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Post by *christine* on May 26, 2015 19:42:16 GMT
I'm sorry that the OP left after not many people agreed with her. I felt that the thread, for the most part, was good advice. Here's my bit of advice....for all you parents of kids younger than 15 - maybe 10 or 11 to 15, that haven't gotten into those first romantic relationships yet....why not sit down one night this week and have the conversation about the permanence of texting, posting on the internet, sending inappropriate pictures, etc. As well as reiterate *your* family expectations/rules on physical activity at their current age.
Yes the conversation can be uncomfortable, but it will be easier now than when you're upset having found something, or they're defensive and adrenaline filled with a new relationship.
And please, please, please, end the conversation by telling your child how much you love them and even if they make mistakes or disappoint you, promise you'll help them grow and learn to become responsible adults. As we've seen some of our pea friends lose their children before they had a chance to reach adult hood.
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Post by eventhinker on May 26, 2015 19:56:06 GMT
100% agree.
Also the more you talk the easier it gets.
We started at our house by discussing situations on TV shows. It's very natural conversation at this point.
I do know people with that OP's same viewpoint. I have tried reasoning with her...she often says that she is amazed at the way my husband and I speak so openly around our sons (of course we can. They are 20 and 21 and sex, drug and alcohol conversations are part of their lives.)
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Post by The Birdhouse Lady on May 26, 2015 19:58:22 GMT
I agree about talking to your kids often and openly.
I do think that she totally got piled on and I didn't really think that was cool.
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Post by maryland on May 26, 2015 20:07:07 GMT
Our daughters (our older two are 15 and 17) are very open with us too. Our girls have always been taught to respect boys, never to pressure them, and to treat others as they would like to be treated. They know they can come to us with any questions. The conversations were hard at first, but get easier. And the kids know that because we can talk easily, we really do trust them, and they have a lot more freedoms than other boys and girl their age have.
I remember what it was like to be a teenage girl, and I know that knowledge is power. We have never had strict rules when it comes to dating, and I think because of that, our girls don't really date much. It's not something "forbidden" so it isn't as tempting I guess! They do have boys that they hang out with a lot as they don't have all the drama that their girl friends have. We have also told them that we don't think they should drink (and it's illegal for their age!), but if they ever do, never drive! We will always come and pick them up, as well as their friends and not ask questions, or punish. We know we can't control what they do, but by giving them knowledge, they can make good decisions.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 20:07:31 GMT
The thread certainly didn't go the way she intended but I don't think you can claim to be disgusted by your child and not have people respond to that. Sex isn't disgusting and neither is her son.
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Post by Basket1lady on May 26, 2015 20:09:17 GMT
I think the OP got piled on, too. It was a slow weekend and the topic was a taboo subject.
We use TV shows a lot, too. For us, Big Bang Theory was a good one for our Asperger's DS. It brought up topics that I may have not thought of to cover and made for some interesting comments.
Middle school is a good time to start with all of this. Some friends will be in relationships and it's a good time to start discussing it. Generally pre-teens are somewhat still willing to talk to mom and dad. And the big one for me is the illegality of sending pictures. This generation is so open about their bodies--it constantly amazes me. Unless they are talking to their parents!
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Post by maryland on May 26, 2015 20:10:40 GMT
I agree about talking to your kids often and openly. I do think that she totally got piled on and I didn't really think that was cool. I agree! I felt so bad for her.
I can't help but think if she posted the same thing but said she substituted "daughter" for "son" she would have had lots of support and people saying the boy was a bad influence. I have seen that too many times. I don't like double standards, so that's what bothered me. But who knows, maybe she would have received the same replies regardless.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 26, 2015 20:11:43 GMT
That is great advice, *christine*.
I read the thread, but didn't get involved. I didn't see the need to pile on. I didn't like that she claimed to be disgusted and ashamed by her son's behavior. Well, maybe she didn't use those exact words, but that was basically what she was saying. Sexual desire is perfectly normal. But we do need to teach our kids the pitfalls to texting things that may end up in the wrong hands.
