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Post by bearmom on May 28, 2015 13:21:45 GMT
I'm trying to keep up with several threads regarding teen's and texts.
We have a policy in our house that dh and I can read texts when we want, but we haven't in a really long time for older dd (probably 2+ years) and never (I think) for younger dd.
If you read them regularly, how do you get over the feeling that you are invading their privacy and intruding on personal conversations? Texting is now equivalent to talking on the phone when we (I) wete teens and I would have been very upset if my parents had listened to my phone conversations or listened outside my closed door at home. Same with my friends parents, reading dd's texts means I am now privy to dd's friend's personal thoughts. And the thought of my best friend's dad knowing what was going on in my home would have made me very upset and uncomfortable at thier house.
Just trying to work through the best way to keep dd safe while allowing her to grow and develop into a functional adult (hopefully well adjusted)......
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Post by gar on May 28, 2015 13:32:53 GMT
I don't think you really need to read them thoroughly. I can skim read or run my eye over a message and get the gist of the conversation without reading every word.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 28, 2015 13:33:31 GMT
I haven't read my kids' texts yet. Though I reserve the right to any time I want to.
I have always been up front and told them that I will only invade their privacy for their safety.
I'm not checking their texts to find out if they've kissed a boy or girl. I don't care what the latest gossip is. But if I think that they are having dangerous thoughts of self harm, then I will be checking.
I told them that since they know I can and will check, if I find texts saying they want to hurt themselves, I will take it as a call for help to me specifically and I will answer that call.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 28, 2015 13:42:10 GMT
I have never read either of my kid's texts. I think they know if I suspected that there was bad behavior afoot I would have zero compunction in asking for them to hand over their phones.
I said this on the other thread...one of the big things about parenting a teen (at least in my opinion) is trust on both sides. You have to learn to trust your kids, and your kids have to learn to trust you. Your parenting has to change from the absolutes of the kids younger years, to a style that allows them the freedom to learn life skills. The kid has to learn that you will allow them to do their own thing, with some guidance, but if and when you, the parent, steps in and says NO, you have their best interests in mind. I think this is why the veteran parents of teenagers always say "choose your battles wisely." You want, when you do say no, for those words to have weight and not be lost in a flurry of no's.
I think reading to just to read (and the implication is to catch the kid in question in some kind of bad behavior) is no way to earn your child's trust. Of course if there is a reason to suspect the bad behavior, rock on. Do the responsible parent thing and read the texts, take away the phone, ground the kid from even looking cross-eyed. But don't do it just because you can.
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Post by Gravity on May 28, 2015 13:45:51 GMT
I said this on the other thread...one of the big things about parenting a teen (at least in my opinion) is trust on both sides. You have to learn to trust your kids, and your kids have to learn to trust you. Your parenting has to change from the absolutes of the kids younger years, to a style that allows them the freedom to learn life skills. The kid has to learn that you will allow them to do their own thing, with some guidance, but if and when you, the parent, steps in and says NO, you have their best interests in mind. I think this is why the veteran parents of teenagers always say "choose your battles wisely." You want, when you do say no, for those words to have weight and not be lost in a flurry of no's. I think reading to just to read (and the implication is to catch the kid in question in some kind of bad behavior) is no way to earn your child's trust. Of course if there is a reason to suspect the bad behavior, rock on. Do the responsible parent thing and read the texts, take away the phone, ground the kid from even looking cross-eyed. But don't do it just because you can.
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Post by brina on May 28, 2015 13:55:19 GMT
I don't sneak read. I occasionally ask for their phone and skim things. When I was their age we had one phone in the house and it was mounted on the kitchen wall - yes, I would pull out to the end of the cord to try to get some privacy, but my mom could hear any conversation she chose to listen in on.
