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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 15:36:17 GMT
www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-chilling-molestation-confession-in-new-police-report-59752Seems there was another report floating around out there. I don't know why but this report coming to light makes me think about the beetlejuice scene when he was trying to stop the woman from saying his name. The got the first report destroyed. Bet they will do the same for this one. It does make me sad that we now know this happened at least seven times and he was 15 when he molested his 5 yr old sister. His parent protected him and allowed it to go on for a year! I dont think ignoring it will help. A mistake is one or two times. Not 7 times!!
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jun 3, 2015 15:43:13 GMT
There seems to me to be little point in getting these reports destroyed when they are circulating on the Internet.
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Post by stittsygirl on Jun 3, 2015 15:57:47 GMT
Less messily redacted and the timeline is easier to follow. I'm sure they didn't know this one was out there as well. I don't see anywhere in this report where it's indicated that the girls received counseling as well. And yes, this went beyond curiosity or a boyhood "mistake". I can't help but be concerned for his own children, or any under his care.
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Post by basketdiva on Jun 3, 2015 17:13:52 GMT
I read this concerning the release of the arrest reports " Freedom of Information (FOI) law in Arkansas states that the records of the arrest of a juvenile "shall remain confidential" and "shall not be subject to disclosure under the FOI."
Looks like the police erred in releasing the reports.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 17:14:57 GMT
I read this concerning the release of the arrest reports " Freedom of Information (FOI) law in Arkansas states that the records of the arrest of a juvenile "shall remain confidential" and "shall not be subject to disclosure under the FOI." Looks like the police erred in releasing the reports. He wasn't arrested. That's the difference from what I've read/heard. |
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 3, 2015 17:22:01 GMT
He wasn't a juvenile when these reports were made, his name is redacted because he was never charged correct?
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 3, 2015 17:26:52 GMT
I read this concerning the release of the arrest reports " Freedom of Information (FOI) law in Arkansas states that the records of the arrest of a juvenile "shall remain confidential" and "shall not be subject to disclosure under the FOI." Looks like the police erred in releasing the reports. But he wasn't arrested. I'm betting that its only confidential if there is a crime reported. This was just an investigation. (Just my .02 - and a hunch at that)
ETA: I'm just repeating - that's what I get for not reading all the way down...lol.
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 3, 2015 17:33:04 GMT
Jim Bob and Michelle could have been jailed for up to 6 years for allowing this to go on repeatedly. No wonder they did everything possible to sweep their crimes under the rug.
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Post by jumperhop on Jun 3, 2015 17:40:07 GMT
How can they be certain that this happened 7 times? Can a five year old recal this?
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 3, 2015 17:47:19 GMT
I hope they both burn in hell. WHO turns a blind eye to their child being molested???
Josh was reaching out for help - he knew what he was doing was wrong and confessed to his father 3(?) times? I guess they prayed about it.
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 3, 2015 17:47:40 GMT
How can they be certain that this happened 7 times? Can a five year old recal this? I believe 7xs are what he confessed to. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 17:52:45 GMT
It is also a misdemeanor in Arkansas if you are a mandated reporter and don't report child abuse that you are aware of. There are a lot of people who don't want these reports to come to light. Supposedly some of the church personnel who knew were mandated reporters, along with at least one State Trooper who knew, talked with Josh, but never wrote up or reported the incident.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 17:53:09 GMT
It's hard for me to understand why there is a statue of limitation for molestation. Especially when it happened repeatedly. His parents should BE in jail.