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Post by ReneeH20 on May 26, 2015 20:21:48 GMT
I agree with you OP. My kids are 19 and 21 now. We started talking to them in late elementary/middle school about relationships, etc. I was also honest with my kids. I told them that I didn't expect them to wait until they were married, but hoped they would wait until after HS to have sex (plus reasons why). If they chose to have sex, how to protect themselves. We also talked about drugs and drinking too.
TV shows are a great time to talk with kids. I also found driving in the car was a great time to talk with my teens. When you are not looking at them face to face, they are more open.
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Post by georgiapea on May 26, 2015 20:23:25 GMT
I was going to suggest she send him away for the summer, giving the GF time to find someone else. We really did pile on her, and even though I personally didn't, I'm not immune to such behavior.
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Post by *christine* on May 26, 2015 20:27:05 GMT
That is great advice, *christine*. I read the thread, but didn't get involved. I didn't see the need to pile on. I didn't like that she claimed to be disgusted and ashamed by her son's behavior. Well, maybe she didn't use those exact words, but that was basically what she was saying. Sexual desire is perfectly normal. But we do need to teach our kids the pitfalls to texting things that may end up in the wrong hands. I can honestly say disgust is probably one of the emotions/reactions I'd have if that's what I found on my son's phone. But as someone else posted on that thread - another person's sexuality - even your child - is theirs alone.
I just posted because I'm not there yet with my son, but I try to be really open with him, without opening it up too much so that he's going to ask me questions that I don't want to answer regarding what I was doing at the age he is now!
Being a mom is hard. None of us are perfect. We could all insert ourselves into a thread like that. It helps to step away from the keyboard and have a conversation with our own families about subjects that come up here.
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Post by basketdiva on May 26, 2015 20:33:27 GMT
OP did clarify that she was not disgusted by her son, but the conversations with "instructions" and explicit details. I do agree with the PSA concerning the permanence of texting/photos,etc. Also the consequences of inappropriate photos.
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Post by scrapsuzy on May 26, 2015 20:40:05 GMT
I also found driving in the car was a great time to talk with my teens. When you are not looking at them face to face, they are more open. Some of the best sex/relationship talks I've had with my kids have been in the car. I remember talking with my 3rd son one day while running several errands. We'd talk, get out of the car for awhile (time to think about what was said), back in and more talking, then repeat.
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Post by icedcoffee14 on May 26, 2015 20:40:09 GMT
My daughter is 12 and we have been communicating on this matter for over a year now. I am sure this will bring negative comments but she and I also watch Teen Mom together too. It has helped open discussions and have her see the not so nice side of relationships and how having sex before ready (preferably after 18 in my opinion) can lead to lifelong consequences. We have talked about what to look for in a companion, what qualities and values she has for herself and her friends around her as well as any possible boyfriends in the future. I let her talk about as much as she wants and talk as much as she wants to hear. I do not press the subject any further than she wants to hear. Thankfully right now for her boys are still kinda icky...lol. I know this will change and I hope I have raised her well enough to know what she is and is not ready for and not to compromise what she believes in no matter who is pressuring her.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 26, 2015 20:40:17 GMT
I think when the OP wrote the post she was on the corner of shock and denial. I have been there once or twice myself. The pile on was both predictable and unfortunate.
I can recall a few teachable moments between my son and I on this subject. Not always easy or comfortable but always with love, understanding and compassion. I never had the expectation that he would wait until marriage but I expected him to be a gentleman and not a dog in heat. I also think there is a big difference in young men from the age of 14 to 18 and the longer they wait the better. I am not in the camp of give him condoms because it is inevitable.
If we don't guide our sons and daughters as they grow into young men and women about sexuality and consent then as a society we are cultivating predators and victims.
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Post by scrappinmama on May 26, 2015 20:41:50 GMT
That is great advice, *christine*. I read the thread, but didn't get involved. I didn't see the need to pile on. I didn't like that she claimed to be disgusted and ashamed by her son's behavior. Well, maybe she didn't use those exact words, but that was basically what she was saying. Sexual desire is perfectly normal. But we do need to teach our kids the pitfalls to texting things that may end up in the wrong hands. I can honestly say disgust is probably one of the emotions/reactions I'd have if that's what I found on my son's phone. But as someone else posted on that thread - another person's sexuality - even your child - is theirs alone.