I respect their privacy to the extent that I will not enter their rooms without knocking and walk in on them in the shower, but at 15 and 12 it is my responsibility to keep them safe. I am the furthest thing from a helicopter mom - my boys have taken the CTA into Chicago and spent a day by themselves or with friends in the city. They have flown unattended. But yes, I will occasionally spot check that they are not doing anything stupid online.
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Post by bearmom on May 28, 2015 14:01:16 GMT
I have never read either of my kid's texts. I think they know if I suspected that there was bad behavior afoot I would have zero compunction in asking for them to hand over their phones. I said this on the other thread...one of the big things about parenting a teen (at least in my opinion) is trust on both sides. You have to learn to trust your kids, and your kids have to learn to trust you. Your parenting has to change from the absolutes of the kids younger years, to a style that allows them the freedom to learn life skills. The kid has to learn that you will allow them to do their own thing, with some guidance, but if and when you, the parent, steps in and says NO, you have their best interests in mind. I think this is why the veteran parents of teenagers always say "choose your battles wisely." You want, when you do say no, for those words to have weight and not be lost in a flurry of no's. I think reading to just to read (and the implication is to catch the kid in question in some kind of bad behavior) is no way to earn your child's trust. Of course if there is a reason to suspect the bad behavior, rock on. Do the responsible parent thing and read the texts, take away the phone, ground the kid from even looking cross-eyed. But don't do it just because you can. Thanks for your explanation. I think this is where dh and I are. Reading the other threads lead me to question this belief that we didn't need to be actively checking on a regular basis.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 14:07:29 GMT
I don't feel guilty for making my sons wear seat belts or bike helmets, for making sure they eat healthy foods and get enough sleep. I don't feel guilty for seeking medical treatment when it's needed.
I don't feel guilty for making them go to school and church.
I don't feel guilty for requiring regular bathing and generally respectful behavior.
I don't feel guilty for monitoring tech--use of games, social media, text messages, etc.
These are the marks of good parenting. Your well-being is my responsibility. I don't apologize for taking my responsibilities seriously.
You can have privacy when you are an adult and responsible for yourself.
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Post by bc2ca on May 28, 2015 14:29:20 GMT
I think reading to just to read (and the implication is to catch the kid in question in some kind of bad behavior) is no way to earn your child's trust. Of course if there is a reason to suspect the bad behavior, rock on. Do the responsible parent thing and read the texts, take away the phone, ground the kid from even looking cross-eyed. But don't do it just because you can. especially my bold above. If your kids is really doing something they don't want you to read, they will be deleting their texts as they go.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on May 28, 2015 14:33:52 GMT
I think it is important to have a handle on texts, social media. While I didn't consider it at the time, after hearing about kids who are bullied to the point they feel there is no other alternative than to take their life. Often it isn't face to face bullying the perpetrators use keyboard courage to break someone down.
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Post by amom23 on May 28, 2015 14:38:18 GMT
I've never read my kids texts. I guess I've just never felt the need to. I am "friends" with them on Facebook, Instagram, etc. so I see what they are posting.
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Post by Bitchy Rich on May 28, 2015 14:47:33 GMT
I've never read my kids texts. I guess I've just never felt the need to. I am "friends" with them on Facebook, Instagram, etc. so I see what they are posting. Unless they have you blocked on certain posts.
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Post by just PEAchy on May 28, 2015 14:52:18 GMT
I've read my daughters in the past. One of her supposed friends was texting really hateful things to her, so I was keeping check on things. It was one of those " we are best friends one day, I hate you the next" DD finally ended up blocking her. That was over a year ago and I haven't checked since, dd is now at a different school anyway and hardly texts.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 15:04:33 GMT
I have one DD with a phone; she's had it for 18 months now and I read her texts, FB messages, and other social media messaging on occasion. I don't read all of them, and often go months without looking at all. I don't think I'm spying on her, and I don't think I'm breaking her trust.
