but it worked. I haven't tried to listen to the podcast this week. I'm hoping it doesn't give me fits. I usually listen via a download from iTunes, but was finally able to listen through the STRZ website. And I have to say it was kind of a dud podcast. Ira Behr would get so wrapped up in the scene-watching it- there was a lot of dead airtime. A few good tidbits, but don't frustrate yourself trying to download this one. |
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 20, 2015 11:29:05 GMT
I haven't listened yet, but people on FB were also complaining that the podcast wasn't working, or stopped playing after a few minutes. This article has some GREAT information from the writer of episode 15, about how the filming affected the actors and everyone on set -- it really gives you a feel for how difficult this kind of thing must be for the actors to shoot: ArticleI also read an interview with Tobias, who plays BJR, and he confirmed what the writer says. He said he and Sam did not hang out or talk at all during the days these two final episodes were filmed, because they really just wanted to leave it all in front of the camera. I think they definitely did that. |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 20, 2015 12:26:07 GMT
Nice article, Scrapbrat. Did anyone ever notice in the panels and interviews with the whole crew together, Sam and Tobias seemed a little uncomfortable with each other? I can't remember which interview it was, but Sam and Tobias were sitting next to each other and (to me) it looked like they were really, really were uncomfortable with each other; almost like they didn't like each other very much. It was kind of weird, but after watching the latest episode, it seems quite understandable. I find it fascinating that they avoided each other on the set and didn't speak during the filming of the last two episodes. It gives a view into the difficulty they must have had filming these scenes. I've never really thought about that side of acting, KWIM? In order to be convincing, the actor must have to go into such a dark place. |
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Post by finaledition on May 20, 2015 16:09:39 GMT
Adding on to this, we've read about how it was Tobias's idea to put his finger in Jenny's mouth, pull out his penis in that episode, lick Jamie's back, but on the podcast they said Tobias had an idea to do something with the hammer and the director liked the idea, but the producers nixed it and said that was too much. Ira Behr wouldn't say what it was, but the way he told it, made it sound like some line was crossed if they did that. Anyway, my point being that Tobias brought a lot more creep/sadism to this character than even the writers could have written. Even with the script in hand, nobody on the set could have been prepared for these scenes.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 20, 2015 16:24:32 GMT
Adding on to this, we've read about how it was Tobias's idea to put his finger in Jenny's mouth, pull out his penis in that episode, lick Jamie's back, but on the podcast they said Tobias had an idea to do something with the hammer and the director liked the idea, but the producers nixed it and said that was too much. Ira Behr wouldn't say what it was, but the way he told it, made it sound like some line was crossed if they did that. Anyway, my point being that Tobias brought a lot more creep/sadism to this character than even the writers could have written. Even with the script in hand, nobody on the set could have been prepared for these scenes. I was stunned at just how creepy he portrayed Black Jack. From the books, I definitely got that he was sadistic, but not to the extreme that the show portrayed. It was brilliant acting. And I agree--the worst is yet to come. We didn't see any of what I think are the truly horrible scenes. The rape of Jamie and his surrender to Black Jack. To me, that is the most horrible. The surrender. Interesting how the location of the Abbey was moved to Scotland. I think we do see Father Anselem in a preview for this week. In one scene, we see a man with a large bald spot on the top of his head, with a fringe of hair around his ears and neck. I'll try to find the clip. They are going to have to go to France. I'm surprised that so many disliked Dragonfly in Amber. I really liked the glimpses of court life and I found Claire's relationship with the Frog (Master Raymond) so interesting. And I loved reading about her role is the hospital. Some parts drag, but I just read those parts faster. ETA: here's the preview. About 16 seconds in is the man I'm talking about that I think is Father Anselem. Episode 16 preview |
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Post by Zee on May 20, 2015 16:59:56 GMT
Maybe he's not acting, he's just really a sadist.
I get that France was central to the plot in DiA, but it was so boring to me. All of it. I could squish the whole thing into two episodes.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 18:20:10 GMT
Dragonfly was my favorite book of the series. The morning of Culloden ripped me apart, and because I was reading it all real time (meaning as the books were published), I had to live a year with that last sentence.
I remember I was so keyed up, I couldn't sleep for several days after finishing that one. I reread it last October for the first time since its original publication, and it had the same effect on me again.
