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Post by jeremysgirl on May 20, 2015 13:28:38 GMT
I did quite a few times at Grateful Dead shows. I never had a bad trip, or even anything slightly off putting happen, but I've seen people have less than an enjoyable experience. The only way I can explain the feeling is everything was more intense, in a good way. Colors were brighter, food tasted 1000x better, the music was more powerful and meaningful. I had an overwhelming feeling of peace, love, and happiness. It was fun. Would I do it again now that I have children? No. This was my experience with LSD in college too. I enjoyed the handful of times I did it. But I'll tell you, I've been with people who have had a bad trip and that was not fun for them at all. I couldn't understand it until I had my first, full-blown manic episode with hallucinations. I am bipolar and that was very scary for me. I imagine that experience is what a bad trip would be like and my brain does it all on its own. It was then that I decided that LSD wasn't worth the risk and that I was a prime candidate for a bad trip due to my bipolar disorder. ETA: I just read the rest of the thread and I see there were a couple of comments on how science is showing that LSD can actually be beneficial to people with mental illness. If anyone would like to share, I would be curious to read more about that.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 13:31:50 GMT
Nope.
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Post by peano on May 20, 2015 15:13:23 GMT
I had a friend in high school whose brother was a small pot dealer. She could get us a joint here and there easily so I did that a few times. One time, she said one of the joints were laced with something but honestly, I must not have inhaled or something as I never really got much of a buzz from them. She's now an officer in the Army. Go figure. I think that this is a pretty wide spread view...that people who had a different view of drugs all turn out to be these edgy, slightly seedy, ner-do-wells. But this isn't really the case. I admit freely that I was a wild child-both in high school and in college. But I also graduated from college, grew up, and am now the very stereo-type of suburban soccer mom. And I am not alone, there are a lot of us out there that you would never even imagine what our definitions of fun were. We are probably more liberal in our views of issues like legalizing marijuana, but for the most part-we are fully functioning, tax paying members of our communities. I look at my party friends and we are all that way-doctors, lawyers, lobbyists, teachers, military, stay at home moms-we run the gamut of professions. And we ALL get together and worry about our kids, we are just probably more aware of what we should be worrying about. In addition to the above, which I completely agree with, I think younger Peas have no idea what the culture was like in the late 70s. When I came to Tulane U. in 1977, lots of students were openly smoking pot out on the quad under the indulgent watchful eyes of campus security.
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Post by mom on May 20, 2015 15:32:40 GMT
Nope, never tried any drug. As a teen/college student, I always wanted to try but my older sister was hooked on pain meds and I was terrified I would become hooked. Fear is a very powerful deterrent for me.
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Post by Deleted on May 20, 2015 16:08:53 GMT
I haven't ever taken illegal drugs or abused legal forms of drugs (Rx or alcohol). For me, my family is so full of terrible examples of what drugs (both legal and illegal) do to an individual and those surrounding them, that I knew I had to steer well clear of any and all drugs unless absolutely necessary.
Just last October a close friend lost her 17 yr old son to a bad batch of LSD. It was horrific to watch this tragedy unfold. He was on life support for almost a week. They ultimately donated his organs but there's was even problems there (a paperwork snafu caused a lengthy delay which almost jeopardized the transplant options).
With all this in mind, I do not see anything fascinating or intriguing about the "stories" of those who have experimented and survived. I think they're just darn lucky nothing worse happened to them. It's simply not a risk I will take and hope those I love won't take either.
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Post by rickmer on May 20, 2015 17:22:22 GMT
no, I tried ecstasy once... dumb idea... although I had a great time and danced my butt off for hours on end. I went home, couldn't sleep, stayed up all night writing what I thought were wise words on little pieces of paper that I shredded and left all around the bathroom behind me. I felt so horrible and just like I didn't belong in my skin. I cried about *nothing* for 3 days afterwards. it was horrible and enough to make me never want to do it again.