I read them to be aware of potential problems in her life. She also talks on the phone to her friends and in person, so it's not like she has no privacy at all. For those comparing texting to phone calls, did you grow up in a family where you had complete privacy on the phone? Because I did not. All phone calls took place with my mother sitting right beside me, often interjecting into the conversation. I had ZERO privacy in my life as a teenager -- which was annoying. So, my daughter already has an infinite more amount of privacy in her life than I ever did.
I also don't ever mention to her the things I read on her phone. I would only do so if there was an obvious problem.
Kids today have exposure to SO MUCH MORE than ever before, and not only do I need to worry about what my daughter is doing, more than that I need to worry about what other people/kids are doing.
So to answer you question about getting over the feeling of guilt: I DON'T, because I'm NOT GUILTY of doing anything wrong.
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Post by BoilerUp! on May 28, 2015 15:26:25 GMT
The rule in our house is that DH and I can read/view anything on their phones as we deem necessary at any time, with or without notice. My take is, I do not do it to invade or be nosey, there would be a reason/suspicion if I asked for them to hand it over. I have done so on a few occasions, and my kids know that is just the rules.
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Post by dreamer on May 28, 2015 15:28:36 GMT
Because I am their parent. I am NOT THEIR FRIEND! That comes later when they are older!
Because I pay for the phone and am responsible for the foolish things they may do in their life until they are out on their own.
I have 4 children. 2 older and grown and out on their own. We are now friends and have a lovely relationship.
We had open communication and as long as they are trust worthy there isn't a problem. When they prove they are not trustworthy then we have problems and clamp down.
Parents need to stop being afraid to parent their children. Oh, I may invade their privacy but they are 12, 13 etc! Be a Parent for pete's sake!
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Post by BoilerUp! on May 28, 2015 15:29:06 GMT
I've never read my kids texts. I guess I've just never felt the need to. I am "friends" with them on Facebook, Instagram, etc. so I see what they are posting. Not to sound snarky, but if your kids were doing something inappropriate, it wouldn't likely be on social media. It would be where they felt some privacy (texting).
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Post by giatocj on May 28, 2015 15:33:39 GMT
As soon as we got our grandson his phone and an iPad we told him straight up that it was our right and our responsibility, as his guardians, to monitor his texts, apps and on-line history. He is very much a rule follower, but I have no illusions about the fact that he is a 15 year old boy with all the 15 year old boy traits and idiosyncrasies . I have not recently looked at his texts, but I do check his apps and his history pretty frequently and have not come across anything horrible.
I will admit to the fact that my stomach did a triple salchow/triple toe loop combo when I saw him dropping f-bombs in a few texts I did look at early on, but again-he's a 15 year old boy who plays hockey and lacrosse and spends a lot of time in locker rooms. As long as he never uses that language with me, I'm not going to get all bent over it.
All in all, he is a wonderful kid who, so far, has not given us an ounce of trouble. I will continue to reserve the right to monitor his activity and for him, knowing that is enough to keep him on the straight and narrow. I am aware that that could change in the blink of an eye, but for now, we're pretty free range guardians and are proud of the young man he is becoming.
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Post by jeremysgirl on May 28, 2015 15:52:58 GMT
My kids know I reserve the right to at any time check on what they are doing. I can only think of two times when I felt I needed to check. One, my DD was messaging on facebook a boy who was 18. I checked to see if their conversation was inappropriate or leading to any sneaky behavior. I was concerned that he wasn't just her best friend's older brother's friend, but trying to get her to go out with him. She did nothing inappropriate. The second time, the school accused my DD of bullying a kid. I checked the facebook messages between her and the kid. The kid was pretty rotten to her, so she dished it back. I did punish her because I felt that she should not have been so unkind. But I did print the messages for the school so they could see the other child was just as much at fault as she was. Other than that, I haven't felt the need to check. When they give me reasons to, I will. But my kids have shown that they are pretty responsible so I don't need to scan their messages on a regular basis.
