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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2015 16:13:17 GMT
Ok, media discrepancy is something I CAN ( and have ) get outraged about. Let's just say they can't report anything factually and that pretty much sums up what I feel about media. Media is totally unreliable today. I actually was just listening to a discussion on the radio about how soft the supposedly real news has gone lately and I've got to agree.
I HAVE heard daily radio reports on this event though so I'm not sure what is meant by 'radio silence' ? I can't speak to TV coverage as there have been too many evening school event since for me to catch TV news. I'm still kind if boycotting TV news anyway over the totally inaccurate on air speculation over the train derailment. Frankly I can't see why I'd make time in my life for such inaccurate nonfiction TV. There has been plenty reporting of this event on radio and in the print news and I'm nowhere near Texas. If you were talking about 2peas not having any thread ( and there may have been I don't know I've been busy ) then yea that'd be off because peas 'discuss' every little thing.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 21, 2015 16:14:47 GMT
I'll admit that I've been quiet on it because I don't really see this incident as being out of the ordinary. Since I've been watching the last season of Sons of Anarchy, oddly Waco does seem ordinary. These guys are kittens next to SAMCRO. I think there have been at least 30 murders in the last couple shows I saw. I saw news reports and thought maybe SOA wasn't all fiction.
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Post by Dalai Mama on May 21, 2015 16:16:32 GMT
I'll admit that I've been quiet on it because I don't really see this incident as being out of the ordinary. Since I've been watching the last season of Sons of Anarchy, oddly Waco does seem ordinary. These guys are kittens next to SAMCRO. I think there have been at least 30 murders in the last couple shows I saw. Yeah, I was living in Montreal at the beginning of the Guerre des motards.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 16:16:55 GMT
Ok, media discrepancy is something I CAN ( and have ) get outraged about. Let's just say they can't report anything factually and that pretty much sums up what I feel about media. Media is totally unreliable today. I actually was just listening to a discussion on the radio about how soft the supposedly real news has gone lately and I've got to agree. I HAVE heard daily radio reports on this event though so I'm not sure what is meant by 'radio silence' ? I can't speak to TV coverage as there have been too many evening school event since for me to catch TV news. I'm still kind if boycotting TV news anyway over the totally inaccurate on air speculation over the train derailment. Frankly I can't see why I'd make time in my life for such inaccurate nonfiction TV. There has been plenty reporting of this event on radio and in the print news and I'm nowhere near Texas. If you were talking about 2peas not having any thread ( and there may have been I don't know I've been busy ) then yea that'd be off because peas 'discuss' every little thing. I agree with you on the media. And yes, I meant 2peas. It is odd that nobody said a word.
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Post by hop2 on May 21, 2015 16:20:19 GMT
Ok, I get it now.
Maybe benefit of the doubt that some have been busy w end of year/holiday/kid stuff though. End if may/early June is traditionally a slow time on the board? Or am I way off there?
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Post by Nink on May 21, 2015 16:33:37 GMT
Honestly, I heard about it when it happened, but it didn't hit me as anything different than the gang on gang violence that happens everyday here in Los Angeles. I don't start threads about those events either.
I've always found the "why hasn't there been a thread started about this" call outs annoying. Then start one and discuss the issue at hand as opposed to hand slapping or being passive/aggressive to everyone who didn't.
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Post by rumplesnat on May 21, 2015 16:39:29 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do. But nobody can argue that it's not odd that there was no post about this. I not see a thread regarding Letterman's last show, either. Shall we call that odd or become outraged?
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 16:42:59 GMT
No, you actually didn't get that right back to peality. Perhaps you have a different understanding of white privilege than I do. But nobody can argue that it's not odd that there was no post about this. I not see a thread regarding Letterman's last show, either. Shall we call that odd or become outraged? Yeah, because that's exactly the same. Or whatever.
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Post by peanuttle on May 21, 2015 16:43:19 GMT
I took Annabella's comment as a response to the comment about rioting in Baltimore, not about the deaths, but I guess I could be wrong.
All in all, it doesn't matter what color or type of "gang" you are, this violence it disgusting!
