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Post by mama2three on Jul 15, 2014 1:02:59 GMT
I'm sorry to hear that, what a bummer. I'm glad that your neighbour has agreed to replace the tree if it dies. Just make sure they replace it with as mature a tree as possible so you don't have to wait years for it to grow. This will be more expensive for them but so be it. Are they allowed to just cut them down? Where I live you have to get council approval to cut down any trees and it is virtually impossible to get that approval. Friends of mine tried to get approval to cut down some pine trees on the block they were building on but they were knocked back. Eventually they were allowed to cut down some of the trees on the proviso that they planted the same number of large trees within a certain time frame. Yep, I live in the Nanny state. ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) We don't live in an area with a HOA, but where we live it is also very difficult to get permission to remove trees. You have to be able to prove that it is dying or a danger due to leaning or something and you have to petition the town for a permit to remove the tree or get fined. (of course it's ok for the power company to go down the street and butcher the trees to "protect" their lines.
I'm sorry you're going through this. I love my trees
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Post by smokey2471 on Jul 15, 2014 1:22:47 GMT
That's awful but I'm glad they were nice about it.
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Post by njinkerbelle on Jul 15, 2014 6:48:33 GMT
Like the others that have posted I would get the opinion of another tree specialist. My concern would be the environmental impact of the chemical they used to kill the stumps. Is there residual chemical in the ground that might kill a newly planted tree?
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Post by Katiepotatie on Jul 15, 2014 7:55:22 GMT
What a mess! But I'm glad the neighbors are (so far) working with you. I'd also be concerned about other plants and having good soil conditions for your new tree.
Twice I've had neighbors kill my mature fence-lined plants because they Round-Upped against the fence. It sucks.
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Post by mallie on Jul 15, 2014 11:41:34 GMT
Geez, I can't get Roundup to kill an unwanted tiny bush at the corner of my house even when I spray and spray directly on and around it -- the leaves die, but it springs right back -- but spraying feet away killed your trees? Kind of boggles my mind, tbh.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Jul 15, 2014 15:27:51 GMT
Geez, I can't get Roundup to kill an unwanted tiny bush at the corner of my house even when I spray and spray directly on and around it -- the leaves die, but it springs right back -- but spraying feet away killed your trees? Kind of boggles my mind, tbh. My DH and I were talking last night about how it can be that the other stuff in our yard right by their tree stump isn't being affected but our tree is. We are still going to call a different company to come out to give their opinion. I am taking a picture every couple of days and we are still hoping that it won't be a total loss.
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Post by sunnyday on Jul 15, 2014 16:00:27 GMT
So sorry about the loss of your tree. About five years ago, the city was doing some major sewer work and took down about ten trees that lined our street. My daughter came out to see what was going on and cried the whole time. Personally, I was very sad to see them go as well. They were tall, beautiful, and added so much character to our street. Also, this spring, after the bitter cold winter, we lost our tree that flowers in the spring.
I think that there really is something special about a tree and it's really sad to see one go.
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Post by lindywholoveskids on Jul 15, 2014 16:04:23 GMT
that Roundup is nasty stuff. sorry to hear about your tree, but hopefully your neighbor will compensate you. Glad you are taking pictures. Yep, document everything including an agreement. could be you need it in writing. (Judge Judy has educated me)
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Post by Katiepotatie on Aug 23, 2014 8:47:18 GMT
Came across this again and was wondering how the tree was doing a month later.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Aug 23, 2014 12:45:37 GMT
fiddlesticks (If you're still around.) Several years ago, we lost a towering tree to disease, as did some neighbors. Because the trees were on the parkway, the city replaced them. For a fee, you could choose to get a taller, older tree, but the tree guys from the city actually recommended against it. My husband listened to the advice; a neighbor insisted the advice was wrong, and ordered a much taller tree than ours. My husband tended our new tree like a baby, and it SHOT up and soon overtook our neighbor's new tree. ![:rolleyes:](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/Ui47LhQw2NqWVWNNqtfM.jpg) I was really, really sad when we lost our tree. But after a few years, the shade came back. And ten years later, we have a tree that towers over our house and turns a beautiful color in the fall. Good luck.
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Post by jenn on Aug 24, 2014 5:16:12 GMT
bumping
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Post by miominmio on Aug 24, 2014 5:57:04 GMT
So your neighbor probably killed your tree intentionally? That s**ks! If it was me, I would go from "amicable" to "cold and distant".
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Post by fiddlesticks on Aug 24, 2014 6:09:56 GMT
So your neighbor probably killed your tree intentionally? That s**ks! If it was me, I would go from "amicable" to "cold and distant". It seems that way.... We are choosing not to spend the money for the soil testing because really it wouldn't change anything. The tree has to come down and the cynic in me says they were betting on the fact that we wouldn't replace the tree given its placement in the yard.