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Post by amom23 on May 28, 2015 15:56:33 GMT
I've never read my kids texts. I guess I've just never felt the need to. I am "friends" with them on Facebook, Instagram, etc. so I see what they are posting. Not to sound snarky, but if your kids were doing something inappropriate, it wouldn't likely be on social media. It would be where they felt some privacy (texting). If I felt something inappropriate was going on I would certainly check their phones, but to routinely check is not something I do. I also don't make them keep their bedroom doors open (not that they don't) nor do I follow them when they leave the house. DH and I try to have pretty open communication with our kids. We are really involved with their activities and do our best to spend time as a family. So far we've had pretty good kids, not perfect, but pretty good and our oldest is 22.
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Post by calgal08 on May 28, 2015 16:01:42 GMT
Because I am their parent. I am NOT THEIR FRIEND! That comes later when they are older! Because I pay for the phone and am responsible for the foolish things they may do in their life until they are out on their own.
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Post by freecharlie on May 28, 2015 16:26:04 GMT
I check in front of them. Both boys have had their own phones since they were 7, so they didn't care too much about privacy then. Now I check if they are hiding the phone or grades slip or another parent says they found something
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Post by LeaP on May 28, 2015 16:39:18 GMT
I look over my kids' (11 & 14) shoulders a lot. We have had number of discussions about how texting might as well be a billboard on the boulevard and they have been pretty careful. From Sarah*H thread, both girls are prone to duh-ness moments so I remind them frequently and point out inappropriate things their little buddies have posted. One 11 year old posted a picture of her torso with curse words (including cunt) written all over in black ink. In that case I showed them how to do screen grabs and told the girl's mother and the principal because I thought she needed help. I never sneak around. On the other hand, my 14 year old nearly died of shock when I checked out one of favorite YouTuber's book from the library. She had no idea I was listening to what she was watching. Yup, mom grew up when dinosaurs roamed the land and now lives in a virtual cave, NOT!
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Post by hop2 on May 28, 2015 16:42:42 GMT
I have not actually checked my children's texts. Although a rule of getting the phone on our plan was that we could ask them at any time to do so. We just never did. Never had a reason to. There was a scandal 2 years ago at my sons school over texting test questions but I asked my son if it involved him and it didn't and that was that.
My kids were for awhile convinced that I could see their texts on the phone companies website. I hadn't told them that they just assumed it when I asked things like 'why were you texting Jane last night at 11' though eventually they figured out that I can only see the activity and the phone numbers involved not the content of the text. Lol
However, nothing brought the point that texts are not private home as when one high profile case in court had the texts contents as evidence and it was leaked to the media. So the excerpts of texts were all on the evening news, not to mention all over the Internet. That had a huge impact of validating what I've told them all along that NOTHING they do on an electric device is ever private. Nothing. Ever. And they should only write what you would put on a sign and walk around with. If they've done something, anything on an electronic device it HAS left an electronic footprint ( fingerprint? ) somewhere and accessing it is only a warrant away. They really got that when that story was on the news.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 16:56:41 GMT
Right now, I just look to see who they are texting. They know I will check any time I want to and will do so at least twice a year unless I suspect I need to more. I don't have much to worry about right now as the majority of their texts are to each other, all 4 parents, and grandparents. I've told them not to text anything they wouldn't want me, Dad, or even grandma to see. So far, so good, but they're barely teens so we'll see how the next 5 years go.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 28, 2015 16:57:22 GMT
We have policy that it could happen, but have rarely done it. What I've seen has been so inane it made my head hurt.
My oldest did a really stupid, wrong, thing two years ago. With a group of his upstanding, varsity, church going, honor student, some Eagle Scout friends*. It could have turned out much worse and the consequences been much greater if timing had been different.
My spontaneous searches of backpacks and phone texts made us both weepy. Being a good parent can be as difficult as being a responsible child, but you've got to do it.
And to know when to trust again. Back to vague idea we will read them if we need to...
