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Post by Skypea on May 22, 2015 19:36:25 GMT
Do you or have you ever worn polyester or any other fabric blend? Leviticus 19:19 "You are to keep My statutes. You shall not breed together two kinds of your cattle; you shall not sow your field with two kinds of seed, nor wear a garment upon you of two kinds of material mixed together." this has been addressed numerous times on here. That's on old OT thing. Might have been for health and safety reasons. cotton breathes - others don't. Especially in those times for circulation, sweating out impurities, to maintain body heat etc this would be very important. wandering in the desert for 40 yrs... no a/c, no fans... and btw, wool and hides are warmer in cold weather.
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Post by snowsilver on May 22, 2015 19:39:14 GMT
Just wondering if you always wear a head-covering, OP Leviticus 10:6 “Uncover not your heads, neither rend your clothes; lest ye die, and lest wrath come upon all the people.” Honestly, I don't understand why you would quote this as though it were something God said to all of us. This is about as serious an example of a misquote as I have ever seen, and surely you knew that. The context of this is the death of Nadab and Abihu who had offered unauthorized fire to God on the sacred ground of the tabernacle. They had been warned not to do that--clearly, clearly warned. But they did it anyway and were struck dead by God for it. The quote above was said to their father Aaron and their brothers--they were warned not to mourn in front of the people. They (as God's priests) were required to hold their tears even though those killed were their closest relatives. God wanted Israel to understand the very seriousness of profaning his holy tabernacle. If you read the passage, the rest of Israel was allowed to mourn--just not the priests. God NEVER told His people in general that they could not uncover their heads or rend their clothes. Sigh--I see this so often. The Bible (both Old and New Testaments) completely quoted out of context.
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 19:44:43 GMT
Just the response I would expect from you, snowsilver.
Yes, I did ask an iffy question. You wouldn't respond to others. Did you ever answer the other question about wearing polyester or mixed fibers?
Do you make sure that all the plant foods you eat come from fields where only that one fruit or vegetable is grown? The only feasible way to do that would be to grow everything you eat yourself. Do you grow all your own food?
And since you say that God wanted to make sure that everyone knew how serious it was to profane his holy tabernacle, did you follow God's strictures about women entering tabernacles/temples/churches after giving birth?
Do you believe that divorce should NEVER be allowed? Or that anyone who has been divorced should never be allowed to remarry?
Do you or your husband cut your hair?
Does your husband trim his beard?
Do you wear pearls or gold? There is a verse prohibiting that in the NT
Do you speak in church? There are bible verses that prohibit women from speaking in church.
Do you own slaves or even think it's ok to own slaves? The OT says god is perfectly fine with owning and even beating slaves.
Let me guess---prohibitions that you don't agree with/don't want to follow don't apply to you. YOUR interpretation of the bible is the only right way, and you support forcing your views on everyone else. SSDD
YOU are the one claiming that you need to hold yourself to every instruction in the bible, both the OT and NT:
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 19:45:08 GMT
So if you still feel you need to follow the OT how about Exodus 22:18. And doesn't it go against the 10 commandments?
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Post by Skypea on May 22, 2015 19:48:17 GMT
The question still applies. I'm aware of the context. Why was that said there in Lev? who said it? to whom? what were they doing? why? was it lawful? according to their rules at the time? who are those people?
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Post by Skypea on May 22, 2015 19:53:04 GMT
So if you still feel you need to follow the OT how about Exodus 22:18. And doesn't it go against the 10 commandments? no. as has been said here a number of times - the old laws have passed away and we are to keep the 10 commandments. We're now under grace. Christians are anyway. They also killed and sacrificed an animal to atone back then. We no longer do that either. Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice.
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Post by Skypea on May 22, 2015 20:05:44 GMT
Just the response I would expect from you, snowsilver. Did you ever answer the other question about wearing polyester or mixed fibers? And since you say that God wanted to make sure that everyone knew how serious it was to profane his holy tabernacle, did you follow God's strictures about women entering tabernacles/temples/churches after giving birth? Do you believe that divorce should NEVER be allowed? Or that anyone who has been divorced should never be allowed to remarry? Do you wear pearls or gold? There is a verse prohibiting that in the NT Do you speak in church? There are bible verses that prohibit women from speaking in church.
