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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 31, 2015 11:55:11 GMT
and I think the job is just too big.
We want to put a simple cement patio in our back yard. To do this we will need to remove some cement that is already there, remove a large bush and remove the landscaping rock that is already out there. The patio will be about 8X15. There is a slight slope from where the outer edge of where the patio will be to out house, so we will have to adjust for that. Obvioulsy we want it sloping away from our house just a touch.
DH feels we can do this by ourselves, to save some money. I just feel this is a much bigger job than he realizes. I have never done anything like this before. He helped his dad make a small patio and walkway years and years ago. His dad was much younger and in much better health at that time, so I am not sure how much help his dad will be now.
I love that he wants to do things for ourselves, but it makes me nervous when he wants to do a project this big. I said we need to totally research how to do it and prices before we do anything, and maybe get one quote of having someone else do it for us.
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Post by anxiousmom on May 31, 2015 11:58:28 GMT
I'd get the quote from someone else. This is the kind of project that ends up costing three times as much to do yourself. Tell him y'all will compromise and do the grunt work of clearing up the space, and then have the people pour the concrete. There is math involved and they will understand the tiny gradient require to slant the slab away from the house.
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Post by ellen on May 31, 2015 12:19:22 GMT
Get a bid for it. My husband spent many summers pouring concrete for his dad's company when he was younger. It's a lot of work and something that is pretty easy to screw up. Concrete work is not cheap and that's why so many people take it on as a do it yourself project. So many people end up with cracked or flaking concrete because they don't know what they are doing. That being said, there are a lot of people who do know how to do it and maybe they'd be willing to help you do it.
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Post by gsquaredmom on May 31, 2015 12:22:29 GMT
A large section of concrete next to the house should probably be left to the experts. It is not easy to get it right. It will be hard to get it to code. Your municipality may be very stringent. You will do the prep work anyway. Call someone to do the final prep and pour.
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Post by trainscrapper on May 31, 2015 12:32:52 GMT
My husband and I are Do It Yourselfer's (is that a word? LOL), we are remodeling the house he grew up in. Most of your cost comes in on paying for the labor as we all know. If we were taking on this project we would do all the demolition ourselves, get 2 or 3 estimates and then have the experts do it. The reason why? First getting the slope right to keep the water away from the house is probably the most important thing. Otherwise you will create more costs down the road. Also renting the equipment to pour the concrete is not cheap and I don't think he would want to mix it by hand because it probably wouldn't have the right consistency. But we would definitely do the demo ourselves.
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Post by anonrefugee on May 31, 2015 12:37:10 GMT
Without knowing your DH experience I wouldn't say it's hopeless. But it is much harder than it looks. Plus it's not easy to correct a mistake.
I wouldn't under estimate benefit of having pros remove old concrete. We had a small strip of deck removed last year. I thought we could save money if we had pros cut in small sections and we remove it .
DH did a quick calculation. Our small strip weighed over a ton. Between carrying it out of backyard, and then to dump, we decided it was easily worth the $$$ (200-300 I've forgotten) for them to carry it away. Plus it was done in a few hours, not all day like we would have taken.
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on May 31, 2015 12:37:24 GMT
I think an important question to ask yourselves is: Can you afford to have it fixed if you mess up?
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Post by CeeScraps on May 31, 2015 13:03:36 GMT
Get someone else to do it!
Years ago we had a pad and sidewalk poured and we leveled it. OMG....between the "beating" the concrete down, the heat and mosquitoes it was an experience that now I can say I've done it. Would I do it again..NOPE! There were 3 of us to beat/level the concrete. It's a job....pay someone unless you're in you're 20's and know what you're doing.
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Post by amom23 on May 31, 2015 13:14:12 GMT
My DH is the best do it yourselfer and even he hires concrete work done.
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Post by iowgirl on May 31, 2015 13:41:01 GMT
We do almost all of our own concrete work. We don't do walls or any foundation type work.