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Post by stittsygirl on May 20, 2015 19:06:30 GMT
Dragonfly was my favorite book of the series. The morning of Culloden ripped me apart, and because I was reading it all real time (meaning as the books were published), I had to live a year with that last sentence.I remember I was so keyed up, I couldn't sleep for several days after finishing that one. I reread it last October for the first time since its original publication, and it had the same effect on me again. Oh, that would have been so hard. Voyager was already out when I got to the end of DIA. This was well before e-books, and I remember running to the bookstore after work, hoping they'd have Voyager, which thankfully they did  . |
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 20, 2015 20:18:35 GMT
Dragonfly was my favorite book of the series. The morning of Culloden ripped me apart, and because I was reading it all real time (meaning as the books were published), I had to live a year with that last sentence. I remember I was so keyed up, I couldn't sleep for several days after finishing that one. I reread it last October for the first time since its original publication, and it had the same effect on me again. Huge admission here. I read about these books on 2Peas for years, knew they had a devoted following. But I'd read the description of the first book on Amazon, and think, eh, just doesn't sound like my cup of tea. Finally gave the first book a go last year and well, the rest is history. They drew me in like no other books I've read. In many ways, I am extremely thankful that I did not have to wait years between books, and at least I got to start out with 8 of them. I simply cannot imagine being left, bereft, at the end of DIA! The end of that book, the part before she goes back -- it is absolutely the most emotional, gut-wrenching thing I have ever read. Ever. |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 20, 2015 22:41:02 GMT
Maybe he's not acting, he's just really a sadist.
I get that France was central to the plot in DiA, but it was so boring to me. All of it. I could squish the whole thing into two episodes. I'm starting to get that vibe. Ugh...who thinks of stuff like that???  |
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Post by stittsygirl on May 20, 2015 22:58:54 GMT
Maybe he's not acting, he's just really a sadist.
I get that France was central to the plot in DiA, but it was so boring to me. All of it. I could squish the whole thing into two episodes. I'm starting to get that vibe. Ugh...who thinks of stuff like that??? Method actors, and he's a good one  . |
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Post by finaledition on May 21, 2015 1:09:50 GMT
Maybe he's not acting, he's just really a sadist. . That's what I was thinking but did not want to say-lol. Basket lady-you have a good eye. I never would have seen that. I think the part I liked best about his character is a scene that I'm pretty sure never got written into the script. The part where he helps Claire with the morality of her situation is really good in the book. But considering that Claire does not have the same struggle that she has in the book, no point of wasting precious air time on that. |
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Post by peasapie on May 21, 2015 1:27:38 GMT
I didn't actually like the Outlander book (yes, I know I'm the rare exception) but I am enjoying the series. The violence and torture are hard to take, but I remind myself it is a movie and that helps. Same thing with Game of Thrones. I love the costumes and scenery on both these shows.
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Post by ntsf on May 21, 2015 2:17:24 GMT
I can't stand the books either...but the series is ok.. love the dresses..
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Post by Basket1lady on May 21, 2015 3:55:30 GMT
Dragonfly was my favorite book of the series. The morning of Culloden ripped me apart, and because I was reading it all real time (meaning as the books were published), I had to live a year with that last sentence. I remember I was so keyed up, I couldn't sleep for several days after finishing that one. I reread it last October for the first time since its original publication, and it had the same effect on me again. That must have been so hard to wait for the next book! I started reading them after book 3 or 4 came out, so I was ahead of the game a bit. Now I find myself waiting for #9, but know that it's going to be a long wait! |
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Post by Basket1lady on May 21, 2015 3:59:12 GMT
Maybe he's not acting, he's just really a sadist. . That's what I was thinking but did not want to say-lol. Basket lady-you have a good eye. I never would have seen that. I think the part I liked best about his character is a scene that I'm pretty sure never got written into the script. The part where he helps Claire with the morality of her situation is really good in the book. But considering that Claire does not have the same struggle that she has in the book, no point of wasting precious air time on that. LOL I must have watched that clip about 10 times, pausing it to absorb what I just saw. The quick flashes of a scene mess with me and I want to see what is happening. Do we know for sure that we won't see the Abbey scenes? Surely they will have to do something with them and the healing of Jamie. I wonder if that's where they will leave it--wondering how Jamie is going to be healed. It will be interesting to see how they end the season. I try not to compare the TV show to the books too much. They are going to change stuff. Some of it because DG was such a new writer and the script smooths out the plot and relationships. And some of it to make it easier to film. The books only get longer, so they have to abbreviate the books somehow. |
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Post by jenkate77 on May 21, 2015 4:57:01 GMT
France is going to be amazing - even if it's just because of the costumes! I can't WAIT!