Let me guess---prohibitions that you don't agree with/don't want to follow don't apply to you. YOUR intrepetation of the bible is the only right way, and you support forcing your views on everyone else. SSDD there are many who make an interpretation without considering who is speaking, to whom, why, what is happening in that setting, culture, time, how it relates to other verses etc. Much needs to be taken into consideration.
How much have you studied what Jesus says about marriage and divorce? As a Christian, I go by what Jesus says.
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Post by Skypea on May 22, 2015 20:14:49 GMT
Just the response I would expect from you, snowsilver. Yes, I did ask an iffy question. You wouldn't respond to others. Did you ever answer the other question about wearing polyester or mixed fibers? Do you make sure that all the plant foods you eat come from fields where only that one fruit or vegetable is grown? The only feasible way to do that would be to grow everything you eat yourself. Do you grow all your own food? And since you say that God wanted to make sure that everyone knew how serious it was to profane his holy tabernacle, did you follow God's strictures about women entering tabernacles/temples/churches after giving birth? Do you believe that divorce should NEVER be allowed? Or that anyone who has been divorced should never be allowed to remarry? Do you or your husband cut your hair? Does your husband trim his beard? Do you wear pearls or gold? There is a verse prohibiting that in the NT Do you speak in church? There are bible verses that prohibit women from speaking in church. Do you own slaves or even think it's ok to own slaves? The OT says god is perfectly fine with owning and even beating slaves. Let me guess---prohibitions that you don't agree with/don't want to follow don't apply to you. YOUR interpretation of the bible is the only right way, and you support forcing your views on everyone else. SSDD YOU are the one claiming that you need to hold yourself to every instruction in the bible, both the OT and NT: Do YOU know why things like you've posted are not still held to? Do you understand the difference in the OT and the NT? When you post one of those topics, how much have you read about it? 1 vs, 2 verses? the chapter? several chapters? the book? looked up references in other areas of scripture? looked up the words? checked a commentary? have you researched the culture at that time?
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Post by Deleted on May 22, 2015 20:23:51 GMT
So if you still feel you need to follow the OT how about Exodus 22:18. And doesn't it go against the 10 commandments? no. as has been said here a number of times - the old laws have passed away and we are to keep the 10 commandments. We're now under grace. Christians are anyway. They also killed and sacrificed an animal to atone back then. We no longer do that either. Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice.
But snow silver is saying the laws are still in place. I wasn't speaking to you.
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 20:42:10 GMT
av I agree that there are some things in scripture that are hard to understand. There are some things that could have multiple interpretations. I think we all know that. However some things are written clearly. The whole letter of Galatians makes it abundantly clear that we are not under the law. It is to hard to follow OT laws. That is the point. That is why we have Jesus to fulfill the law and remove the burden from us. Just because some people choose to twist things doesn't make it a valid interpretation. Julie Some Christians don't seem to want to say that, or seem to not to believe that at all at all. Indeed some will fiercely deny it. I think that in general anyone who denies that some things could have multiple interpretations are usually a part of a cult. That is a cultic way of thinking. Julie
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Post by snowsilver on May 22, 2015 21:03:00 GMT
no. as has been said here a number of times - the old laws have passed away and we are to keep the 10 commandments. We're now under grace. Christians are anyway. They also killed and sacrificed an animal to atone back then. We no longer do that either. Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice.
But snow silver is saying the laws are still in place. I wasn't speaking to you. No, I have NEVER said the Mosaic laws are still in place. I believe, in fact, that they were nailed to the cross and are no longer binding on Christians (hence the ripping of the veil in the Most Holy Place as Christ died). They were a type and were done away with when the Anti-type came. However, I DO believe the Ten Commandments are still binding, and there are many, many New Testament passages to confirm this. We do live under grace now, but that does not mean that we are allowed to break the commandments. Grace means that Christ covers our sins when we confess them and has made atonement for them. When they are confessed and forsaken, they are buried and we stand before God as if we had not sinned. Some Christians don't seem to want to say that, or seem to not to believe that at all at all. Indeed some will fiercely deny it. I think that in general anyone who denies that some things could have multiple interpretations are usually a part of a cult. That is a cultic way of thinking. Julie
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Post by gypsymama on May 22, 2015 21:03:56 GMT
the mental gymnastics, the condescending preachy bitchy replies, refusing to answer (btw the bible says to ALWAYS have an answer)... do you really think you are exhibiting christ-like behavior? and this is directed specifically to 3 people trying to talk to the rest of us like we're too stupid to even breathe
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Post by stampbooker on May 22, 2015 21:06:50 GMT
Snowsilver will you share with us more about your faith? What type of faith/church do you identify with. How do you explain Galatians and Hebrews that so clearly teach that we are not under the law?