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Post by miominmio on Aug 24, 2014 6:12:34 GMT
So your neighbor probably killed your tree intentionally? That s**ks! If it was me, I would go from "amicable" to "cold and distant". It seems that way.... We are choosing not to spend the money for the soil testing because really it wouldn't change anything. The tree has to come down and the cynic in me says they were betting on the fact that we wouldn't replace the tree given its placement in the yard. I'm a cynic too, and I think you are right.
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Post by Lindarina on Aug 24, 2014 10:31:51 GMT
So your neighbor probably killed your tree intentionally? That s**ks! If it was me, I would go from "amicable" to "cold and distant". It seems that way.... We are choosing not to spend the money for the soil testing because really it wouldn't change anything. The tree has to come down and the cynic in me says they were betting on the fact that we wouldn't replace the tree given its placement in the yard. Can you put in something that would annoy them more than the tree? Like something with blinking lights, or a hideous ornament only visible to them? I would be very tempted to plant a new tree, just because ![:wink:](//storage.proboards.com/forum/images/smiley/wink.png)
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Post by cade387 on Aug 24, 2014 11:00:49 GMT
I'm confused. In the second update they said they would pay to have it removed and replaced but now they aren't? Did I miss why they changed their tune? I would raise hell just for that aspect of it, forget "distant". I would for sure be replacing it and taking them to court to pay me for it because you don't get to dictate what your neighbor does on their land and in this case they violated that
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Post by christine58 on Aug 24, 2014 11:15:10 GMT
They are paying for the removal right?
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Post by lovetodigi on Aug 24, 2014 12:22:13 GMT
I am sorry that you lost your tree. There are some really inconsiderate people out there and it is unfortunate when one of them ends up being your neighbor. They are kind of hard to ignore when they are that close, and what they do sometimes impacts those around them. If you diecide to plant another tree, or even bushes, I would have the soil tested to be sure that there is nothing left hanging around that could kill any new plants. (((HUG)))
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Post by missmiss on Aug 24, 2014 13:52:15 GMT
How can you prove the neighbor did anything? He took his trees out and dumped roundup around his stumps. So, you think he came into your yard and killed your trees? What would be his motive for killing the trees?
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Post by mallie on Aug 24, 2014 13:55:34 GMT
Thank you for updating. I was actually just thinking about you yesterday because I was using Round-up for the 2nd time on a stubborn native plant that keeps returning and I thought, "There is no way a spray of Round-Up killed an entire big tree in the next yard!" So sorry to hear the tree has to come out and that you can't trust your neighbors any more. ![:(](//storage.proboards.com/5645536/images/mYSUyHtG9Jrcmm_ydVcK.jpg)
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Post by GiantsFan on Aug 24, 2014 14:08:02 GMT
Thanks for the update. Sorry you lost your tree. Can you plant a smaller tree? We planted a smaller variety of a Japanese Maple under our bedroom window. it should only get 12-15 feet.
I would be civil but not friendly with the neighbors either.
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Post by iowgirl on Aug 24, 2014 14:13:54 GMT
Depending on the concentration it could be ready to replant in a week. If he bought the glyphosate at Walmart or some type of box store the concentration isn't that strong and the half life would be a relatively short amount of time - even as short as a day.
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Post by arielsmom on Aug 24, 2014 14:18:27 GMT
If there was something in the soil, it may affect whatever else you put there. For instance, salt dumped around a tree, will kill the tree, but the salt remains in the soil and will kill what ever else is planted. The contaminated soil needs to be removed and replaced.
Sorry that the tree died. Your neighbors sound like thoughtless people. It would be hard to maintain a relationship with them, if they did do it on purpose.
I'd be tempted to spring for the cost and have the testing done, so you know what happened. I'd also be billing the neighbor for the tree removal cost.
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Post by missmiss on Aug 24, 2014 14:34:39 GMT
Amazing how everyone is ready to say the neighbor is guilty yet no proof. Get the soil tested to see exactly what happened. If you don't then either give up on blaming the neighbor and stay friends or assume he is guilty with no proof. All because he took his trees down he is guilty.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Aug 24, 2014 16:17:30 GMT
I'm confused. In the second update they said they would pay to have it removed and replaced but now they aren't? Did I miss why they changed their tune? I would raise hell just for that aspect of it, forget "distant". I would for sure be replacing it and taking them to court to pay me for it because you don't get to dictate what your neighbor does on their land and in this case they violated that Sorry...they will be paying for the removal. We haven't talked to them recently but there is no way they aren't paying for it, if that means that we would have to take them to court. But I don't think it will come to that.
