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Post by scrappyoutlaw on Jun 27, 2015 3:46:03 GMT
I'm going to fail the bar. Gulp. Everyone warned me I would get to this maniacal stage of frustration and feel like I was on a sinking ship. Well, I'm there, now what do I do? I still can't write an essay to save my life, I have MBE days that are decent, but then I have MBE days that are bad...REAL bad. I study a topic and feel great about it, next day I study the next topic and know nothing from the previous day. It's like my brain is doing a nightly dump, where is all this information supposed to fit in this tiny little head of mine? My state has abysmal pass rates (last go round for my school was 58% pass rate, wohoo!) I'm starting to shut down because of the frustration, and instead of studying I will go on pinterest because it makes me feel better. I know that's only making things worse. I'm here instead of studying, why am I here? I know I should be reading or writing, but I'm just so frustrated! Someone hold my hand, please, pull me back from this cliff. Gah!
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Post by mimima on Jun 27, 2015 3:50:11 GMT
Hugs. You've got this
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Post by M~ on Jun 27, 2015 3:53:55 GMT
Hey there!!
Ok. DEEP BREATHS.
Go out and buy yourself the drink of your choice.
STEP AWAY FROM THE BOOKS.
SLEEP.
Then go back and study.
Honestly, everyone gets to the point where everything sets them off into a panic. No matter how small. I had SUPER shitty MBE days and days when I thought I was super genius. Some days I performed dismally on the subjects I booked and wonderfully on the ones I didn't do so well in. And vice versa.
You aren't going to know every answer all of the time.
And that's ok.
You aren't going to know every answer on the test.
And that's ok.
Your prospective/current employer is not going to care whether you got a perfect score--they care that you passed.
Don't listen to bar horror stories (I will not tell you mine, BTW, and my bar exam story is awful).
You are smart, hardworking, disciplined, and dedicated. YOU CAN DO THIS.
It's just a test. That's it.
I hope you feel better soon!!! Just relax and trust me, a lot of your success depends on how well you can handle the test.
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Post by kate on Jun 27, 2015 3:57:13 GMT
Think of this as a practice round. Nearly half of your class is likely to fail - that should tell you there is Life After Failing the Bar. You pick yourself up, dust yourself off, and go the next time with some experience under your belt. I know it's not that simple, really - but do remember that, pass or fail, the sun WILL rise again. Good luck! When is the date?
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Post by Zee on Jun 27, 2015 4:00:04 GMT
I know nothing about the bar, but nurses feel like this when they get ready to take the NCLEX. You can do it! (I'm sure the bar is harder, but I'm trying to be supportive!)
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Post by k8smom on Jun 27, 2015 4:11:32 GMT
When your brain dumps like that, you're over studying. Sometimes it helps to record material on audio and listen to it again in a restful, quiet state... it helps the brain absorb without the stress. Also, be kind to yourself. What's the worst that can happen? You fail. So what, take it again. If your smart enough for law school, you can pass the bar. Here's wishing you well!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 5:04:10 GMT
Hey there!!
Ok. DEEP BREATHS.
Go out and buy yourself the drink of your choice.
STEP AWAY FROM THE BOOKS.
SLEEP.
Then go back and study.
Honestly, everyone gets to the point where everything sets them off into a panic. No matter how small. I had SUPER shitty MBE days and days when I thought I was super genius. Some days I performed dismally on the subjects I booked and wonderfully on the ones I didn't do so well in. And vice versa.
You aren't going to know every answer all of the time.
And that's ok.
You aren't going to know every answer on the test.
And that's ok.
Your prospective/current employer is not going to care whether you got a perfect score--they care that you passed.
Don't listen to bar horror stories (I will not tell you mine, BTW, and my bar exam story is awful).
You are smart, hardworking, disciplined, and dedicated. YOU CAN DO THIS.
It's just a test. That's it.
I hope you feel better soon!!! Just relax and trust me, a lot of your success depends on how well you can handle the test.
This. All of it. Stop. Sleep. Do at least 1 fun thing. Get back to work studying. Repeat as needed, likely frequently. You will be ok.
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Post by auntkelly on Jun 27, 2015 6:03:23 GMT
Been there, done that 28 years' ago and I felt the same way you are feeling right now.