I just posted because I'm not there yet with my son, but I try to be really open with him, without opening it up too much so that he's going to ask me questions that I don't want to answer regarding what I was doing at the age he is now!
Being a mom is hard. None of us are perfect. We could all insert ourselves into a thread like that. It helps to step away from the keyboard and have a conversation with our own families about subjects that come up here.
I absolutely agree. It's the hardest job, and we will all make mistakes. I think having an open conversation is always a wise choice. I know I would be upset and disappointed if I stumbled upon sexting messages between my son and a girlfriend. For me, using the word disgusted seems a bit strong. But I respect that she has a right to be disgusted. It's her feelings, not mine. I do hope that there is a positive outcome out of it all.
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Post by doesitmatter on May 26, 2015 20:49:40 GMT
While I agree that there was some valuable advice, sadly there was also alot of attacking too. She was already in emotional turmoil and harsh judgement didn't help. I think she would have been much more open to advice had it been delivered differently. Unfortunately I have seen this type fo attack way too often here and it makes me sad.
I hope the op returns, even if under a different name.
I also hope that all of us can remember to extend kindness and empathy even when giving some hard to hear advice.
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Post by Rhondito on May 26, 2015 21:04:08 GMT
I agree with you, but *how* do you make a child/kid understand that once you put something out there, it's there forever? I feel like most kids will listen to you but then do what they want anyway. Even if you send someone a text or email in confidence, once you hit Send it's out of your control. The recipient can do whatever with it. How do you make ingrain this in a kid's mind?
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Post by lurkingsince2001 on May 26, 2015 21:07:51 GMT
A couple of thoughts here that hopefully won't get me run off the board. It has seemed exceptionally vicious lately.
As previously pointed out, how would the reactions be different if the Pea's child had been a girl and it was a boy always leading conversations down a sexual road and giving explicit instructions? Working on the assumption that the Pea knows her child better than any of us strangers do, what if the kid really is as/was as innocent as she claimed? And escalating after only 2 weeks? Why assume she's automatically wrong because the rest of us were apparently experimenting left and right by then? And if she is correct, doesn't this seem fast? I get that some peas are ok with relationships moving fast, clearly far faster than some of the rest of us, but wouldn't this send up red flags for anybody? If a boy was sending that stuff to a girl, a lot of us would flip. Why the double standard?
Several peas pointed out that she was unjustly vilifying the girl and painting her as the scarlet woman or whatever. Is she? We don't know. We haven't seen the texts or talked to the boy or the girl to know. Yet some of us felt perfectly fine telling this woman she must be wrong and how dare she accuse the girl as if having a vagina gives the girl a special free pass. Is that how it's working now? Girls can't sexually harrass or assault? They are all pristine angels above reproach just by virtue of having the right body parts? Isn't that like saying all boys are _____ because they have male body parts? Someone help me here because I'm hoping I was wrong.
I think part of what turned so many against her was that she brought her faith into it. No, her faith and lifestyle aren't necessarily her son's and she can't force them on him. But she can use them to set the rules of conduct and what's acceptable behavior or not, right? Or are we letting the kids run the show now? I think a parent has every right to be concerned when there kid is exhibiting potentially dangerous or life-altering behavior or seems to be in an undesirable relationship. When did "Kids have been doing it for years" or "They all do it" become acceptable excuses? What about all those school teams and frat rape cases lately? Would those excuses hold then? And honestly, just because "everybody" is doing it, or you did it, or MTV says it's okay, doesn't make it right or you (general you) right. If everyone was jumping off a bridge, would you?
This was a sad situation all the way around. The boy may or may not be in over his head. The mom is grieving the loss of the little boy he was while scared of what's coming. Instead of offering insight or useful experience, some felt the need to pile on. I think we all can see that there's a great chance of this situation going badly. And some of us made it worse. Even if she had posted it as a PVM, as was suggested, you know that anyone wanting to speak their mind would've anyway. But what purpose did it serve really? I feel like we failed somehow.