How do you feel about being held to such a strict standard that you can never live up to? Do you believe you have to follow all the laws of the OT or just the 10 commandments? If your answer is only the 10 commandments why is that?
Julie
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Post by greenlegume on May 22, 2015 21:48:13 GMT
But snow silver is saying the laws are still in place. I wasn't speaking to you. No, I have NEVER said the Mosaic laws are still in place. I believe, in fact, that they were nailed to the cross and are no longer binding on Christians (hence the ripping of the veil in the Most Holy Place as Christ died). They were a type and were done away with when the Anti-type came. However, I DO believe the Ten Commandments are still binding, and there are many, many New Testament passages to confirm this. We do live under grace now, but that does not mean that we are allowed to break the commandments. Grace means that Christ covers our sins when we confess them and has made atonement for them. When they are confessed and forsaken, they are buried and we stand before God as if we had not sinned. I think that in general anyone who denies that some things could have multiple interpretations are usually a part of a cult. That is a cultic way of thinking. Julie That's much more specific than your OP started off . . .
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Post by snowsilver on May 22, 2015 21:50:19 GMT
Snowsilver will you share with us more about your faith? What type of faith/church do you identify with. How do you explain Galatians and Hebrews that so clearly teach that we are not under the law? How do you feel about being held to such a strict standard that you can never live up to? Do you believe you have to follow all the laws of the OT or just the 10 commandments? If your answer is only the 10 commandments why is that? Julie Julie, that is such a hard topic to give a short answer to. And I'm hoping I'm not coming across as "preachy" as GypsyMama says some are. I really just wanted to know how other Christians feel about the Old Testament. I wasn't meaning to get into any kind of an argument about anything. But I will try to answer you. I do think we can live up to the law. That doesn't mean that we won't ever fail. But I believe through the grace of God we can put away sin from our lives. We can stop lying, coveting, stealing, etc. etc. I know that Galatians and Hebrews are often used to say that we are not under the law, but then what do you do with Romans 3:31--- Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (NIV). I have read Galatians and Hebrews many times, but I have also read James and other NT books that shed additional light on what Paul was saying. You seem to be a Bible student and I really appreciate your nice tone with the questions. As far as obeying all the laws of the OT, I'm not sure what you are asking? If you mean the one that are regularly thrown at Christians to make fun of our Bible beliefs (such as polyester, etc.) I will say again that they are part of the Mosaic law (given to Moses and written by his hand as opposed to the 10 Commandments, given by God and written in GOD's hand). I think the Mosaic law was meant to point to the Cross, and when Christ came that law was fulfilled by His death. I do, however, believe that there is a lot of common sense in some of those laws that would make our live happier and healthier if we were to live according to them. I hope I have answered your questions. Thank you for asking.
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Post by gottapeanow on May 23, 2015 0:19:37 GMT
I am kind of busy but want to say that my beliefs on this topic are very similar to what Julie has posted.
This is after decades of reading the Bible, working for three Christian ministries, attending Christian school, teaching at three Christian schools and volunteering at church for decades. For what my background is worth.
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 0:47:16 GMT
I don't think this is an argument. Christians are supposed to discuss and hash out scripture, that is how we learn and grow.
We do not overcome sin by trying to live up to the law. We will never overcome sin that way. We overcome sin by being transformed by the love and grace of Christ. We overcome sin by love. That is what it comes down to. Love the Lord with all your heart, mind, and soul and love your neighbor as yourself, all the law and all the demands of the prophets are based on these two commands.