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Post by mztfied on May 20, 2015 17:47:14 GMT
Timothy Leary was the one who really go the LSD movement off the ground. Sort of the "Godfather of LSD". He was the one responsible for the saying: "Turn on, Tune in, Drop out" Here is a link to his obituary. It is an interesting read. He lead a tortured life with much tragedy. One wonders how much his obsession with LSD plus other drugs might have been responsible. www.nytimes.com/learning/general/onthisday/bday/1022.html
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Post by anxiousmom on May 20, 2015 19:12:34 GMT
With all this in mind, I do not see anything fascinating or intriguing about the "stories" of those who have experimented and survived. I think they're just darn lucky nothing worse happened to them. It's simply not a risk I will take and hope those I love won't take either. I am so sorry about your friend's son. What an awful tragedy for all who knew that precious child. I am, I hope gently, going to say this though...most of us, the grown up, reformed wild children, aren't telling our past to titillate, impress or fascinate. And I would agree with you that we (the collective we) know how lucky we were-in fact, a lot of us even talk about that very thing. Nor do we wish to see our own children walk the paths that we walked. It is, however, a part of our history for whatever reason we chose to participate in those choices. It can't be changed, nor do I believe that it should be hidden. I am who I am, based on every choice I made-good or bad. I have some really very good memories of high school and college. Some of those good memories include some dubious choices, but were none the less happy times. I think sometimes I tell of my past because it is so incongruous with who people see me as now-and to show that a good portion of us do turn out well. Maybe to give hope? or show that it can be done? I also know, without question, that my past has made me a better parent. It has made me more inclined to talk to my children, more aware of what is out there, more likely to pick up on warning signs... Maybe not everyone feels the same way, but I promise, for the majority of us, bragging isn't what we are doing.
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Post by chlerbie on May 20, 2015 19:20:59 GMT
Yes--in my 20's. And I feel, in many ways, like it was life changing. I DID feel that I learned a lot about myself, learned about the world, became more accepting of those around me, etc. And it's not like it's something that "goes away" or you don't remember. I still remember it vividly. Also, music was better and amazing.
That was the first time that I took it. I took it on two other occasions, and it was just "fun" and I didn't feel that way. And while I enjoyed it, I wouldn't do it again now. It was all enough for me.
Oh, and I tried mushrooms and they were fun, but the next time, I got violently ill--and no one else in our group did. I gave it a go another time and got sick again. They don't agree with my stomach at all.
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Post by my3freaks on May 20, 2015 20:32:00 GMT
I had a friend in high school whose brother was a small pot dealer. She could get us a joint here and there easily so I did that a few times. One time, she said one of the joints were laced with something but honestly, I must not have inhaled or something as I never really got much of a buzz from them. She's now an officer in the Army. Go figure. I think that this is a pretty wide spread view...that people who had a different view of drugs all turn out to be these edgy, slightly seedy, ner-do-wells. But this isn't really the case. I admit freely that I was a wild child-both in high school and in college. But I also graduated from college, grew up, and am now the very stereo-type of suburban soccer mom. And I am not alone, there are a lot of us out there that you would never even imagine what our definitions of fun were. We are probably more liberal in our views of issues like legalizing marijuana, but for the most part-we are fully functioning, tax paying members of our communities. I look at my party friends and we are all that way-doctors, lawyers, lobbyists, teachers, military, stay at home moms-we run the gamut of professions. And we ALL get together and worry about our kids, we are just probably more aware of what we should be worrying about. I was absolutely a wild child in high school and college. People that meet me now would never guess that. I totally agree about worrying about my kids, but also being aware of what they might try to get away with. I've told them, they might as well not try it, I've probably done it, and I'm watching for it, LOL
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 20, 2015 21:50:11 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-)
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 3:39:11 GMT
A question was asked, some of us answered what our experience was....nobody needs a lecture of the dangers of drugs. We get it.
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Post by freecharlie on May 21, 2015 4:07:52 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-) I don't need to impress a bunch of people on a website. I answered a question and quite honestly, I look back on much of my youth with fondness and that includes much of my drug and/or alcohol use. Did someone call you a Pearl clutcher?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 4:34:07 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-) I don't think anyone is trying to impress anyone. People are answering the questions honestly, both positively and negatively. I also don't think anyone has asserted they were "cool" because they used drugs at some point.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 21, 2015 11:00:02 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-) I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you were a prude or a 'naive pearl clutcher.' That certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply trying to give a different point of view, that just as you would prefer not to be considered a naive prude, I would prefer to not be considered whatever the sterotype of someone who experimented (or more) with drugs and alcohol.