BUT - we do have equipment like tractors and come basic cement tools. You will have to factor in the rental cost of tools and equipment. You are going to probably need to rent something to break up the old concrete, a skid loader to pick it up (especially the big bush and landscape rock) and something that can haul away the concrete.
It might not be that much more to hire it done.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 14:00:22 GMT
My Dad poured nearly his entire driveway, the slab for his garages (yes, multiple garages), and more. I trust him to pour some for me. He knows enough contractors that he can do it himself for a fraction of the cost. However, he has told people if you have never done it before, even in small batches, you're better off hiring someone. He only does it because he gained experience long ago. When you factor in the removal of old concrete and bushes, you might just be better off hiring out part of the job.
Think about what you need to do: removal of old cement, removal of large bush, removal of landscaping rocks. How will you dispose of it? How large is that bush? How much dirt will you have to put back down to fill in the hole the bush is going to leave. Just what kind of landscaping rocks are we talking? Little pebbles (PITA!), medium sized rocks, or larger rocks? What are you going to do with it? You will need a dumpster or a trailer to put all this. There is a fee for a dumpster or rental costs for a trailer (if you don't have one or know one you can borrow) plus dumping fee. Then how are you going to break up the cement? Sledgehammer? That's back-breaking work. Jackhammer? Rental costs plus possible permits.
Then there's the actual costs of new cement. A yard of cement will not cover as much as you think. You can buy pre-mixed cement and a small pourer from some places. You will still need wood to frame it, stuff to level it, etc. Plus permits depending on your town's codes. I say research it all.
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Post by Darcy Collins on May 31, 2015 14:04:31 GMT
If you want a diy patio - put in pavers. A concrete patio is not a one man job.
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Post by gailoh on May 31, 2015 14:06:56 GMT
If it were us ...we would hire someone to do it...it is a big job and you want the mixture to be right as well
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Post by GiantsFan on May 31, 2015 14:47:31 GMT
You could probably do the ground prep and framing yourselves. The hard part would be getting it level with a correct slope. Get a bid and hire out.
DH and I are DIYers, and we probably wouldn't tackle a cement job.
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Post by Nink on May 31, 2015 15:02:43 GMT
I have a feeling this would be one of those projects you try to do yourself and in the end, have it done professionally anyway. Just have the pros do it right the first time.
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Post by rst on May 31, 2015 15:02:56 GMT
In our area, you'd also have to dig down 12 inches, level that, put in crushed rock, level and compact that, then pour your slab -- in addition to the breakdown of steps mentioned above.
Digging a level 12 inches down can be some hard work if you are doing it manually. For a contractor with a mini-dozer, it could be done in less than an hour, right after they removed the old slab, the bush and the rocks. I think I vote with getting a pro.
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Post by bdawnb on May 31, 2015 15:07:57 GMT
Hire hire hire!! And get good references. I watched my patio go in and it was a LOT more complicated than I imagined.
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Post by Deleted on May 31, 2015 16:06:33 GMT
You tube is a good friend.
Removing a bush is best done by you, because the cost is horrific if you have somebody do it. I usually flood them to get the ground nice and soft , much easier to pull out then.
A jack hammer is not expensive to rent and fun to use. I bet you can find a couple of high schoolers who can help you haul the stuff away.
The rest of the project. Watch videos.
FYI. We built our house ourselves. We have a cement house, we did all the prep work for the slab but had it poured because we wanted it done in one day. We poured the wall ourselves.
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Post by fiddlesticks on May 31, 2015 16:13:01 GMT
We just had a new driveway and sidewalk poured yesterday. After watching the crew for the past two days I almost feel like I should pay double what they quoted. The amount of hard, hard work they did. I don't regret hiring that out.
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Post by FurryP on May 31, 2015 17:29:54 GMT
Let's us know what he agrees to.