If you could write good enough essays to get through law school, you can write good enough essays to pass the bar.
You can do this!
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Post by M in Carolina on Jun 27, 2015 6:09:51 GMT
I recently read a report about a scientific study that proved that those who studied days before an exam without pulling an allnighter and got good sleep everynight outperformed those who tried to cram study for the two or three days before the exam, and didn't get enough sleep.
You can't keep as much in your memory when you need sleep.
I've also read that chewing peppermint gum while you study and then chewing gum while you take a test helps the brain remember because there's another pathway to remembrance, smell. Smell is a powerful memory booster. Anytime I smell candles that have just been snuffed, it takes me back to the first church I went to as a child. There were large candles on each side of the pulpit, and they were lit before the sermon and snuffed out afterwards. I have some scarves of my grandmothers, and I keep them in a ziploc bag so they keep her smell. I've had the bag 20 years now, and the scarves still smell like her.--they're not anything I would wear, but anytime I sniff the scarves, I'm transported back to being a little girl again watching my grandmother get ready for church, putting on lipstick, and putting a scarf over her hair.
As for essays, there are some great tutorials, I'd try googling fundamentals of essays, or if you're more of a visual learner, see what's on youtube.
I was really good with essays and written work in high school and college. I think when students get higher up in their education, like grad work and post grad, that they feel like they have to be so much more superfluous with wording and sentence structure. I always would refer back to my English writing guide (it's been over 15 years ago, I can't remember which style I had to write in) and make sure each of my paragraphs were clear and more concise. I tend to write tons of complex, overly complicated sentences, and they can be a lot less clear.
I'm sure that the bar is going to be looking more at the content of your essays than your style, but knowing the fundamentals will help put your mind at ease.
Passing the bar is HARD. Very few pass the first time. All you have control over is doing your best. You're studying hard, and you're venting to us and seeking help. I think you're doing your best. It's ok if you don't pass. The world will not stop. You will become a lawyer at some point. Relax. The stress isn't good for you.
I have a lot of health problems because my birth mother tried to secretly abort me. Then her mother found out what she'd done, and my mother gave me up for adoption. I started getting very sick in college. I'm one of your average overachievers who even had the SATS to have a 21 credit load as a college freshman and still did all sorts of activities and did everything well.
Until that final year of college. I had so much pressure from my soon to be in-laws, and I already had put so much pressure on myself. I was also in denial about how sick I was. My parents wanted me to come home and rest. I didn't want to spend the 6 months until my wedding stuck at home with my mom. So I stayed at school, struggled through, and crashed second semester in late February.
A wonderful teacher who is now a dear friend, took me aside, and told me to keep my eye on what was important. I was getting married to the man that I had dated for 7 years. I hadn't come to school intent on finding "someone" to marry. My teacher reminded me how special the relationship I had with dh was. I needed to focus on my health and my life after school. If I kept stressing myself to the breaking point, I'd wind up without my health. She also counseled me to drop a few credits (I was taking 21 again, trying to graduate) I felt so much better with all that weight off me.
I didn't graduate with my class. I knew I wasn't going to at the beginning of the senior year. I didn't think I cared about marching with my class. I was having severe heart problems, and I just couldn't keep up the 21 credits both semesters so I would have enough credits to "march".
Not many people are taught that it's ok to fail. Even when you've done your VERY best and given your all and then some. We learn by our mistakes. We grow by our mistakes.
I was really upset at the graduation service, and I actually cried right through it. I then dried my tears, put on a happy face, and congratulated my friends. Then I saw them a month later for my wedding.
Dh and I have been married for 15 years. We have a wonderful life together. I have gotten much sicker and am disabled from MS and other autoimmune and neurological problems.
I worked at finishing my degree, but I had to stop school because my health got so bad. I'm actually glad that I don't have a degree from my college because they've been embroiled in a lot of controversy, and I'm very unhappy with what the school has become. I did work after I got married and had some remarkable jobs until I chose to stop.
We don't know how life will work out for us. We can just do our best, love those around us, take time to stop and smell the flowers, and take care of ourselves--like sleeping enough!
Hang in there. I really admire that you took the leap and went through law school and am about to take the bar exam. I wish you the best. I think you'll pass.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 27, 2015 10:16:22 GMT
When my niece was studying for the bar she gave her Mom all her Social Media Log ins... she changed the passwords, so my niece could't get in.