No one can be made right with God by doing what the law commands. The law simply shows us how sinful we are. But now God has shown us a way to be made right with him without keeping the requirements of the law, as was promised in the writings of Moses and the prophets long ago. We are made right with God by placing our faith in Jesus Christ...So we are made right by God through faith and not by obeying the law...Well then if we emphasize faith does this mean that we can forget about the law? Of course not! In fact, only when we have faith do we truly fulfill the law.
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 1:07:45 GMT
Think about rules vs. relationship. Christianity is not about following a legalistic set of rules that we can never live up to. Those rules are not even enough anyway...we can't be good by following them, they only serve to show us where we fail. Rules can never make us good enough.
However our faith in Christ can transform us into his likeness and truly give us a love for God and for others. If we truly love and act in love for God and one another, then we automatically fulfill the law. Faith fulfills the law.
Julie
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 2:39:11 GMT
Faith expresses itself in love.
You who are trying to be justified by the law have been alienated from Christ; you have fallen away from grace. For through the Spirit we eagerly await by faith the righteousness for which we hope. For in Christ Jesus neither circumcision nor uncircumcision has any value. The only thing that counts is faith expressing itself through love. Galatians 5:4-6
Romans 13:8-10 Let no debt remain outstanding, except the continuing debt to love one another, for whoever loves others has fulfilled the law. The commandments, “You shall not commit adultery,” “You shall not murder,” “You shall not steal,” “You shall not covet,” and whatever other command there may be, are summed up in this one command: “Love your neighbor as yourself.” Love does no harm to a neighbor. Therefore love is the fulfillment of the law.
Galatians 5:14 For the whole law is fulfilled in one word, "You shall love your neighbor as yourself."
Julie
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Post by Skypea on May 23, 2015 4:43:13 GMT
no. as has been said here a number of times - the old laws have passed away and we are to keep the 10 commandments. We're now under grace. Christians are anyway. They also killed and sacrificed an animal to atone back then. We no longer do that either. Christ was the ultimate and final sacrifice.
But snow silver is saying the laws are still in place. I wasn't speaking to you. so? I'll reply if I want to. That's not how I read her posts... do you know enough to know the difference? or are you just being a snot about it? The OT law passed away with the death and resurrection of Christ. The 10 commandments are also in the NT (but in the OT too). Read the first 3 chapters of Hebrews... but then, I don't think you really want the truth.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on May 23, 2015 5:29:20 GMT
So, let me know if I have this straight.
You do not believe in the OT laws except for the Ten Commandments? And, you believe the others who say we are no longer bound by OT laws believe that includes the ten commandments?
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Post by stampbooker on May 23, 2015 6:50:16 GMT
It does include the 10 commandments. We no longer live by the law, but by love. So of course we will not commit murder, because if you love someone you don't kill them. We shouldn't commit adultery because that is not loving your spouse. It is our love that motivates us, not law.
As a child we need rules to teach us right from wrong. We tell our child, "Don't hit your brother, it's not nice." Our child is taught to follow the rules. As he grows, if he grows in love, he no longer needs that rule. You don't have to have a rule "don't hit" because he loves his brother and doesn't want to hurt him. That's the goal anyway, right? Same concept.
Let me put it another way. The law was our rules until Christ came; it protected us until we could be made right with God through faith. And now that the way of faith has come, we no longer need the law as our rules. Galatians 3:4-5
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Post by farmdpea on May 23, 2015 11:14:26 GMT
My pastor likes to reference this passage from Matthew:
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Post by monklady123 on May 23, 2015 11:44:54 GMT
Just the response I would expect from you, snowsilver. Did you ever answer the other question about wearing polyester or mixed fibers? And since you say that God wanted to make sure that everyone knew how serious it was to profane his holy tabernacle, did you follow God's strictures about women entering tabernacles/temples/churches after giving birth? Do you believe that divorce should NEVER be allowed? Or that anyone who has been divorced should never be allowed to remarry? Do you wear pearls or gold? There is a verse prohibiting that in the NT Do you speak in church? There are bible verses that prohibit women from speaking in church.
Let me guess---prohibitions that you don't agree with/don't want to follow don't apply to you. YOUR intrepetation of the bible is the only right way, and you support forcing your views on everyone else. SSDD there are many who make an interpretation without considering who is speaking, to whom, why, what is happening in that setting, culture, time, how it relates to other verses etc. Much needs to be taken into consideration.