*i put these labels in because they are accurate. But also as a reminder how meaningless they can be. Good teens make bad decisions. They arent shielded by a halo of church or grade point. Slightly off topic, sorry for rambling...
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Post by genny on May 28, 2015 17:14:19 GMT
I have always had the rule in place since my kids got their cell phones in junior high school that I reserve the right to check their phones whenever I see fit as long as 1) I am paying the bill and 2) they are minors in my home (on the incredibly off chance that someone got a job and started paying their own bill, not happening BTW).
I have only checked their phones a couple of times, and it all was around a situation with DD and her boyfriend. In fact, my son knew all the details but didn't want to 'tell' on his sister, but he was worried about her. So he said 'have you checked my phone recently mom?'. It threw me off, but I finally got the gist of what he was telling me ( I *knew* something was wrong with her, but wasn't sure what). I learned all I need to from his conversations with DD's boyfriend. (this was the situation I posted about on the other thread) Which led me to check her phone…blah blah blah.
So yeah, I reserve the right but rarely have I used it.
Last weekend I asked DS (18) for his phone to show my sister a funny video he had taken at work of a dog he was taking care of (he works at a doggy daycare). He tossed it to me and said 'you remember the password right?'. Yep, I do. The fact that he so willingly handed it over made me feel completely comfortable not checking. Plus he's 18 now, so…I'm backing down with him on many things anyway. (not easy, btw)
DD is on the same cloud as I am, so every picture or screen shot she takes uploads to my photo stream. There are A LOT OF THEM. I raise my eyebrows now and again, but have seen nothing that sets my helicopter blades spinning yet. In fact, she has sent me screen shots of text conversations between her and others to get my input or advice on handling and argument or whatever. Sometimes I roll my eyes, sometimes I am surprised at some of the language that is used by some kids (even her sometimes), but I have to remind myself that she is letting me in, sharing with me and trusting me because she needs my help, not my judgement bc someone said shit or damn in a text.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 18:23:11 GMT
To me there is a lot of difference between a 13 year old teen, a 15 year old one and a 17-19 year old one. At 13 mine knew all communications were subject to being monitored in order to protect them from adult unscrupulous predators. But as they got older the monitoring was less often.
My goal was to raise people who reached their age of majority (18) and were competent adults. I had to protect myself and the rest of the family from illegal activities they might be engaged in, and weigh in on ethical/moral issues during the early teen years. But by the late teens I was only worried about the legal ramifications of their activities.
The choice to live a different moral code at that point was their choice. I think that is a place where most parents hit trouble; especially very religious parents. They want to dictate a 17-19 year olds moral code.
So, imo, monitor. But know WHY you are monitoring and keep your long term goals in mind of raising a self confident, self sustaining, competent adult. Being allowed to make mistakes, experience the pain of mistakes makes a youngster much more likely to seek advice of older wiser people who are willing to let them develop into their own being.
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Post by tiffanytwisted on May 28, 2015 19:14:26 GMT
Like others, mine have always known that I reserve the right to check at any time. I honestly don't remember doing it, but I could have, so I won't say that I haven't. For the first year they had Facebook, they were required not only to friend me, but to give me their password. And yes, I deleted more than one innappropriate comment from my older one's page. They also know that every time we have the computer serviced by my brother-in-law, he will be checking their history. Now that the older one is 19, I don't monitor him anymore. He pays for his own phone & data plan, so unless he does something horrendous, it's his business. Younger one is more into Skype than texting and sadly, that's harder to track. Once in a while I'll come up behind him & peek at the screen, just to keep him on his toes. Like voltagain said, I remind myself why I'm checking (very good point, btw!) and don't let myself get helicoptery when I see a swear word or two. Or five.
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Post by Deleted on May 28, 2015 20:30:08 GMT
We don't read them often. The rule is they can't ease them. At anytime we can look, but it's a far and few when we do.
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