craftyho
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Post by craftyho on Jul 13, 2014 16:57:03 GMT
What's out there that's less costly?
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oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 13, 2014 17:10:48 GMT
What's out there that's less costly? There is Spectrum Noir. When SN first came out they did not get good reviews but the new generation ones are better from what I have heard. They are about 1/4 the price of Copics. At least here in Canada. I have not been using alcohol ink pens because there was no way I was going to pay the Copic prices but now I am considering the SN. I just have to decide if I would colour enough to make it worth my while.
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Post by luv2scrapaboutmykids on Jul 13, 2014 17:13:31 GMT
I also was going to say Spectrum Noir. I just bought some recently and love them. Copics are just too pricey considering I don't usually color but they were at Winners and I couldn't help myself.
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Post by SunnySmile on Jul 13, 2014 17:15:24 GMT
What about watercolor pencils? I'm sure they probably won't be as saturated as copics, but I've used them on card making with a water pen with success.
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 13, 2014 17:52:27 GMT
What about watercolor pencils? I'm sure they probably won't be as saturated as copics, but I've used them on card making with a water pen with success. I don't have watercolour pencils but do use watercolour paints and I use waterbased markers. But there is an intensity with the alcohol ink pens that I really like. I wouldn't use them for everything but some images just call for that kind of colour. And I like how they appear to blend. Yes, you can get the same sort of look with coloured pencils and gamosol, not sure about the difference in the learning curve between the two. I may add coloured pencils to my wish list. It never ends that list, it just doesn't
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Post by garcia5050 on Jul 13, 2014 18:25:26 GMT
I've placed a wait list order at markerpop.com for a new marker called a chameleon color tone marker. The reviews aren't super fantastic, but as a beginner, it's a good way for me to stick my toe in the water for a small investment. I saw video previews from CHA earlier this year. The problem is , I placed the order in April, with delivery scheduled for May. Then I got an email that the main creator passed away and the company wanted to delay rollout to make the product better,. Then I got another email in June that said delivery is now in August. If they push the date once more, I will probably cancel. But I like the premise that I can have a full rainbow for only 80 bucks. Marker pop is no longer allowing new wait list orders. But if you can wait until some time in August, I'll let you know if the markers are a flop or fantastic.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 13, 2014 19:57:43 GMT
Did Copics go up again in price? I seem to recall seeing them for $8 a marker. I got them a couple of years ago and got them for a lot less!
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Post by woodysbetty on Jul 13, 2014 21:46:10 GMT
How about watercolor pencils using gamsol to blend.....check out Jennifer mcguires blog.......
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Post by LauraTen on Jul 13, 2014 23:23:22 GMT
I love my Letraset Flexmarkers.
I sold my Copics (I had the Ciaos).
I got mine at carpe diem markers dot com.
They are big and hold a lot of ink and cost $2.79.
These are more popular in the UK as they are made there...
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Post by scrappyesq on Jul 14, 2014 0:51:25 GMT
I use pencils with Gamasol. As much as I love Copics I can't afford to invest in all of the colors I need.
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Post by SunnySmile on Jul 14, 2014 15:45:52 GMT
I use pencils with Gamasol. As much as I love Copics I can't afford to invest in all of the colors I need. What is gamasol? I have not heard of this...
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oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 14, 2014 16:22:24 GMT
I use pencils with Gamasol. As much as I love Copics I can't afford to invest in all of the colors I need. What is gamasol? I have not heard of this...I believe it is odourless mineral spirits.
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Post by skippet on Jul 14, 2014 18:38:50 GMT
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 14, 2014 19:35:29 GMT
Nice cards skippet.
Just about the time I was giving up decorative painting coloured pencils were becoming popular with that crowd. Several designers were switching to them. At the time I thought nah, I don't want another colouring system and more lessons/learning.
Now years later here I am considering two different systems. They are compatible though.
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Post by SunnySmile on Jul 15, 2014 16:54:41 GMT
Nice job on those cards! They actually look quite vibrant on my computer. That looks like a lot of work.
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Post by skippet on Jul 15, 2014 18:19:54 GMT
Thank you Old Crow & Sunny Smile. Colored Pencils & Gamsol/OMS is really quite fast & simple. It is much faster than water coloring. You can if you want to make it all time consuming & fancy, but why bother. The card with the cat did take some time, but that was because there were so many tiny little details. With the colored pencil technique, you just color a few lines around the edge of your image & when you use the OMS on the tip of a tortillon or blending stump, just pull the color toward the middle of the area in a brief strokes. That creates the variation in shading. It helps to use 2 colors of the same shade family. I use the darker color where shadows would be. I am incredibly untalented - (so much so, that I used to be excused to go to the library during art class). But the first time I tried this technique, I felt like I could make something nice. If you could try it, you would be amazed at the ease. I learned mostly by trial & error, but Gina K has a nice tutorial on it for beginners: www.youtube.com/watch?v=6O7rzECgc1g
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 15, 2014 18:55:46 GMT
Great tutorial. I think when I get back from vacation I will order some stuff to give it a try.
Yes, I did catch the proper spelling of Gamsol.
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Post by kkrenn on Jul 15, 2014 19:07:54 GMT
Stampin Up has come out with a line of alcohol markers that are really nice! You get 3 in a set and I think they are $12 for the set. You get dark, medium, and light of one color. I just picked up 3 sets and love love love them!!!!
Edited to add: They are called Blendabilities.