My niece figured she studied hours extra every day just because of that one thing. (My sister had a little fun too)
From my years as a teacher I would say your mindset is most important when taking a big test. You have to believe you can do it.
When I have to do something and I am lacking confidence... I look at myself in the mirror and say aloud, I got this.
You can do it!!!
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Post by BarbaraUK on Jun 27, 2015 10:16:27 GMT
Not a legal RPea but have seen and heard this from having 'kids' in University at Finals time. You can do it - move away from it for the moment and do something that you enjoy doing then go back to the studying refreshed and raring to go. Above all, have confidence in yourself that you can get through this and do everything needed - sending lots of good wishes and positive thoughts across 'the pond' for you.
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Post by christine58 on Jun 27, 2015 11:22:00 GMT
Our governor in the state of New York...FAILED the bar FOUR TIMES.....take a breath...take a break.
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Post by Loydene on Jun 27, 2015 14:24:12 GMT
Get enough sleep. Properly nourish your body. Then just try to accept the process -- it is a nightmare. I am not a "religious" person .. but I seriously considered bargaining with God (I didn't) ... but I did go to church. It didn't really help. I thought about screaming at a passing car that somehow inconvenienced me -- "don't you understand I'm studying for the Bar?!?!?!"
AS for an essay part -- jot down a quick little outline. Your brain triggers a bunch of thoughts at the beginning -- get those thoughts noted, then arrange them. The CONTENT is the most important -- how you express the content is certainly relevant - but the content is the most important. Let each section "go" after you finish it -- DO NOT OBSESS over what is already done. Our Bar exam was two days -- I played (relaxed) and rested overnight.
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Post by supersoda on Jun 27, 2015 15:36:55 GMT
You still have a month until the bar exam. A month! You should not be studying 24/7 at this point. And you definitely don't know everything yet. But you still have a month to learn it.
I did my Bar/Bri lectures in the morning and then studied about 4 hours a day up until the July 4th weekend. By then the lectures were over and I studied 8 hours a day. Like a job. I went to the library, studied, took a lunch break, studied, and when I was done, I was done. I spent my evenings with my kids and husband.
You absolutely need down time. You don't need a perfect score, you just need to pass. I burning yourself out a month ahead of time is not going to help you.
Of course, that's all easy to say, now that I've done it. I really do understand where you're out right now. Bar study was one of the most stressful times of my life. I was terrified that I would fail, having wasted the last 3 years of my life and more money than my house cost. I had stress dreams every night. I kept grinding holes in my night guard. But I passed. And if I hadn't it really wouldn't have been the end of the world.
Hang in there. Take breaks. Have fun where you can. It will all be over in a month.
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Post by sabrinae on Jun 27, 2015 15:44:12 GMT
Hey there!!
Ok. DEEP BREATHS.
Go out and buy yourself the drink of your choice.
STEP AWAY FROM THE BOOKS.
SLEEP.
Then go back and study.
Honestly, everyone gets to the point where everything sets them off into a panic. No matter how small. I had SUPER shitty MBE days and days when I thought I was super genius. Some days I performed dismally on the subjects I booked and wonderfully on the ones I didn't do so well in. And vice versa.
You aren't going to know every answer all of the time.
And that's ok.
You aren't going to know every answer on the test.
And that's ok.
Your prospective/current employer is not going to care whether you got a perfect score--they care that you passed.
Don't listen to bar horror stories (I will not tell you mine, BTW, and my bar exam story is awful).
You are smart, hardworking, disciplined, and dedicated. YOU CAN DO THIS.
It's just a test. That's it.
I hope you feel better soon!!! Just relax and trust me, a lot of your success depends on how well you can handle the test.