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Post by fiddlesticks on Aug 24, 2014 16:22:11 GMT
Amazing how everyone is ready to say the neighbor is guilty yet no proof. Get the soil tested to see exactly what happened. If you don't then either give up on blaming the neighbor and stay friends or assume he is guilty with no proof. All because he took his trees down he is guilty. missmiss, he admitted to dumping Roundup his tree which shared a root structure with ours so he is guilty. There is no question about that. We just don't think he was upfront about what it was he dumped. We could pay for the soil to be tested and we looked into that but the bottom line is the result is the same. The tree has to come down and we aren't going to put up another tree because it isn't worth the disruption which is what we think they were counting on. I wouldn't say we were ever "friends" and I can safely say it will probably stay that way. *edited for clarity
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Post by Basket1lady on Aug 24, 2014 16:47:06 GMT
Amazing how everyone is ready to say the neighbor is guilty yet no proof. Get the soil tested to see exactly what happened. If you don't then either give up on blaming the neighbor and stay friends or assume he is guilty with no proof. All because he took his trees down he is guilty. missmiss, he admitted to dumping Roundup on the tree so he is guilty. There is no question about that. We just don't think he was upfront about what it was he dumped. We could pay for the soil to be tested and we looked into that but the bottom line is the result is the same. The tree has to come down and we aren't going to put up another tree because it isn't worth the disruption which is what we think they were counting on. I wouldn't say we were ever "friends" and I can safely say it will probably stay that way. What disruption is there in planting a tree? I think it would be way easier than extending the retaining wall or adding a water feature (which would both me nice, though.) When they remove the tree, be sure to ask to have the stump removed. Go to a garden center and plant a tree in the old hole. Trees really aren't that expensive--at least the smaller ones are not. If you go with a more decorative tree, many of them grow quickly. Not "in a year it will be back to where we started", but quicker than you may think. But I would definitely have the soil tested to see if it will sustain a tree. Who knows what the neighbor dumped on the stump or if he did dump it around your trees. If may dissolve away quickly or it may still be in the ground. I hope you find some peace with this soon. I don't blame you one bit for being mad!
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Post by fiddlesticks on Aug 24, 2014 17:12:32 GMT
missmiss, he admitted to dumping Roundup on the tree so he is guilty. There is no question about that. We just don't think he was upfront about what it was he dumped. We could pay for the soil to be tested and we looked into that but the bottom line is the result is the same. The tree has to come down and we aren't going to put up another tree because it isn't worth the disruption which is what we think they were counting on. I wouldn't say we were ever "friends" and I can safely say it will probably stay that way. What disruption is there in planting a tree? I think it would be way easier than extending the retaining wall or adding a water feature (which would both me nice, though.) When they remove the tree, be sure to ask to have the stump removed. Go to a garden center and plant a tree in the old hole. Trees really aren't that expensive--at least the smaller ones are not. If you go with a more decorative tree, many of them grow quickly. Not "in a year it will be back to where we started", but quicker than you may think. But I would definitely have the soil tested to see if it will sustain a tree. Who knows what the neighbor dumped on the stump or if he did dump it around your trees. If may dissolve away quickly or it may still be in the ground. I hope you find some peace with this soon. I don't blame you one bit for being mad! Good point...no matter what we do it is going to be a "thing". Maybe I need to find out more about the removal process. They didn't have the stumps removed from their yard so I don't know what looks like. Does it cost significantly more? I hadn't even thought about the fact that they might be willing to pay for it to be cut down but not the stump removed since that is what they did. We don't want to pay for the soil testing. We looked into and it is more than we want to put into it. And we don't want to confront the neighbors and say they need to pay for it. Us saying we want them to pay for the soil testing is basically telling them we think they are liars, which is what we think but we don't want to go there. We just don't see what it would get us in the long run since I don't think either of us is moving anytime soon. So since we don't want to go there (and maybe we should...I don't know) we know we shouldn't plant another tree if we don't know what is in the soil. Maybe I will feel differently once the tree is gone. Maybe I need to get a little more gutsy....
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Post by Rachel on Aug 24, 2014 17:15:52 GMT
My DH and I were talking last night about how it can be that the other stuff in our yard right by their tree stump isn't being affected but our tree is. We are still going to call a different company to come out to give their opinion. I am taking a picture every couple of days and we are still hoping that it won't be a total loss. Did you ever figure this out?
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Post by raindancer on Aug 24, 2014 17:16:18 GMT
There is stuff to pour on a stump to kill it that is not supposed to bother the plants around it, but it just seems like round up, like others have said, would have killed their stuff too. Are you sure it's not a disease or something specifically for killing tree roots but not other stuff? (like you can buy weed killer that won't kill grass)
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