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 16:43:53 GMT
Honestly, I heard about it when it happened, but it didn't hit me as anything different than the gang on gang violence that happens everyday here in Los Angeles. I don't start threads about those events either. I've always found the "why hasn't there been a thread started about this" call outs annoying. Then start one and discuss the issue at hand as opposed to hand slapping or being passive/aggressive to everyone who didn't. I find hand slapping annoying too. We are on the same page with that.
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Post by carly on May 21, 2015 16:51:01 GMT
No but I didn't see a thread about 173 shootings in Chicago since May 1 either 22 dead.
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Post by lucyg on May 21, 2015 16:51:34 GMT
Ok, media discrepancy is something I CAN ( and have ) get outraged about. Let's just say they can't report anything factually and that pretty much sums up what I feel about media. Media is totally unreliable today. I actually was just listening to a discussion on the radio about how soft the supposedly real news has gone lately and I've got to agree. I HAVE heard daily radio reports on this event though so I'm not sure what is meant by 'radio silence' ? I can't speak to TV coverage as there have been too many evening school event since for me to catch TV news. I'm still kind if boycotting TV news anyway over the totally inaccurate on air speculation over the train derailment. Frankly I can't see why I'd make time in my life for such inaccurate nonfiction TV. There has been plenty reporting of this event on radio and in the print news and I'm nowhere near Texas. If you were talking about 2peas not having any thread ( and there may have been I don't know I've been busy ) then yea that'd be off because peas 'discuss' every little thing. Radio silence is a telecommunications term that is also a figure of speech for dead silence, no response, etc. I don't think she was referring specifically to radio coverage. I do think the actual issue bothering the OP is that the peas are quick to post eight pages of judgmentalism over black or Muslim violence, but are basically uninterested in white violence. Go back and read busypea's post and krazyscrapper's linked article. Those two posts pretty much explain what this is about. Agree or disagree with the premise, I do think there's a lot of obtuseness going on in this thread. ETA hop2, that last comment wasn't aimed at you, but referred to the thread in general. I'm sorry that isn't readily apparent.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 16:53:33 GMT
No but I didn't see a thread about 173 shootings in Chicago since May 1 either 22 dead. I actually have seen posts about Chicago violence.
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Post by 2peaornot2pea on May 21, 2015 16:57:33 GMT
How do you think the police in Waco and members of the media would have responded to this biker gang violence if the majority of the gang members were black? What occurred in Waco was gang land warfare and the police didn't bring out the heavy artillery?
Where is the social commentary and discussion over what drives these men to join violent motorcycle gangs who participate in unlawful activity? Were they raised in single parent households without their fathers present?
The police in Ferguson and Baltimore rolled up in military gear with SWAT teams to police mostly un-armed members of the community who were protesting and rioting over police brutality.
The contrasts in the differing responses is stark.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 21, 2015 17:01:37 GMT
2peaornot2pea I thought the SWAT "rolled up" on full gear for this too? Weren't they already monitoring the scene before the event started?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 17:06:39 GMT
No, you started a thread bitching that a thread hadn't been started.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 21, 2015 17:08:15 GMT
People are really messed up. I saw this as two gangs fighting it out. While I think it's very sad, I don't see any reason to be outraged by it. I do hate gang violence and wish we could stop it.
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Post by redayh on May 21, 2015 17:10:01 GMT
No, you started a thread bitching that a thread hadn't been started.
Ok.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 21, 2015 17:10:25 GMT
2peaornot2pea I thought the SWAT "rolled up" on full gear for this too? Weren't they already monitoring the scene before the event started? My understanding, and from the pictures that I saw the first day, the police were there in full force with all kinds of gear-including a very military looking vehicle. The spokesman (that first day) said, and I am paraphrasing here, that they had been given information that led them to anticipate problems and they were there in full view but that the motorcycle gang/club members did not seem to care.