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Post by cindyupnorth on May 31, 2015 17:31:02 GMT
We did our own cement slab for our garage to be built on. It helps if your dh would have someone help him that knows what they are doing, but VERY do-able to DIY. You have to know how much rebar to put in the base, how to square it off with the frames, and grade of the slope. Ours turned out perfect. We had about a doz guys here in the AM, the cement truck delivered the mixed cement, and poured it in, and the guys leveled it out. They had to have the right tools and right boots to be in the cement.
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Post by ginacivey on May 31, 2015 17:33:27 GMT
do you have concrete forms? you can make do with two by fours....
i'd seriously just do the prep work...
i am in a family of concrete men...and it's not easy work...but very easy to screw up
gina
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Post by eebud on May 31, 2015 17:41:21 GMT
My DH handled the concrete patio at our lake house as well a concrete ramp into the shed. He rented a mixer to the major part of the work. You definitely don't want to mix individual bags by hand for that large of a project. The mixer he rented could handle mixing multiple bags at a time. He recently came back in and made the patio larger than he did the first time around. That time, he didn't rent a mixer and it was a beating to mix all of the bags individually. I think he used 2x4's or 2x6's for the forms.
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Post by rockymtnpea on May 31, 2015 18:36:00 GMT
My motto is 'everybody needs a job' and I am happy to pay them to do the job. The other problem with do it yourself stuff at our house is my husband becomes the supervisor and I am the employee...sure to cause an arguement EVERYTIME. ? And then there is the time spent on the project that 'won't take long.' No thanks...I am back to 'everybody needs a job' so that I can spend my free time doing what I want which isnt DIY projects. (Although I get that some love that)
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Post by purplebee on May 31, 2015 18:47:06 GMT
Dh and a neighbor did ours 20 years ago. But, they were both experienced cement finishers. Don't bite off more than you can chew, concrete is WAY too expensive to take a chance on messing up. Do the prep work, leave the rest to the experts. Temperature and humidity play a big part in how it is finished, you don't want it to crack after it's set.
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Post by bc2ca on May 31, 2015 19:14:40 GMT
My DH is the biggest DIYer, but even he contracted out the concrete patio. A slab that size is going to need the right preparation (including rebar) which you could do yourself. The pour and smoothing is not a two person job. We had 8-10 guys here on the day they were pouring the concrete.
I regret we didn't go with pavers.
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Post by tincin on May 31, 2015 20:03:32 GMT
I agree with the majority, this is most likely a job best left to the professionals. It is so easy to screw it up, the equipment you'll need to rent, the manhours of labor just prepping the area then having to level and grade the concrete. I would do a step or something by myself or with another person but just the two of you for a patio that size? You will likely be sorry you tried it.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on May 31, 2015 21:55:00 GMT
Thank you all. I was thinking I was being overly cautious not wanting to do this job. I think I will be making a few calls this week and get an estimate. I am not worried about the prep part. The bush is kind of big, but lots of manageable branches that can go right to the compost pile in town. The cement that needs to be removed is maybe 4X6 feet, if that, and it is not very thick. We could rent a jack hammer pretty cheap and have it broken up in no time. We have a place we can also haul that to ourselves so little cost there. The rock is river rock and we will just be moving that to the back of the house where we need to fill some in. It will be a lot of labor, but this part will actually save us some money since we need rock in other areas.
I just want to be sure that the water runs away from our house and a year from now it is not breaking up or cracking.
We did set some patio blocks a few years ago by ourselves for a small walkway and they are holding up very well. They are even still level and minimal grass growing between.
Thanks again ladies. I will let you know what we decide. This is one of a few jobs we need/want to get done in the near future.
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Post by sunraynnc on Jun 1, 2015 0:17:38 GMT
I'd tell him "we" nothing! Get some estimates.
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Post by smalltowngirlie on Jun 1, 2015 0:33:11 GMT
I told him I was going to call around and get estimates for a few projects around our house. We can then decide what and when we will do each one.
There are many things I like to do myself, home improvement projects are not one of them, but we save a lot of money.
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