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Pearl Clutcher
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 21, 2015 14:52:09 GMT
It would appear that the confusion was not just on my part.
To clarify, if a white pea does not post a thread about white on white crime then this is just more evidence of white privilege. Did I get it right?
I also saw the mug shots and while the majority are white thugs, there seemed to be some minority thugs in the crowd too.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 14:55:06 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do.
But nobody can argue that it's not odd that there was no post about this.
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ginacivey
Pearl Clutcher
refupea #2 in southeast missouri
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Post by ginacivey on May 21, 2015 14:56:26 GMT
i'm just not outraged
it is terrible but violence among 1%ers is common and expected - this just happens to have involved larger than normal group
had nine innocent people died..then you'd have your outrage
it's hard to feel sorry for thugs -
the part that is outrageous is that it was so public - MCs tend to be very private - in all their endeavors
this is not much different than the gang violence i watch on the morning news everyday
i don't comment on that violence either -
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Pearl Clutcher
Not my circus, not my monkeys ~refugee pea #59
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 21, 2015 14:56:52 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do. ok, gotcha. I think I will back out of this thread. Some people are expressing anger about opinions expressed in other threads at different times. And I don't do passive-aggressive.
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freebird
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Jun 25, 2014 20:06:48 GMT
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Post by freebird on May 21, 2015 14:58:27 GMT
They difference is after the situation you see all the bikers calming sitting around, they're not rioting damaging local businesses. C U Next Tuesday. Completely uncalled for. Showing your true character I see.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:00:53 GMT
it's easy to see who was arrested...all 170 mug shots are on all the major new sites all races - all ages and both genders i think people would be surprised if they scrolled thru gina Don't try to present the facts, Gina. The facts don't matter.
Honestly, I'm waiting for Al Sharpton to show up. I'm also waiting for President Obama to hold a press conference and tell us that if he had a son, they would look like __________.
It was an awful incident...thugs killing thugs. 170 people were arrested. I'm pretty sure no innocent people or LEO's were hurt...unlike Ferguson and Baltimore. I'm also fairly confident there was no rioting...no businesses were burned. No cars were burned.
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2015 15:01:36 GMT
And I guess the fact that 9 people are dead is totally inconsequential, huh annabelle? #shouldn'tthosewhitelivesmattermore These biker gangs are thugs and they also want to kill law enforcement. I am not sure what your point is. Yes biker *gangs* are thugs or criminals or however you phrase that, but not every group that rides motorcycles are thugs there are many bike clubs that are just people who ride and do charity work. All I've heard around here is the outrage over what these criminals have done. And that they ought to be tried and jailed. It's outrageous for them to kill so many people and to destroy so much. But, most of them were arrested. They ARE going to court to be tried for their crimes. They were arrested quickly, and treated fairly by police. I'm not in favor of vigilante justice, and these people are in custody and being tried, what else is there to protest about? It's a totally different situation than baltimore or ferguson. Let's allow the justice system to work. If it doesn't then I do think you'll see outrage over this. But until then what would there be to do? A heinous crime was committed, those involved were arrested, are being held under very high bail, they are on track to be prosecuted. Right now the justice system is doing what it should.
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loco coco
Pearl Clutcher
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Jun 26, 2014 16:15:45 GMT
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Post by loco coco on May 21, 2015 15:02:17 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do. But nobody can argue that it's not odd that there was no post about this. what would the multi page thread be about? what are you outraged over? If the waco police let them go - yep, multi page thread about cops being paid off If the franchisee didnt get in trouble - yep multi page thread for letting this idiot continue business but none of that happened. Thugs killed thugs. Maybe there should be a thread about how well the cops handled this situation.
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Post by myshelly on May 21, 2015 15:02:28 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do. But nobody can argue that it's not odd that there was no post about this. Oh for the love. You see it because you're looking for it. The situations aren't even comparable. No one went on a multi day rampage to destroy an entire city. There was a biker shoot out in a biker bar and only bikers were I injured. There wasn't a thread be it's just not that interesting. There isn't outrage bc there is nothing to be outraged about.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 15:09:02 GMT
Refupeas get outraged about just about everything. Most of which I think is kind of ridiculous. I'm not outraged about this. I do think it is newsworthy and conversation worthy, and I assumed someone here would post about it as nearly everything esle is posted about. No matter how banal.