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Post by apeacalledliz on May 21, 2015 13:40:03 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-) I don't think anyone was trying to impress anyone else, they were answering the question and I know for a fact no one called you a prude or a pearl clutcher. The fact that you read that into this says a whole lot about how you feel about the topic not how anyone else feels or is treating you. The statement was made that in general people who have experimented know better what to look for in their children as signs of possible experimention or abuse. It's true, if you have never tried it, think it's the worst thing you could ever do and don't even know that LSD and pot are two very different drugs that do two very different things the likelihood that you will be able to see the signs in your children is small. If you grew up around it you too would have the same knowledge as someone who experimented themselves SO the statement wouldn't apply to you.
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Post by lisacharlotte on May 21, 2015 17:59:49 GMT
sure people are equating doing drugs in their youth as a cool thing that nobody would believe now that they are parents are apparently square.
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Post by chlerbie on May 21, 2015 18:41:17 GMT
I am not equating it as a cool thing, however I'm also saying that it was not a negative experience. It was MY experience and a question was asked about it and I shared how I felt--not to impress anyone else. The implication that anyone was, is kind of snotty. You have NOT had the experience, even if you've been around those who have, and that is fine but not necessarily something to be self-righteous about. I don't judge those who have or those who have not and while it's definitely not a part of my life now, it IS a part of my life experience. As you said, to each his own.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 18:54:14 GMT
Man, people who are high are ANNOYING when you're sober! FOR SURE. That was one of our rules when we would drop, though. One of us had to be sober and the "babysitter" in case anything started going wrong - we rotated that responsibility. When it was my turn, it started to make me realize that we weren't being NEARLY as clever and mindbendingly brilliant as we thought LOL I volunteered to be the babysitter for my friends when they dropped acid, since I wasn't interested in it. They weren't nearly as awesomely fun as they thought they were, LOL. Although it was pretty funny when we went out for ice cream and they kept trying all the flavors. They had the funniest reactions to the different tastes. ETA: I didn't read how the last page got more serious before answering. I'm just telling my story to answer the OP's question. My life is my history. Anyone who knows me knows just how uncool I am. And I'm fine with that. Just like I do here, I tell stories of my experiences to my kids. Some of the times it's a lesson, and some of the time it's just a story. I try very hard to give my kids real life examples of how to deal with different situations they might encounter and thoughts on how to deal with them. Drug and alcohol use is one of those examples.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 21, 2015 19:12:59 GMT
sure people are equating doing drugs in their youth as a cool thing that nobody would believe now that they are parents are apparently square. The thing is though, life changes things. While I have no regrets I also am not ashamed. That doesn't mean that I equate my youth to being "cool" at all. I do, however, think the difference between me then and me now if funny-not ha-ha funny but ironically funny. Hypocritical? Sure. In this case it is very much a do as I say and not as I do kind of thing. That doesn't mean that I laugh at how 'square' I am, it just means that I changed as I got older. Just like I am also way more fiscally conservative than my younger self was, I drive slower, I have a different opinion on a number of political issues and really want those damn kids to quit trying to skateboard jump off my curb. I worry about insurance and retirement and all kinds of things that I never even thought about when I was 20. Life changes a person.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 19:23:35 GMT
sure people are equating doing drugs in their youth as a cool thing that nobody would believe now that they are parents are apparently square. I think there is a big difference between thinking it was "cool" at the time, and thinking it's "cool" now. At the time, sure, I thought it was expanding my horizons and very countercultural of me. My opinions of it now are quite different, but that doesn't mean I'm ashamed of or regret the experiences. They just are just part of my history - one of a litany of dumb choices of all kinds that most kids make and somehow survive. This was just one of my dumb choices. They are all part of what make us who we are today, for better or worse.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 21, 2015 20:02:18 GMT
sure people are equating doing drugs in their youth as a cool thing that nobody would believe now that they are parents are apparently square. I think there is a big difference between thinking it was "cool" at the time, and thinking it's "cool" now. At the time, sure, I thought it was expanding my horizons and very countercultural of me. My opinions of it now are quite different, but that doesn't mean I'm ashamed of or regret the experiences. They just are just part of my history - one of a litany of dumb choices of all kinds that most kids make and somehow survive. This was just one of my dumb choices. They are all part of what make us who we are today, for better or worse. I agree! When I smoked pot here and there back in the day I never did it to be cool I did it because I wanted to try it and to be honest I enjoyed it. I don't think it made me cool or uncool. I'm not ashamed of it but I'm not cheering about it either. It's just one of those things where it happened and it's over with. I have no regrets.