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Post by pudgygroundhog on May 21, 2015 18:10:56 GMT
I don't think the *crimes* are comparable, but I do think the differences in reactions by the media and the public at large are important/instructive to note. This sums it up for me, from the article linked above. I can't bring myself to believe that if it had been predominantly African-American gangs who got in a huge gunfight, killing 9 gang members and 170 others being arrested, that we wouldn't be subjected to endless stories on the crisis in the black community, black-on-black crime, are you safe from gangs? stories, and all kinds of other coverage this is almost entirely absent in this case. Bottom line, when African-Americans (or other ethnic/racial minorities) commit crime or riot, it's treated like it's representative of the entire race. When whites commit crimes or riot, they are just bad people, not representative of their broader racial group. That double standard is wrong. Multiple links have been posted here and at the old Two Peas over the years about the differences in how similar situations are talked about, depending on who the perpetrators are. Like, predominantly white groups "celebrating" after major sports wins/losses which does just as much damage as, say, post-Ferguson "riots." Bingo!
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 21, 2015 18:14:04 GMT
Yea, I was wondering where all the thug and white on white crime threads were. My first thought was they are thugs and animals when I saw this on the news. But I didn't see any threads about it either.
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Post by happymomma on May 21, 2015 18:44:54 GMT
It's all very sad. From what I understand the shootings stemmed from a parking incident? Crazy. I'm glad the bikers I know don't behave like that. We ride with the Agent Orange Riders. Doing good for people. The bikers I know have huge hearts and are kind law-abiding citizens, most of them Veterans helping out their Brothers. I am just glad that the rest of the biker community in the area didn't tear the town up or burn it down escalating the number of victims. I'm interested to know if there is any video of the whole thing taking place. I have just started to look for it, but haven't seen any.
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Post by boxermom73 on May 21, 2015 20:37:13 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that a female officer was killed and her baby was coming home from the nicu the same week? I was so saddened by this... I didn't even hear about it here until I read it on facebook
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 20:46:51 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that a female officer was killed and her baby was coming home from the nicu the same week? I was so saddened by this... I didn't even hear about it here until I read it on Facebook Tragically, this did happen, but it's unrelated to the Waco shoot-out. No officers were injured in that.
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Post by lucyg on May 21, 2015 21:26:06 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that a female officer was killed and her baby was coming home from the nicu the same week? I was so saddened by this... I didn't even hear about it here until I read it on facebook And there is a thread about it here, started yesterday. Last time I checked (a couple of hours ago) it was still on page 1.
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Post by mollycoddle on May 21, 2015 21:27:33 GMT
I thought that it was odd that there was no thread. One difference in this instance is that the police handled the incident well. They were prepared and quickly ended the brawl.
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Post by gmcwife1 on May 21, 2015 21:28:42 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that a female officer was killed and her baby was coming home from the nicu the same week? I was so saddened by this... I didn't even hear about it here until I read it on facebook I just read that this morning here I had seen this on the news at all, but I've been busy away from the house for the past couple of days.
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Post by mirabelleswalker on May 21, 2015 21:30:12 GMT
I thought I read somewhere that a female officer was killed and her baby was coming home from the nicu the same week? I was so saddened by this... I didn't even hear about it here until I read it on facebook In Omaha, not Waco.
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Post by foolana on May 21, 2015 21:41:31 GMT
No, you started a thread bitching that a thread hadn't been started.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Do you ever NOT bitch about things here?
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Post by Deleted on May 21, 2015 22:18:04 GMT
No, you started a thread bitching that a thread hadn't been started.
People who live in glass houses shouldn't throw stones. Do you ever NOT bitch about things here? Of course I do.
But I don't start a thread to bitch about no one starting a thread. I've seen this happen before and, in fact, if my memory serves me correctly, there was another thread that went very similarly to this with someone complaining that a thread hadn't been started but actually NOT starting the discussion herself.
And if I have something to say, I say it. The OP was being passive aggressive and clearly had an issue with a pea or peas but chose to stomp her feet around the topic rather than stating it directly. If she had wanted to truly have a discussion, she would have started one. But obviously that's not what she wanted.
And while I'm at it, you've come onto this board pretty darn strong and obviously have some history/problem with Peas so it seems to me that you were probably posting under another name at Two Peas.
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