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Post by PolarGreen12 on Jun 3, 2015 17:59:45 GMT
You know the part to me that is Epically Effed up is?? That one or two(?) of these girls were his own sisters and they had to continue to live in the same house with him after he molested them! Can you imagine the psychological distubances this had to of caused them. Being around your attacker 24/7 and the parents who did nothing but a cover up.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 3, 2015 18:04:39 GMT
How can they be certain that this happened 7 times? Can a five year old recal this? Because it wasn't just a 5 year old, it was girls up to 12 maybe 14? And he admits to having done it that many times. |
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 3, 2015 18:06:30 GMT
You know the part to me that is Epically Effed up is?? That one or two(?) of these girls were his own sisters and they had to continue to live in the same house with him after he molested them! Can you imagine the psychological distubances this had to of caused them. Being around your attacker 24/7 and the parents who did nothing but a cover up. I think it was more than 2 of his sisters. There was one girl who was a family friend, weren't the other 4 his sisters? But yeah - exactly what you said. Those two (parents) are the scum of the earth as far as I'm concerned. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 18:12:39 GMT
To me it seems he got braver as time passed.
In the report it states that 4-5 times he went in while they were sleeping
Nest it was touching a friend of the family while they were sleeping.
Then it goes to touching the 5 yr old while she was awake on his lap
Then once more putting his hand up someones dress while in the laundry room.
My question is why did he feel it was OK to fondle them? It takes BALLS to just walk up to someone and put your hand up their dress without them screaming bloody murder!
My worry is that they were made to believe they were the cause of it. To some degree they may of been groomed by him. Why else go from doing it while they were sleeping to when they were awake?
I do not for one second believe that theses girls told their parents the existent of the molestation. I' m sure if they did they would be reprimanded for trying to get josh in trouble.
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Post by Peamac on Jun 3, 2015 18:18:51 GMT
... I don't see anywhere in this report where it's indicated that the girls received counseling as well. Would that information be in a police report? I'd think it would handled by a different person/group than the police, plus it would be confidential if they had gotten counselling. ETA- I read the linked article and see what you're saying- that the report specifically says they didn't get professional counselling. Hopefully they have since gotten help from a reliable counsellor! |
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 3, 2015 18:19:00 GMT
To me it seems he got braver as time passed. In the report it states that 4-5 times he went in while they were sleeping Nest it was touching a friend of the family while they were sleeping. Then it goes to touching the 5 yr old while she was awake on his lap Then once more putting his hand up someones dress while in the laundry room. My question is why did he feel it was OK to fondle them? It takes BALLS to just walk up to someone and put your hand up their dress without them screaming bloody murder! My worry is that they were made to believe they were the cause of it. To some degree they may of been groomed by him. Why else go from doing it while they were sleeping to when they were awake? I do not for one second believe that theses girls told their parents the existent of the molestation. I' m sure if they did they would be reprimanded for trying to get josh in trouble. Do you think things escalated because his parents didn't do anything when he would confess? Maybe in his mind that meant it was ok? |
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Post by Peamac on Jun 3, 2015 18:46:57 GMT
So, was this police report the result of Oprah's staff calling the authorities when they got the email before the Duggars were supposed to be on her show? It said they were in Chicago at the time, it was 2006, etc. Interesting.
I've seen somewhere a comment that explains some of the differing opinions about all this. The writer was saying that there's a difference between a committing a sin and breaking the law. Not all sins are illegal (lying to parents, not cleaning your room when told, etc). It could be that Michelle and JimBob (and probably the girls and Josh) saw this as a sin, not necessarily as something illegal (given his age at the time). They dealt with it as a sin- sent off to work, confess to church, talk to elders, ask forgiveness of sisters, etc. Reporting to the police would have been treating it as a crime, and they probably felt they had already done what was necessary. It would also explain why some people now say, "He confessed, they forgave, just leave it alone"- those are the ones thinking of it only as a sin (his age, so long ago, etc). Others say, "He should be jailed, take his kids away, he's a pervert"- those are the ones seeing it only as a crime.
I don't know if that's how it went down, but it does make sense that many would have a different view of the same offense.