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Post by Scrapbrat on May 21, 2015 11:16:15 GMT
That's what I was thinking but did not want to say-lol. Basket lady-you have a good eye. I never would have seen that. I think the part I liked best about his character is a scene that I'm pretty sure never got written into the script. The part where he helps Claire with the morality of her situation is really good in the book. But considering that Claire does not have the same struggle that she has in the book, no point of wasting precious air time on that. LOL I must have watched that clip about 10 times, pausing it to absorb what I just saw. The quick flashes of a scene mess with me and I want to see what is happening. Do we know for sure that we won't see the Abbey scenes? Surely they will have to do something with them and the healing of Jamie. I wonder if that's where they will leave it--wondering how Jamie is going to be healed. It will be interesting to see how they end the season. I try not to compare the TV show to the books too much. They are going to change stuff. Some of it because DG was such a new writer and the script smooths out the plot and relationships. And some of it to make it easier to film. The books only get longer, so they have to abbreviate the books somehow. Yes, there is going to be abbey stuff, except that the abbey will be in Scotland rather than in France. I don't really agree that Claire isn't struggling with the morality of her situation in the series -- while that's mostly an internal thing, so better suited to books, I think most viewers could assume that no one could choose to leave behind a husband and life they had loved, and not think about that decision, even if they believed it was the right one. Also, Brother Anselam helps Claire figure out that it would not be wrong to try to change the future by trying to make sure the Rising doesn't happen. That's the key to J & C deciding at the end to go Paris. I suppose there are other ways they could get to that point, though. |
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Post by finaledition on May 22, 2015 4:24:50 GMT
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 10:55:37 GMT
Hi
She has snippets of book 9 on her website.
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Post by genny on May 22, 2015 14:22:47 GMT
Hi She has snippets of book 9 on her website. Ooh thanks for this! |
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Post by Basket1lady on May 25, 2015 17:53:35 GMT
If you are feeling sad about waiting another week for the finale, here is the promo that I linked above, but in slow motion. It makes it easier to watch, as you don't have to constantly pause it to figure out what is going on in each flash of scene. I follow Diana Gabaldon on FaceBook and she often posts links to interesting interviews, articles, clips, reviews, etc. As well as glimpses of Book 9. Slow Motion Finale Clip |
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 6:17:04 GMT
Is it possible the season finale lasts longer than 60 minutes? The first episode was officially 65 minutes, so I know they can do it.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 27, 2015 10:52:44 GMT
Is it possible the season finale lasts longer than 60 minutes? The first episode was officially 65 minutes, so I know they can do it. My TIVo has the episode listed as 1 hr, 5 minutes. That's it. I'm confident they will make it work, but I want more! |
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Post by Kymberlee on May 27, 2015 11:09:25 GMT
I know! 60 minutes just usnt going to do it for me. Wahhhh! I listened to Ron Moore's podcast last night, and I have decided that Tobias Menzies is not right. Apparently, a lot of the really weird crap he did in the last episode wasn't scripted; he just did it on his own. The writer said that they had to cut some stuff 'cuz it was too much and TM wanted to put even more weird shit in the episode and they had to argue with him about it.
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Post by Deleted on May 27, 2015 14:39:39 GMT
Well, I'm glad the director reined in TM if that's the case. There is such a thing as overplaying your part, and had they made that any sicker, they would have turned off viewers and lost sight of the story. I think they are doing an excellent job of walking that line between giving us reality and being sensationalistic.
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Post by finaledition on May 28, 2015 15:56:03 GMT
I wasn't home to sit through all 15 hours of the marathon this weekend, but caught many. And again this week, done a couple each night.
So there was a long bit written by Diana Gabaldon posted on Twitter regarding her thoughts on the finale, but here she answers a question so many of us have wondered about....the hot springs scene....
"Those of you looking forward to hot springs? Sorry. When I saw Ron at the first screening of the first episode—for international TV buyers in LA—he told me that he’d been working on the final bits (in terms of planning the basic story elements) and that there was unfortunately just no way he could film that particular sequence. He then told me what he planned to do instead.)
Now. Was I disappointed to hear this? Of course; I’d love to see a visual of that. But I could see exactly what he meant. And what I said to him was, “I trust you.”
I still do. That said, I will note that there was a _lot_ of discussion over the hows and whys of what’s included in Episode 16. I didn’t agree with everything they did, and we discussed it. Both sides listened, we both compromised on things—and in the end, I got about 90% of what I wanted. Not everything (and I’m not going to tell you what part(s) those are), but most of it."
I'm just going to say that if its Ron's vision and a seal of approval from Diana, I'm fine with whatever I get. They have not let me down.
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Post by Deleted on May 29, 2015 18:36:15 GMT
This is the first time in my life when I've had this problem letting go of the book and enjoying the movie version for what it is -- not a slavish devotion to everything in the book.
Maybe that's what happens when they film your favorite book ever, huh?
But if Diana can compromise, then so will I.
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Post by jenkate77 on May 29, 2015 18:47:22 GMT
This is the first time in my life when I've had this problem letting go of the book and enjoying the movie version for what it is -- not a slavish devotion to everything in the book. Maybe that's what happens when they film your favorite book ever, huh? But if Diana can compromise, then so will I. Me too Julie! All in all, they've done an excellent job with it. It's still our story with our people, even if it does veer off a bit. |
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Post by momx1 on May 29, 2015 19:46:50 GMT
I've been rereading each week the parts of the book I think will be covered in the next episode. I decided this week to stop right at the hot springs scene. I was so afraid they might not get to film that part that I decided to save it and read it after the episode. Granted it may be Sunday before my eyes clear up enough to read it!
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