I just wondered why not this.
Perhaps I see it because it's there.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:11:42 GMT
Waco coverage shows double standard on race
In spite of myshelly 's declaration there is nothing to get outraged about in Waco a writer named Sally Kohn wrote a piece for CNN that makes the case there is a double standard in the reporting of crimes committed by whites and blacks. I think she made a couple of valid points.
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Post by Woobster on May 21, 2015 15:15:58 GMT
Refupeas get outraged about just about everything. Most of which I think is kind of ridiculous. I'm not outraged about this. I do think it is newsworthy and conversation worthy, and I assumed someone here would post about it as nearly everything esle is posted about. No matter how banal. I just wondered why not this. Perhaps I see it because it's there. So why not just start a thread and discuss it?
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 15:17:34 GMT
That's what I did.
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ginacivey
Pearl Clutcher
refupea #2 in southeast missouri
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Post by ginacivey on May 21, 2015 15:20:24 GMT
i probably would have posted had i been around
i was graduating my youngest child from high school and had 15 guests staying with me
i was pretty damn busy
i do think it's weird that it wasn't mentioned in a thread
maybe not a thread expressing outrage but a thread saying 'holy shit...did y'all see that?'
because peas do post about every.damn.thing
i thought it was outrage specifically that you were looking for
gina
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:20:31 GMT
This whole thing is silly. They were arrested, charges being filed. I really don't see why this is being used as some big got ya post. Just makes the divide even bigger and bigger.
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Post by Merge on May 21, 2015 15:21:00 GMT
I don't think the Waco situation is remotely comparable to other officer-involved shootings that made the news recently.
No bikers rioted because other bikers were shot by police while committing a crime, though police in Waco are said to be on high alert because of threats of retaliation from other bikers who planned to travel to Waco for that purpose.
No one has said or suggested that the bikers who were involved were in any way wronged by the police who returned fire and made arrests.
This is all over the news daily here in Texas at least; perhaps those of us who live here thought that other peas would use this large-scale gun crime as yet another reason to bash our state, and didn't wish to bring it up. I know that I personally am embarrassed that this happened in my state and think that the thugs involved got exactly what they deserved.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 21, 2015 15:21:15 GMT
I have been sort of thinking about this lately...as in how is it that we (society as a whole) perceive certain events.
In this case, I suspect that the lack of outrage has a lot to do with how the information was first framed-it wasn't defined as a social issue, but rather as a large scale criminal event. After that, all the information provided was put within that frame work...police response (they were already there in a obvious, marked numbers monitoring the event,) the scale of the arrests, the sterotypes of what a "biker gang" demographic make up is, etc.
Maybe that isn't the right answer though. I don't have a sociology degree...but it is an interesting question and would be interesting to do the research.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:21:36 GMT
it's easy to see who was arrested...all 170 mug shots are on all the major new sites all races - all ages and both genders i think people would be surprised if they scrolled thru gina I scrolled through and while I didn't keep an exact tally and study each mug shot, I noticed 1 African-American man, 2 women and and maybe 20 Hispanic men. I probably missed a few, but it's definitely a significant majority of white men.
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Olan
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Jul 13, 2014 21:23:27 GMT
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Post by Olan on May 21, 2015 15:22:33 GMT
They difference is after the situation you see all the bikers calming sitting around, they're not rioting damaging local businesses. They didn't riot because despite it being a super dangerous situation with critically injured people and the armed perpetrators of those crimes, the police were all like okay this is a large group of white men on Harley's lets treat them with some respect they don't deserve! Over the years I've always wondered why everyone regarded you with such disdain/disgust and routinely railed you about your "stupid comments"....no longer.
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Post by Woobster on May 21, 2015 15:23:04 GMT
Actually, you started a thread wondering why no one else had started a thread. I think that's the passive-aggressiveness that another Pea mentioned.
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Olan
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Post by Olan on May 21, 2015 15:27:11 GMT
Waco coverage shows double standard on race
In spite of myshelly 's declaration there is nothing to get outraged about in Waco a writer named Sally Kohn wrote a piece for CNN that makes the case there is a double standard in the reporting of crimes committed by whites and blacks. I think she made a couple of valid points. An excellent article.
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 15:30:24 GMT
I don't think the *crimes* are comparable, but I do think the differences in reactions by the media and the public at large are important/instructive to note.
