tduby1
Pearl Clutcher
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Post by tduby1 on Jun 3, 2015 21:59:29 GMT
'One of the church elders involved is also an ordained minister and therefore a mandated reporter. He didn't have choice as to "how" to see the molestation (sin vs. crime), he HAD to report it regardless. Or commit a felony.' I'm asking because I don't know-is it mandatory to report something told under 'the seal of confession' (and yes, I know they aren't Catholic-just can't think of another way to say it)? For the record, I'm not defending anything the Duggars have done. I think it's vile. In the state of Arkansas, Catholic Priests do not have to report things reported in confession, but other than that, yes, ordained clergy of all types must report suspected child abuse. Catholic Priests would also have to report it if they had reason to suspect child abuse that came from any situation other than a protected official confession. Why would Catholic confessions be protected but not confessions of other religions? Personally, I think they should be mandatory reporters.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 3, 2015 22:08:23 GMT
To me it seems he got braver as time passed. In the report it states that 4-5 times he went in while they were sleeping Nest it was touching a friend of the family while they were sleeping. Then it goes to touching the 5 yr old while she was awake on his lap Then once more putting his hand up someones dress while in the laundry room. My question is why did he feel it was OK to fondle them? It takes BALLS to just walk up to someone and put your hand up their dress without them screaming bloody murder! My worry is that they were made to believe they were the cause of it. To some degree they may of been groomed by him. Why else go from doing it while they were sleeping to when they were awake? I do not for one second believe that theses girls told their parents the existent of the molestation. I' m sure if they did they would be reprimanded for trying to get josh in trouble. sometimes your too shocked to scream. Sometimes your threatened. Sometimes the adults around you blame you so you learn to keep your mouth shut. If every responsible person around is going to blame and shame the victim it doesn't take any balls at all to do it. In fact it's really a cowardly thing to do.
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 22:21:55 GMT
The thing is that molestation is a crime, it is also a sin but first and foremost regardless of your religious beliefs it is a crime. I could do something that could be considered a sin by a Christian person and it wouldn't necessarily be a crime but if I commit a crime by our laws it doesn't matter what my religious beliefs are. apeacalledliz - I agree, I just said that it could be that b/c of his age at the time they didn't think of it as a crime. And b/c 4 of the 5 were his sisters. elaine- You're right- Do you know if pastors were mandated reporters at the time the Duggars went to him? I don't know when it became law or if each state is different. Most documents are current of course, but I've found one dated 2004 listing clergy as mandated reporters in Arkansas. link. I will continue to look around. Eta: Arkansas added clergy to its list of mandatory reporters in 2003. linkAlso, keep in mind that a State Trooper reportedly was told in 2003 and gave Josh a lecture, but never wrote up a report. LEO were mandated reporters also.
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Post by elaine on Jun 3, 2015 22:35:00 GMT
In the state of Arkansas, Catholic Priests do not have to report things reported in confession, but other than that, yes, ordained clergy of all types must report suspected child abuse. Catholic Priests would also have to report it if they had reason to suspect child abuse that came from any situation other than a protected official confession. Why would Catholic confessions be protected but not confessions of other religions? Personally, I think they should be mandatory reporters. I think that they are mandated reporters, just not what is reported after "forgive me father, for I have sinned...." I'm not one to argue the point with. I, personally, as a mandated reporter because I'm a psychologist and have to report abuse if people tell me during confidential sessions, with no exceptions, think clergy and priests should have to report no matter what, with no exceptions, also.
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jun 4, 2015 12:38:39 GMT
The thing is that molestation is a crime, it is also a sin but first and foremost regardless of your religious beliefs it is a crime. I could do something that could be considered a sin by a Christian person and it wouldn't necessarily be a crime but if I commit a crime by our laws it doesn't matter what my religious beliefs are. apeacalledliz - I agree, I just said that it could be that b/c of his age at the time they didn't think of it as a crime. And b/c 4 of the 5 were his sisters. elaine- You're right- Do you know if pastors were mandated reporters at the time the Duggars went to him? I don't know when it became law or if each state is different. That may be what they thought but it doesn't matter, ignorance of the law is not an excuse. And honestly what sane person living in our world today(even as sheltered as they are) doesn't realize it is against the law for a 14 year old boy to molest his sisters?
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