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Post by NoWomanNoCry on May 21, 2015 20:09:51 GMT
I don't think you have to have experimented to look for the signs in your children. Some of us lived through it in our families and friends. I also think some people are trying to impress with how wild and experimental and cool they were when they took drugs. I think some here have claimed to be more open and enlightened due to their drug use. I think to each their own. My prude-ishness about drugs doesn't make me a naive pearl clutcher. :-) I'm sorry if I gave you the impression that I thought you were a prude or a 'naive pearl clutcher.' That certainly wasn't my intention. I was simply trying to give a different point of view, that just as you would prefer not to be considered a naive prude, I would prefer to not be considered whatever the sterotype of someone who experimented (or more) with drugs and alcohol. Speaking of being stereotyped with experimenting. In 10th grade BEFORE I had tried smoking pot I had a teacher who always called my friends and I "Stoners" she tended to latch onto the more popular kids that dressed in the trendy stuff and came from $$$. I dressed "normal" my friends dressed "goth-ish". Yet she always and I mean ALWAYS talked crap on us. I came in one day with a Nirvana T Shirt on and she said "I see you're wearing your pot head shirt today...did you smoke one before you came to school?" I always laughed her off but that day it pissed me off so bad I told her to go F herself and I walked out. I told the principle I refuse to go back and he said he didn't blame me lol.
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Post by freecharlie on May 21, 2015 21:46:23 GMT
sure people are equating doing drugs in their youth as a cool thing that nobody would believe now that they are parents are apparently square. The way this sentence is written makes me not sure of how I am supposed to comprehend it. Is it that people who did drugs think it was cool because they are square now? Or that it they thought it was cool then? Or... FWIW, I enjoyed my youth. I smoked pot quite a bit and loved it. I dropped acid a few times and enjoyed it until my cousin cut her foot. I drank as a teen and actually drank more prior to turning 21 than I did after. I didn't think it was cool or uncool at the time. I was being me. I don't think it is cool or uncool now. I hope my kids don't do acid because of the potential for it to go wrong. I hope if they smoke pot that it doesn't negatively affect them (apparently the potency of THC has gone from 4-10% back in my day to 40% now so pot is way stronger now and Colorado has the best). I hope if they drink, they don't drink too much, don't drink and drive, and don't get into the car with a drunk driver. Hell, I hope they don't do half the stuff I did because I worry about them. But I am not ashamed or embarrassed of what I did as a youth (well there are a couple of embarrassing things). I didn't hurt anybody and I am okay. I know it doesn't work that way with everybody, but it did with me. I quit smoking pot because I didn't want it to hinder my financial aid and I wasn't hanging out with people who smoked pot as much. I don't smoke pot now (even though it is legal in Colorado) because I haven't bothered and since I am a teacher, I don't want parents or students to see me in a pot shop. I don't think even with it being legal in Colorado that I am allowed to smoke while under contract with a school district. I am not willing to take that risk for a high. And frankly, you can judge me all you want and think I am trying to be cool. I can't believe there is a "cool kids" argument on a message board that bloomed from scrapbooking.
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Post by gramasue on May 21, 2015 22:33:26 GMT
I've never done acid or coke or any of those scary things, but once in my early twenties, I went to a party and smoked some weed. The guy hosting the party had just moved into his apartment and didn't have any furniture in the livingroom yet other than an aquarium full of fish against the one end wall, and a couple of wooden sawhorses that he had been using to help him with painting the room. Everyone was either standing around or sitting on the floor. I remember thinking I was so cool, and perching up on one of the sawhorses ... and then falling off backwards. I swear, it took me about a week and a half to hit the floor. That is my recollection to this day, and that was a long time ago! Thank goodness there was carpeting!
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Post by peasapie on May 22, 2015 1:11:20 GMT
No, I was too afraid. However, I read some time back about the psychological uses for LSD in the 50s and 60s. It was legal for a time and used as part of therapy for many people. I think the bad trips started happening when LSD became a street drug and was tainted.
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Post by Grom Pea on May 22, 2015 3:25:25 GMT
No but I had a neighbor who we called the happiest man on earth, he was always sitting on the lawn with a perma grin on his face or looking into the koi pond. He was constantly happy. Dh asked his sister who sometimes visited him what had happened to him because clearly he was in a euphoric and child like state. Apparently he did too much and and was on a permanent trip. Lucky for him it was a euphoric one and his mother was still caring for him even though she was elderly and he was in his last 40s by the looks of him.
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