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 18:48:54 GMT
... I don't see anywhere in this report where it's indicated that the girls received counseling as well. Would that information be in a police report? I'd think it would handled by a different person/group than the police, plus it would be confidential if they had gotten counselling. The counseling notes would be confidential, but any counselor seeing the girls would have to file a report to the police and/or Human Services. It would be mandatory, or the counselor would be committing a misdemeanor. So, if there was counseling, there should be a record of the report of the abuse. If there was counseling and no report, the counselor would be subject to criminal prosecution and would be punished by his or her professional licensing organization. |
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 18:57:16 GMT
So, was this police report the result of Oprah's staff calling the authorities when they got the email before the Duggars were supposed to be on her show? It said they were in Chicago at the time, it was 2006, etc. Interesting. I've seen somewhere a comment that explains some of the differing opinions about all this. The writer was saying that there's a difference between a committing a sin and breaking the law. Not all sins are illegal (lying to parents, not cleaning your room when told, etc). It could be that Michelle and JimBob (and probably the girls and Josh) saw this as a sin, not necessarily as something illegal (given his age at the time). They dealt with it as a sin- sent off to work, confess to church, talk to elders, ask forgiveness of sisters, etc. Reporting to the police would have been treating it as a crime, and they probably felt they had already done what was necessary. It would also explain why some people now say, "He confessed, they forgave, just leave it alone"- those are the ones thinking of it only as a sin (his age, so long ago, etc). Others say, "He should be jailed, take his kids away, he's a pervert"- those are the ones seeing it only as a crime. I don't know if that's how it went down, but it does make sense that many would have a different view of the same offense. One of the church elders involved is also an ordained minister and therefore a mandated reporter. He didn't have choice as to "how" to see the molestation (sin vs. crime), he HAD to report it regardless. Or commit a crime. |
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Post by LavenderLayoutLady on Jun 3, 2015 19:08:39 GMT
www.intouchweekly.com/posts/josh-duggar-chilling-molestation-confession-in-new-police-report-59752Seems there was another report floating around out there. I don't know why but this report coming to light makes me think about the beetlejuice scene when he was trying to stop the woman from saying his name. The got the first report destroyed. Bet they will do the same for this one. It does make me sad that we now know this happened at least seven times and he was 15 when he molested his 5 yr old sister. His parent protected him and allowed it to go on for a year! I dont think ignoring it will help. A mistake is one or two times. Not 7 times!! I mostly agree with you except for this: A mistake is one or two times. Not 7 times!!
No. Mis-spelling someone's name one or two times is a mistake. Molesting little girls as a teenager is a planned atrocity. |
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Post by Rhondito on Jun 3, 2015 19:09:09 GMT
So, was this police report the result of Oprah's staff calling the authorities when they got the email before the Duggars were supposed to be on her show? It said they were in Chicago at the time, it was 2006, etc. Interesting. I've seen somewhere a comment that explains some of the differing opinions about all this. The writer was saying that there's a difference between a committing a sin and breaking the law. Not all sins are illegal (lying to parents, not cleaning your room when told, etc). It could be that Michelle and JimBob (and probably the girls and Josh) saw this as a sin, not necessarily as something illegal (given his age at the time). They dealt with it as a sin- sent off to work, confess to church, talk to elders, ask forgiveness of sisters, etc. Reporting to the police would have been treating it as a crime, and they probably felt they had already done what was necessary. It would also explain why some people now say, "He confessed, they forgave, just leave it alone"- those are the ones thinking of it only as a sin (his age, so long ago, etc). Others say, "He should be jailed, take his kids away, he's a pervert"- those are the ones seeing it only as a crime. I don't know if that's how it went down, but it does make sense that many would have a different view of the same offense. I don't care how anybody tries to white-wash it, they knew it was wrong and illegal. I've said it before, they can't hide behind a christian flag and pray things away. God may have forgiven him but that doesn't make the crime go away. |
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 3, 2015 19:21:23 GMT
So, was this police report the result of Oprah's staff calling the authorities when they got the email before the Duggars were supposed to be on her show? It said they were in Chicago at the time, it was 2006, etc. Interesting. I've seen somewhere a comment that explains some of the differing opinions about all this. The writer was saying that there's a difference between a committing a sin and breaking the law. Not all sins are illegal (lying to parents, not cleaning your room when told, etc). It could be that Michelle and JimBob (and probably the girls and Josh) saw this as a sin, not necessarily as something illegal (given his age at the time). They dealt with it as a sin- sent off to work, confess to church, talk to elders, ask forgiveness of sisters, etc. Reporting to the police would have been treating it as a crime, and they probably felt they had already done what was necessary. It would also explain why some people now say, "He confessed, they forgave, just leave it alone"- those are the ones thinking of it only as a sin (his age, so long ago, etc). Others say, "He should be jailed, take his kids away, he's a pervert"- those are the ones seeing it only as a crime. I don't know if that's how it went down, but it does make sense that many would have a different view of the same offense. The thing is that molestation is a crime, it is also a sin but first and foremost regardless of your religious beliefs it is a crime. I could do something that could be considered a sin by a Christian person and it wouldn't necessarily be a crime but if I commit a crime by our laws it doesn't matter what my religious beliefs are. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 19:43:57 GMT
'One of the church elders involved is also an ordained minister and therefore a mandated reporter. He didn't have choice as to "how" to see the molestation (sin vs. crime), he HAD to report it regardless. Or commit a felony.'