How much have you studied what Jesus says about marriage and divorce? As a Christian, I go by what Jesus says.
Good point. This is precisely what many of us say about the (few) verses in scripture (both Old and New Testaments) that talk about same-gender relationships. Those verses speak against the pagan temple rites and rituals, not against any loving relationship between two men or two women. People who take those (few) verses today and try to make them point to "abomination" and "homosexuality" are not looking at what is happening in that setting, culture, and time. (and, I put "homosexuality" in quotes there because that word isn't even in scripture, only in later mis-translations).
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Post by momstime on May 23, 2015 13:16:43 GMT
This is what Jesus commands of me....Love God above all others and Do unto others as I would have them do unto me. I fail at both, often. Jesus knows this about me and loves me anyway. I am grateful for that.
We would be wise to focus less on religion and more on a relationship, as Jesus asked all Christians to do.
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Post by nurseypants on May 23, 2015 16:23:37 GMT
But snow silver is saying the laws are still in place. I wasn't speaking to you. so? I'll reply if I want to. That's not how I read her posts... do you know enough to know the difference? or are you just being a snot about it? The OT law passed away with the death and resurrection of Christ. The 10 commandments are also in the NT (but in the OT too). Read the first 3 chapters of Hebrews... but then, I don't think you really want the truth.
She CAN'T HANDLE THE TRUTH!!!
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Post by greenlegume on May 23, 2015 16:46:36 GMT
Snowsilver will you share with us more about your faith? What type of faith/church do you identify with. How do you explain Galatians and Hebrews that so clearly teach that we are not under the law? How do you feel about being held to such a strict standard that you can never live up to? Do you believe you have to follow all the laws of the OT or just the 10 commandments? If your answer is only the 10 commandments why is that? Julie Julie, that is such a hard topic to give a short answer to. And I'm hoping I'm not coming across as "preachy" as GypsyMama says some are. I really just wanted to know how other Christians feel about the Old Testament. I wasn't meaning to get into any kind of an argument about anything. But I will try to answer you. I do think we can live up to the law. That doesn't mean that we won't ever fail. But I believe through the grace of God we can put away sin from our lives. We can stop lying, coveting, stealing, etc. etc. I know that Galatians and Hebrews are often used to say that we are not under the law, but then what do you do with Romans 3:31--- Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (NIV). I have read Galatians and Hebrews many times, but I have also read James and other NT books that shed additional light on what Paul was saying. You seem to be a Bible student and I really appreciate your nice tone with the questions. As far as obeying all the laws of the OT, I'm not sure what you are asking? If you mean the one that are regularly thrown at Christians to make fun of our Bible beliefs (such as polyester, etc.) I will say again that they are part of the Mosaic law (given to Moses and written by his hand as opposed to the 10 Commandments, given by God and written in GOD's hand). I think the Mosaic law was meant to point to the Cross, and when Christ came that law was fulfilled by His death. I do, however, believe that there is a lot of common sense in some of those laws that would make our live happier and healthier if we were to live according to them. I hope I have answered your questions. Thank you for asking. This is such a cop-out. No one uses that to "make fun of your bible beliefs." You regularly show up on controversial threads or occasionally start one like this claiming moral superiority, while throwing out things like "I believe the god of the NT is the god of the OT and we do have to follow the laws." People ask for clarification and specifics, and you ignore all but a select one or two questions. Then you twist and squirm, only answer even more cherry picked questions, and say that you follow all the laws that you, or your church, think apply. And accuse people of persecuting you, making fun of your beliefs, etc. Ridiculous.