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Post by alittleintrepid on May 26, 2015 21:16:50 GMT
I didn't read all of the other thread (okay...I opened it but the OP was too long for my limited attention span!) so only have a general sense of what was going on. I do agree with what you've written here....if kids have the knowledge before they get into an adult situation, they are better prepared to make good choices.
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Post by maryland on May 26, 2015 21:16:59 GMT
I agree with you OP. My kids are 19 and 21 now. We started talking to them in late elementary/middle school about relationships, etc. I was also honest with my kids. I told them that I didn't expect them to wait until they were married, but hoped they would wait until after HS to have sex (plus reasons why). If they chose to have sex, how to protect themselves. We also talked about drugs and drinking too. TV shows are a great time to talk with kids. I also found driving in the car was a great time to talk with my teens. When you are not looking at them face to face, they are more open. I wish I could say the same about talking in the car. For my kids, that's the worst time to talk to them. All they want to do is be on their stupid phones. Then the older girls laugh about something, and I ask what they are laughing at and they won't tell me. And a disclaimer, I am not at all strict about most things and love to hear the fun they are having, what their friends are doing, or what boys they like. To me, that's so much fun to talk about. So it's not like I will be criticizing at all.
But as much as I drive them around, I would like it a lot more if they would talk to me! But in their defense, I am usually picking them up from something, and they couldn't be on their phones for a couple hours, so major withdrawal!
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Post by ellen on May 26, 2015 21:34:08 GMT
I remember my then 12 year old daughter looking at me just horrified when I talked to her about never sending a naked photo of yourself to someone no matter how much you trust them.
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Post by padresfan619 on May 26, 2015 21:39:00 GMT
I agree with you, but *how* do you make a child/kid understand that once you put something out there, it's there forever? I feel like most kids will listen to you but then do what they want anyway. Even if you send someone a text or email in confidence, once you hit Send it's out of your control. The recipient can do whatever with it. How do you make ingrain this in a kid's mind? I see teachers on fb posting all of the time with signs saying "I am from suchandsuch city and want to show my students how far the internet reaches, please share this." And it clearly shows once you put something online it is out there forever, for everyone to see.
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 21:47:01 GMT
There are some great commercials on TV here about kids texting and sending around a text that they shouldn't... it's a series of shots of the kids receiving the message/text/picture/whatever it is (we don't see it), laughing, and then sending it on. At the end, the kids are in the school office with a police officer. This has been a great way to talk about different aspects of texting and social media abuse with my tween/teen.
Having some difficult but honest discussions about these kinds of topics made it a lot easier to discuss the subject a few weeks ago when my daughter's grade 8 teacher emailed the class parents to say that "a significant number of children in the class were taking pictures of certain body parts and sharing them".