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 15, 2014 19:39:13 GMT
Unfortunately they are not refillable nor can you replace the nibs. That means every time a colour runs dry you have to buy a new set of three.
I would rather leave a smaller footprint.
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Post by meghanbrown on Jul 15, 2014 19:45:13 GMT
I bought an entire set of Touch Twin/Three markers from a Chinese Wholesale site in Feb and I LOVE these markers. Alcohol markers, just like Copics. I spent $135 with free shipping, and received 163 markers.
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oldcrow
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Post by oldcrow on Jul 15, 2014 19:47:25 GMT
I bought an entire set of Touch Twin/Three markers from a Chinese Wholesale site in Feb and I LOVE these markers. Alcohol markers, just like Copics. I spent $135 with free shipping, and received 163 markers. Are they refillable?
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Post by meghanbrown on Jul 15, 2014 19:52:12 GMT
I don't believe so, but for the price, I didn't think it would be a problem since they were less than $1 each.
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Post by tsabhira on Jul 18, 2014 4:30:54 GMT
When I started, I thought copics were way overpriced and got into watercolor brush markers (Tombows) instead. They were much cheaper individually and overall because you can mix colors easily and use a single marker for a whole range of tones. They're also really quick. OTOH, for copic-like coloring with Tombows, I pretty much have to emboss all of my images or they bleed once I get my water brush in there. That can be annoying! You could basically do the same thing with watercolor pencils or any watercolors, really, but Tombows keep the mess down and I have an easier time buying Tombows open stock than I do the really nice watercolor pencils. I did try Spectrum Noir markers and was very disappointed. I even bought the upgraded generation and the separate brush tips (which brings the price per marker up over ciaos), and they are nowhere near as nice as copics. The barrels were uncomfortable, and the brushes and colors just flat out don't blend as well. I was also disappointed that I couldn't buy the colors open stock; you're pretty much stuck with the color ranges they sell in bundles. To be fair, if you don't upgrade them with brush tips and you dutifully use your coupons at Joann's, they're very inexpensive and they are probably "good enough" and are certainly a good buy for their price compared to other non-brush alcohol markers. One thing I wanted to try was the Mepxy Alpha brush markers, which I understand to be the South Korean answer to Japan's copics. Blick has had them permanently on clearance for $1.69 for months now, and they apparently have brushes and blend nicely: www.dickblick.com/products/mepxy-brush-markers/Colored pencils are a pretty cheap alternative that give good results with more effort. I recently bought into a 48-pencil prismacolor set plus the stock gamsol/nibs kit and a kit with a blender and pencil extender for under $50 (I just watched Ebay for deals. I wanted polychromos pencils, but they were almost twice as much!). They're going to last a really long time, but I will say that they take a lot more time and skill than tombows and copics, so there is a tradeoff. (Other ladies above me say they're faster, though, so maybe it's all in what you're good at, and maybe I'm just bad at these. ) In the end, I figured out that you can get copic sketches online for not much more than $5 (ciaos for even less!), and I just started saving up and buying them slowly. They really are so nice to work with and make coloring a snap even if you're not all that good at coloring. The first thing I ever colored with my couple of test markers just sort of blew me away since I had no idea what I was doing and it still came out really nice. I also realized that you really, really do not need hundreds of copics to color stamps. I just sat down and planned it out and got a few colors in each of the color ranges, just enough to blend. Buying a huge set would just be a waste.
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Post by anniefb on Jul 18, 2014 6:41:28 GMT
I just buy my copics in small numbers as I can afford them. Some I've had for years and have never had to refill them but I think if you take into account the fact you can refill and replace nibs etc they're not a bad price in the end.
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Post by christine58 on Jul 19, 2014 11:06:12 GMT
What's out there that's less costly? I've yet to pay full price for any Copics. Michaels at one point had buy one get one, I've used 40% off coupons also. I don't have a lot but really need to use what I have. I see Stampin Up just came out with some Blendabilities ones...
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Post by sophiepea on Jul 19, 2014 19:30:21 GMT
I've got coloured pencils that I use with Gamsol, but I also have the Letraset Promarkers and Flexmarkers. They are much cheaper than Copics and come in a wide range of colours that blend easily together. Promarkers also have a fine nib attachment so you can get in to small spaces, sometimes this comes free, depending on where you purchase them from. They leave a much stronger colour and a smoother finish than pencils, so it depends on the finish that you are wanting. The Letraset products are easy for me to get as I live in the UK, but I do believe they ship internationally.
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Post by stampinisfun on Jul 19, 2014 22:41:37 GMT
I like Letraset Pro Maker. I buy them on Amazon and well as a Crafts Direct here in Minnesota.
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Post by evnimom on Jul 19, 2014 23:39:28 GMT
I love my copics and really disliked my Spetrum Noir markers. I gave all of my SN to a friend. I'll have to try Letraset Pro. I was also thinking that distress markers might be nice. I have a lot of pencils to use with gamsol but I like the marker look better.
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Post by tracylynn on Aug 1, 2014 5:49:15 GMT
I like my pencils with Gamsol as well. But I did just invest in some ShinHan markers - don't have them yet, and not sure they are much cheaper than copics but I never got on that train.
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Post by phoenixcov on Aug 1, 2014 12:13:02 GMT
I use Promarker pens. Non refillable but cheap, and you can get a converter thingy for spray painting. Have just invested in some Gelatos and they are great for water colouring or stamping with. Not really a fan of pencils.
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