This. All of this. Relax and take a break. If you don't pass, it's not the end of the world. You can retake it even if that's not ideal. The more you can relax the better you'll do
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Post by PLurker on Jun 27, 2015 15:44:31 GMT
I no way near took a bar exam, but it sounds like you need a break. I find I could only study so long before no more could be absorbed without a break of down time. Needed time to process it all so far to go on.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on Jun 27, 2015 21:37:36 GMT
Thanks for the thoughtful words everyone, I'm doing my best to hang in there! Today is a nasty, windy, rainy day so I've been snuggled up under a blanket with my outlines feeling a bit better than I was last night. I decided to treat myself to some extra crim pro today, my favorite! I keep re-reading everyone's posts to help remind myself that everything I am going through is normal and just part of the awful process. supersoda I think you make a really good point. I am still in the middle of all the Barbri lectures and they are time consuming, once those are mostly over with is when I will have more time to really review and commit stuff to memory. I just wish time would slow down! Sleep may also be a factor, last week I starting having a hard time falling asleep which resulted in really bizarre waking/sleeping hours so I'm getting that back on track. Hopefully that will ease some stress? I have an amazing support system at home and also here, thanks for the uplifting words when I needed them most. If I have another meltdown I will be sure to come back here for reminders that this too shall pass.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 22:27:12 GMT
I'm not a legal pea but just wanted to wish you luck! I'm sure you got this!!!
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 22:32:26 GMT
Get some exercise!! Outside when the weather allows. Yoga or something inside when not. Eat real food (not all junk) and eat regularly. We're not kidding about the breaks - critical!! (without an outline in your hand or on your phone)
Seriously, girl. Make these things part of the study plan. Your brain will thank you.
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Post by Really Red on Jun 28, 2015 1:55:54 GMT
Start each day off with a list. YOu can make it a weekly list or a daily list. Put ALL your worries, your studying and your jobs on that list. It really does make it easier to tackle.
Give yourself a break time. Make your tasks doable - don't write STudy for 3 hours. Write study chapter 2. Take practice test. THose are two jobs. YOu may have a ton of jobs, but making them manageable is helpful.
Good luck! you can do it!!
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Post by txdancermom on Jun 28, 2015 2:18:48 GMT
You. Can. Do. This.
keep repeating that - you will be able to do this.
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 28, 2015 4:35:22 GMT
I taught for BarBri as a side job for a while, and here is what I am going to tell you.
1. Treat studying like a job. You do it during work hours. Then you go to the gym, eat a good dinner, and get a good night of sleep. This is a marathon, and the bar is largely a test of endurance.
2. You are trying to pass the bar. Not trying to master the law for the purpose of practicing it in each of these areas. I will tell you that every year, when I would look at the multiple choice questions in the area that I taught, I would yell at the test, because some of the right answers weren't right, but if I stopped trying to be nuanced, I could see what the "right" answer was. Being an expert in a field is a hindrance, in other words, to being able to quickly see what the bar wanted from me. There is an efficient level of understanding to achieve. Don't pressure yourself too much.
3. Practice the essays. Write them out in real time. You'll feel a lot more comfortable on the exam.
I'm a law prof and I will tell you, I have two groups of students who fail the bar. Students who don't put in the work, and students who knew before ever sitting for the bar that they had issues (test anxiety, consistent poor performance in law school classes) that were going to make passing the bar tough. It isn't literally the case that no one else fails, and my law school has a higher first-time pass rate than what you are quoting, but, honestly, do the work, get your sleep, get your practice in, and try to stay chill.
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Post by vspindler on Jun 28, 2015 13:47:24 GMT
Not a legal Pea but I am a CPA from the days of the two day exam (now you can spread the sections out because it is computerized). I understand your stress but you have been given some good advice here so far.
I do want to reiterate one thing. Sleep is VERY important and if you are not sleeping well it will cause you to be more anxious. Make it a priority.
Best of luck to you!
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Post by Scrapbrat on Jun 28, 2015 23:17:59 GMT
I will tell you my story. I went to a private law school so I knew I would have some trouble with the state part of the exam. I had to learn all of that material one own, as part of bar review. I was also working while I did bar review, but I thought things were going okay. Then I took the actual exam. I had to take it in a different city so I had a hotel room and stayed over between days. When I got home, I was a mess. I told my DH that I had certainly failed, and we needed to figure out what to do. A couple of months of hand-wringing, cold sweats, etc. end result: I passed, and I've pretty much never thought about the bar exam again.
Study hard. You will pass.