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Post by Nink on May 26, 2015 21:52:59 GMT
A couple of thoughts here that hopefully won't get me run off the board. It has seemed exceptionally vicious lately. As previously pointed out, how would the reactions be different if the Pea's child had been a girl and it was a boy always leading conversations down a sexual road and giving explicit instructions? Working on the assumption that the Pea knows her child better than any of us strangers do, what if the kid really is as/was as innocent as she claimed? And escalating after only 2 weeks? Why assume she's automatically wrong because the rest of us were apparently experimenting left and right by then? And if she is correct, doesn't this seem fast? I get that some peas are ok with relationships moving fast, clearly far faster than some of the rest of us, but wouldn't this send up red flags for anybody? If a boy was sending that stuff to a girl, a lot of us would flip. Why the double standard? Several peas pointed out that she was unjustly vilifying the girl and painting her as the scarlet woman or whatever. Is she? We don't know. We haven't seen the texts or talked to the boy or the girl to know. Yet some of us felt perfectly fine telling this woman she must be wrong and how dare she accuse the girl as if having a vagina gives the girl a special free pass. Is that how it's working now? Girls can't sexually harrass or assault? They are all pristine angels above reproach just by virtue of having the right body parts? Isn't that like saying all boys are _____ because they have male body parts? Someone help me here because I'm hoping I was wrong. I think part of what turned so many against her was that she brought her faith into it. No, her faith and lifestyle aren't necessarily her son's and she can't force them on him. But she can use them to set the rules of conduct and what's acceptable behavior or not, right? Or are we letting the kids run the show now? I think a parent has every right to be concerned when there kid is exhibiting potentially dangerous or life-altering behavior or seems to be in an undesirable relationship. When did "Kids have been doing it for years" or "They all do it" become acceptable excuses? What about all those school teams and frat rape cases lately? Would those excuses hold then? And honestly, just because "everybody" is doing it, or you did it, or MTV says it's okay, doesn't make it right or you (general you) right. If everyone was jumping off a bridge, would you? This was a sad situation all the way around. The boy may or may not be in over his head. The mom is grieving the loss of the little boy he was while scared of what's coming. Instead of offering insight or useful experience, some felt the need to pile on. I think we all can see that there's a great chance of this situation going badly. And some of us made it worse. Even if she had posted it as a PVM, as was suggested, you know that anyone wanting to speak their mind would've anyway. But what purpose did it serve really? I feel like we failed somehow. Speaking for myself, my reaction or my advice would not have been any different at all.
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Post by jumperhop on May 26, 2015 21:53:09 GMT
I think as women we forget how hard it is to go through these things for the first time. Our 3 year olds turned 15 over night and they are now sexual beings. It's hard! As women we should try and support each other more. But that's two peas for you. If your BFF came to you with this same problem would your approach be different?
And I agree Christine. Thanks for your advice. I often forget and need friends to steer me the right way. Jen
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Post by SabrinaP on May 26, 2015 21:54:31 GMT
Excellent suggestion. My oldest is 10. I'm going to talk to him. He currently has an iPad that he leaves in the living room to charge. We will be getting him s phone soon because he wants to start staying home for short periods on his own and we have no home phone. I really want him to understand his digital footprint is permanent!
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Post by Deleted on May 26, 2015 22:13:58 GMT
Hi Maybe we are diffrent, but it's never been a one time conversation. It's always been an ongoing conversation. Also remember, you can talk and talk and talk and lay out expecations, but sometimes a kid will try the limits regardless. Every families diffrent, but what kids don't realize is the internt/social media/chat apps hold information forever. Once it's out there it stays out there.Plus employers and scouts check everything on the internet.
My oldest got turned down for a job, because of her facebook page. It wasn't in line with the employers beliefs. She posted about gay marriage and legalization of Marijuana. Unofficially she was told that, the next day she closed her facebook account. Applied to diffrent agency, same postions and got the job.
The conversation needs to be an ongoing one.
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Post by *christine* on May 26, 2015 22:25:59 GMT
ITA Leowife - just suggesting that it's always a good time when you're not ripping your hair out about your teenager = calmer heads prevail and all that stuff our parents told us! lol
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Post by elaine on May 26, 2015 22:30:59 GMT
As I stated on the other threads - she actually started a second one, trying for different responses, I am guessing, I would have had the same reactions if the child was a daughter, because my issues are around: 1) witholding condoms from a sexually curious teen; and 2) lying about reading her child's texts and planning to continue to read them and lie about it.
Teenage pregnancy has even worse consequences for girls than boys, witholding information about and access to birth control from a teenage girl who you know is sexually curious from her sexting, is irresponsible parenting IMO, and begging to be a grandparent, let alone setting one's daughter up for STDs. And teenage girls have to be the ones to either have abortions or experience the "joys" of being pregnant in high school.
Lying to one's kids about snooping into their electronic communications is almost as bad as witholding birth control. There is hardly a better, quicker way to ruin any trust your teen might have in you, and also tells your teen it is a-okay to lie to one's parents. If the parent wants to maintain the right to monitor their teens' electronic communications, I have no issue with that, as long as it is publicly stated and up front.
I may be a bad person, but I'm not able to work up any regret for anything I said on either thread.
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