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Post by Skypea on May 23, 2015 17:41:39 GMT
Julie, that is such a hard topic to give a short answer to. And I'm hoping I'm not coming across as "preachy" as GypsyMama says some are. I really just wanted to know how other Christians feel about the Old Testament. I wasn't meaning to get into any kind of an argument about anything. But I will try to answer you. I do think we can live up to the law. That doesn't mean that we won't ever fail. But I believe through the grace of God we can put away sin from our lives. We can stop lying, coveting, stealing, etc. etc. I know that Galatians and Hebrews are often used to say that we are not under the law, but then what do you do with Romans 3:31--- Do we, then, nullify the law by this faith? Not at all! Rather, we uphold the law. (NIV). I have read Galatians and Hebrews many times, but I have also read James and other NT books that shed additional light on what Paul was saying. You seem to be a Bible student and I really appreciate your nice tone with the questions. As far as obeying all the laws of the OT, I'm not sure what you are asking? If you mean the one that are regularly thrown at Christians to make fun of our Bible beliefs (such as polyester, etc.) I will say again that they are part of the Mosaic law (given to Moses and written by his hand as opposed to the 10 Commandments, given by God and written in GOD's hand). I think the Mosaic law was meant to point to the Cross, and when Christ came that law was fulfilled by His death. I do, however, believe that there is a lot of common sense in some of those laws that would make our live happier and healthier if we were to live according to them. I hope I have answered your questions. Thank you for asking. This is such a cop-out. No one uses that to "make fun of your bible beliefs." You regularly show up on controversial threads or occasionally start one like this claiming moral superiority, while throwing out things like "I believe the god of the NT is the god of the OT and we do have to follow the laws." People ask for clarification and specifics, and you ignore all but a select one or two questions. Then you twist and squirm, only answer even more cherry picked questions, and say that you follow all the laws that you, or your church, think apply. And accuse people of persecuting you, making fun of your beliefs, etc. Ridiculous. sure they do. Many get a few things in their head that they think contradict other verses and then get upset when someone has a logical answer for them. They get ticked off (like you have) and pull the 'cherry picked' card... The reason many think some things in the Bible are contradictory is because they don't know why those things were said WHEN they were said and to whom. The old laws of Moses were given to the Jews, I'm not a Jew and neither is SS. (to make it really simple on this one). Just like the Gentiles in the NT, we are not bound by the Jewish laws. We are bound by the 10 commandments - carried over into the NT by Jesus.
There are a number of things in the Bible spoken (or 'given') to the Jews. It's for them, not Christians. There's also a difference in some things before Christ died and was resurrected. Before He sacrificed for us... and after. Just like I lived a different type of life before I got saved to what I do now. It's important to know who is saying something and who it is directed to. In Matt - John they are mostly speaking to the Jews - and it's prior to the death and resurrection. Paul's writings tho are to the Gentiles and AFTER the death and resurrection of Christ.
things like this cause those who don't know the differences to accuse a Christian of 'cherry picking'. SS often shows up on threads about Christianity for a reason, she's a Christian. Why do non Christians show up on them?
What questions didn't she answer? When numerous people are posting numerous questions, it's easy enough to miss some of them. Instead of complaining, repost them...
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Post by Skypea on May 23, 2015 17:57:14 GMT
there are many who make an interpretation without considering who is speaking, to whom, why, what is happening in that setting, culture, time, how it relates to other verses etc. Much needs to be taken into consideration.
How much have you studied what Jesus says about marriage and divorce? As a Christian, I go by what Jesus says.
Good point. This is precisely what many of us say about the (few) verses in scripture (both Old and New Testaments) that talk about same-gender relationships. Those verses speak against the pagan temple rites and rituals, not against any loving relationship between two men or two women. People who take those (few) verses today and try to make them point to "abomination" and "homosexuality" are not looking at what is happening in that setting, culture, and time. (and, I put "homosexuality" in quotes there because that word isn't even in scripture, only in later mis-translations). What did Jesus say in that setting, culture and time?
Matt 19 -
4 And He answered and said to them, “Have you not read that He who made them at the beginning ‘made them male and female,’ 5 and said, ‘For this reason a man shall leave his father and mother and be joined to his wife, and the two shall become one flesh’? 6 So then, they are no longer two but one flesh. Therefore what God has joined together, let not man separate.”
He even takes it back to the OT (the beginning).
Then there are the verses that speak about men with men and women with women...
... and sex outside of marriage (which is limited to a man and a woman).
Do you have any verses where He supports sex between any 2 who aren't married? Where He supports marriage between 2 men or 2 women? If so, start a new thread on it...
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Post by Deleted on May 23, 2015 18:18:43 GMT
My pastor likes to reference this passage from Matthew: well now I know Jesus is all about the commas and semicolons, I'm interested where does he sit on spelling...on your and you're. cardinal sin or all is forgiven? at least that bible verse above got something right: " Do you have any idea how silly you look"
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