This sums it up for me, from the article linked above.
I can't bring myself to believe that if it had been predominantly African-American gangs who got in a huge gunfight, killing 9 gang members and 170 others being arrested, that we wouldn't be subjected to endless stories on the crisis in the black community, black-on-black crime, are you safe from gangs? stories, and all kinds of other coverage this is almost entirely absent in this case.
Bottom line, when African-Americans (or other ethnic/racial minorities) commit crime or riot, it's treated like it's representative of the entire race. When whites commit crimes or riot, they are just bad people, not representative of their broader racial group.
That double standard is wrong.
Multiple links have been posted here and at the old Two Peas over the years about the differences in how similar situations are talked about, depending on who the perpetrators are. Like, predominantly white groups "celebrating" after major sports wins/losses which does just as much damage as, say, post-Ferguson "riots."
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Dalai Mama
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 15:35:49 GMT
I'll admit to being a little lost here, but I don't really get what I'm supposed to be outraged about.
I mean, I can go on and on about why I am outraged about the deaths of John Crawford, Freddie Gray, and Walter Scott, but those were entirely different situations. I'll also express outrage about people losing their livelihoods in the name of civil unrest.
I just don't get what is so outrageous about members of one gang killing members of another gang.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 15:40:51 GMT
The same pea that said that "Some people" are passive aggressive?
Okay. LOL.
And I started at thread asking if I missed a thread or if there wasn't one.
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keithurbanlovinpea
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Flowing with the go...
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Jun 29, 2014 3:29:30 GMT
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Post by keithurbanlovinpea on May 21, 2015 15:42:16 GMT
They difference is after the situation you see all the bikers calming sitting around, they're not rioting damaging local businesses. C U Next Tuesday. What are you, 9?
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 15:42:43 GMT
I'll admit to being a little lost here, but I don't really get what I'm supposed to be outraged about.
I mean, I can go on and on about why I am outraged about the deaths of John Crawford, Freddie Gray, and Walter Scott, but those were entirely different situations. I'll also express outrage about people losing their livelihoods in the name of civil unrest.
I just don't get what is so outrageous about members of one gang killing members of another gang.
"Outrage" is probably a too over the top word to use. I'm being dramatic there. But radio silence, was not what I expected.
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conchita
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Post by conchita on May 21, 2015 15:48:11 GMT
I'll admit to being a little lost here, but I don't really get what I'm supposed to be outraged about.
I mean, I can go on and on about why I am outraged about the deaths of John Crawford, Freddie Gray, and Walter Scott, but those were entirely different situations. I'll also express outrage about people losing their livelihoods in the name of civil unrest.
I just don't get what is so outrageous about members of one gang killing members of another gang.
I'm in the same boat with you trying to figure it out as well. I think the issue is how the media reports "white" crime as opposed to when minorities commit crimes. Which should be the topic and then use what happened in Waco as a recent example. That's the only thing that makes sense at this point because I don't think this thread is really about Waco at all.
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Dalai Mama
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Jun 26, 2014 0:31:31 GMT
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 16:02:12 GMT
I'll admit to being a little lost here, but I don't really get what I'm supposed to be outraged about.
I mean, I can go on and on about why I am outraged about the deaths of John Crawford, Freddie Gray, and Walter Scott, but those were entirely different situations. I'll also express outrage about people losing their livelihoods in the name of civil unrest.
I just don't get what is so outrageous about members of one gang killing members of another gang.
"Outrage" is probably a too over the top word to use. I'm being dramatic there. But radio silence, was not what I expected. I'll admit that I've been quiet on it because I don't really see this incident as being out of the ordinary.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 16:05:02 GMT
You are totally right GypsyGirl. It really did start innocently enough, although I will admit I thought it very odd that nothing was posted and wondered.
Annabelle's comment made me go left and I probably shouldn't have as to not divert the whole thread. Mea culpa there. Honestly.
Interesting though that you didn't think that her comment was what started the spiral, but that my response was.....
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 16:07:09 GMT
I'll admit that I've been quiet on it because I don't really see this incident as being out of the ordinary. Since I've been watching the last season of Sons of Anarchy, oddly Waco does seem ordinary. These guys are kittens next to SAMCRO. I think there have been at least 30 murders in the last couple shows I saw.
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