I'm asking because I don't know-is it mandatory to report something told under 'the seal of confession' (and yes, I know they aren't Catholic-just can't think of another way to say it)?
For the record, I'm not defending anything the Duggars have done. I think it's vile.
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 19:49:33 GMT
'One of the church elders involved is also an ordained minister and therefore a mandated reporter. He didn't have choice as to "how" to see the molestation (sin vs. crime), he HAD to report it regardless. Or commit a felony.' I'm asking because I don't know-is it mandatory to report something told under 'the seal of confession' (and yes, I know they aren't Catholic-just can't think of another way to say it)? For the record, I'm not defending anything the Duggars have done. I think it's vile. In the state of Arkansas, Catholic Priests do not have to report things reported in confession, but other than that, yes, ordained clergy of all types must report suspected child abuse. Catholic Priests would also have to report it if they had reason to suspect child abuse that came from any situation other than a protected official confession. |
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Post by Deleted on Jun 3, 2015 19:51:16 GMT
Thank you, elaine. Interesting.
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Post by momof3pits on Jun 3, 2015 20:37:29 GMT
All I know is that I feel so horribly for those girls. First they are a victim of their brother. Then they get no help and are made to shoulder the blame by dressing fully at night. Finally, this all comes out in the media and they have to deal with the fallout of that.
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Post by Peamac on Jun 3, 2015 20:44:05 GMT
So, was this police report the result of Oprah's staff calling the authorities when they got the email before the Duggars were supposed to be on her show? It said they were in Chicago at the time, it was 2006, etc. Interesting. I've seen somewhere a comment that explains some of the differing opinions about all this. The writer was saying that there's a difference between a committing a sin and breaking the law. Not all sins are illegal (lying to parents, not cleaning your room when told, etc). It could be that Michelle and JimBob (and probably the girls and Josh) saw this as a sin, not necessarily as something illegal (given his age at the time). They dealt with it as a sin- sent off to work, confess to church, talk to elders, ask forgiveness of sisters, etc. Reporting to the police would have been treating it as a crime, and they probably felt they had already done what was necessary. It would also explain why some people now say, "He confessed, they forgave, just leave it alone"- those are the ones thinking of it only as a sin (his age, so long ago, etc). Others say, "He should be jailed, take his kids away, he's a pervert"- those are the ones seeing it only as a crime. I don't know if that's how it went down, but it does make sense that many would have a different view of the same offense. The thing is that molestation is a crime, it is also a sin but first and foremost regardless of your religious beliefs it is a crime. I could do something that could be considered a sin by a Christian person and it wouldn't necessarily be a crime but if I commit a crime by our laws it doesn't matter what my religious beliefs are. - I agree, I just said that it could be that b/c of his age at the time they didn't think of it as a crime. And b/c 4 of the 5 were his sisters. elaine- You're right- Do you know if pastors were mandated reporters at the time the Duggars went to him? I don't know when it became law or if each state is different. |
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