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Post by scrappyoutlaw on Jun 29, 2015 16:27:41 GMT
I taught for BarBri as a side job for a while, and here is what I am going to tell you. 1. Treat studying like a job. You do it during work hours. Then you go to the gym, eat a good dinner, and get a good night of sleep. This is a marathon, and the bar is largely a test of endurance. 2. You are trying to pass the bar. Not trying to master the law for the purpose of practicing it in each of these areas. I will tell you that every year, when I would look at the multiple choice questions in the area that I taught, I would yell at the test, because some of the right answers weren't right, but if I stopped trying to be nuanced, I could see what the "right" answer was. Being an expert in a field is a hindrance, in other words, to being able to quickly see what the bar wanted from me. There is an efficient level of understanding to achieve. Don't pressure yourself too much. 3. Practice the essays. Write them out in real time. You'll feel a lot more comfortable on the exam. I'm a law prof and I will tell you, I have two groups of students who fail the bar. Students who don't put in the work, and students who knew before ever sitting for the bar that they had issues (test anxiety, consistent poor performance in law school classes) that were going to make passing the bar tough. It isn't literally the case that no one else fails, and my law school has a higher first-time pass rate than what you are quoting, but, honestly, do the work, get your sleep, get your practice in, and try to stay chill. This makes me feel much better, thanks for sharing your insights. I did want to ask about your third point, you say to keep writing essays. I have been, but I find even after four weeks I don't seem to be improving. I often cannot remember the tests or elements completely, and I am worried about that. I sense improvement on the MBE, but they essays are not coming along. Should I just keep at it, or is there something I can do to improve my studying?
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 29, 2015 16:41:52 GMT
I taught for BarBri as a side job for a while, and here is what I am going to tell you. 1. Treat studying like a job. You do it during work hours. Then you go to the gym, eat a good dinner, and get a good night of sleep. This is a marathon, and the bar is largely a test of endurance. 2. You are trying to pass the bar. Not trying to master the law for the purpose of practicing it in each of these areas. I will tell you that every year, when I would look at the multiple choice questions in the area that I taught, I would yell at the test, because some of the right answers weren't right, but if I stopped trying to be nuanced, I could see what the "right" answer was. Being an expert in a field is a hindrance, in other words, to being able to quickly see what the bar wanted from me. There is an efficient level of understanding to achieve. Don't pressure yourself too much. 3. Practice the essays. Write them out in real time. You'll feel a lot more comfortable on the exam. I'm a law prof and I will tell you, I have two groups of students who fail the bar. Students who don't put in the work, and students who knew before ever sitting for the bar that they had issues (test anxiety, consistent poor performance in law school classes) that were going to make passing the bar tough. It isn't literally the case that no one else fails, and my law school has a higher first-time pass rate than what you are quoting, but, honestly, do the work, get your sleep, get your practice in, and try to stay chill. This makes me feel much better, thanks for sharing your insights. I did want to ask about your third point, you say to keep writing essays. I have been, but I find even after four weeks I don't seem to be improving. I often cannot remember the tests or elements completely, and I am worried about that. I sense improvement on the MBE, but they essays are not coming along. Should I just keep at it, or is there something I can do to improve my studying? The writing is about comfort more than anything. People who don't write until they are taking the exam often end up really intimidated by having to write things out, they then freak out, and they then write the functional equivalent of legal corned beef hash. If you are used to writing the essays, that won't happen to you. The only general tip I have is to think of the essays as cash registers -- basically, you're trying to keep hitting keys and making money come out. I only did lectures for Barbri, so I don't know what sort of essay support services the bar prep organizations offer, but if yours has some, see if they can read a few of your essays and give you tips. Also, if your law school has an academic support person or persons, contact them; a lot of law schools have a great deal riding on their bar passage rates, and if they can offer some tailored advice on your essays, I am willing to bet they will (and you haven't waited until the last minute, so they are more likely to be willing to offer help now).
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Post by Montannie on Jun 29, 2015 17:02:55 GMT
Get your hands on some practice exams, and work on those. It helps you get a feel for how the MBE is written.
I agree that if you can write essay tests in law school -- and I assume you've done that -- you can write well enough for the bar exam. You don't have to get the high "A."
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Post by papersilly on Jun 29, 2015 17:59:50 GMT
you can do this. my dad took the California Bar when he was already in his 50's. it's one of the hardest Bar exams in the country. many high profile people have taken it more than once before passing, my dad too (not the high profile but the passing part). but he did it. my brother did it. others have done it and so will you. this is the culmination of your hard work and study. you can do this.
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