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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 14:07:38 GMT
This morning, I checked my FB feed and saw that my cousin's wife (tin foil hat far right) posted a comment on the Brietbart page. Pretty much knowing what it was going to be, I clicked on it anyway.
It seems people that oppose the SC decision yesterday are upset that the White House was lit up with the colors of the rainbow.
Now before you say too bad and tough shit...let me continue.
I read a thread last night about how "in your face" we have become as a nation and agreed with much of the discussion on that thread.
Obama commented after the decision...which I felt was absolutely appropriate.
But was it really necessary to light up the White House to celebrate? That White House represents all of us...the entire nation...even those that do not agree with the decision the SC made yesterday.
And even though I'm still thrilled with the decision yesterday, that action seems too bold, too in your face and should not have been done.
Now before you think I'm feeling sorry for those unhappy with this decision, let me say that I doubt those unhappy ever felt any remorse for all of the people in this nation that were not legally allowed to marry the person they loved. So fair is fair...hurt feelings are hurt feelings...tit for tat and all that.
The last numbers I heard in regards to support for same sex marriage was in the 60/40 range...with 60% being in favor. So the tables are turning...attitudes are changing for sure. Is it fast enough? No...but it's happening. I think as a nation we'd do much better to gain support by showing love and understanding and less by trying to beat it over someone else's head.
Which leads me to something else I thought of this morning.
Back in the early 2000's, I got to know the gay man that plays piano for our church choir. It was my relationship with him that really got me to where I am today in my comfort with homosexuals. A year or two later, I was part of a small Bible study group. Our group was together for a few years working on the "Disciple" Bible study series. I got to know him even better and as a bonus, got to know his partner. We'd go to their house, socialize, talk, laugh, joke, and of course work on our study. Those two men are some of the best people I knew...and their relationship was better in many ways than my own "God sanctioned" marriage.
My point in sharing this story is this...when I met them, I wasn't necessarily against same sex marriage...but I most certainly wasn't in favor of it. I was pretty apathetic. It didn't affect me...so frankly...I'd never given it much thought. But by seeing them...knowing them...and even knowing their relationship and being comfortable with them each as individuals and as a couple, they were able to show me, based on their example of their love, commitment and daily life that they were no different than I was. (but actually...they were both BETTER human beings than I was)
I've not been to church in a few years...so I've kind of lost touch with most people in the church. I'm reaching out to him today to tell him how happy I am for him and his partner and let them both know what a blessing they've both been to me. I am really glad I had them in my life. If they touched me in that way, I'm certain that their example of love and the way they've lived their lives is an example to many, many others.
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Post by cropduster on Jun 27, 2015 14:27:35 GMT
When I saw pictures of the WH lit up, my first thought was "Great! More fodder for Fox News." But then I think that it is very pretty and wish it would stay there. Many of of the committed gay couples I know are better examples of what a good marriage is than many heterosexual couples. And the Christian gays I know live more by the fruit of the Spirit than many of my Christian brothers and sisters out there. Looking through my FB news feed, I can see I will have to cull my friend list. Which is sad.
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Post by myshelly on Jun 27, 2015 14:27:53 GMT
I think gay people have felt unrepresented by our nation and by our government for YEARS. Decades.
So I don't understand or agree with your argument that the White House represents everyone and shouldn't have done this bc some don't agree with it.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 27, 2015 14:30:20 GMT
I think this is different.
I think there is a problem with in your face hate. But I am all for celebration! The posts I have seen are not YaY we won you lost.
They are all about Love and inclusion!
I think when its," You're a bigot or a racist if you think XYZ" Or "You're going to hell if you believe in XYZ" that is in your face and unnecessary.
I support the 2nd Amendment, or I support Marriage equality, is okay.
I love the White House lit up
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 14:33:00 GMT
Yes I think it was appropriate. I don't see any issue with it at all. It's about equality and equal rights.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 27, 2015 14:33:02 GMT
But was it really necessary to light up the White House to celebrate? That White House represents all of us...the entire nation... ------ I say yes! It was necessary, because now ALL OF US have the right to marry and be treated as equals in the eyes of the law.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jun 27, 2015 14:42:30 GMT
I really loved Niagara Falls. Absolutely gorgeous!
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Post by pjaye on Jun 27, 2015 14:50:54 GMT
It absolutely, positively annoys me too - but only because it is happening in your country and not in mine! I know I've gone on about this before, but seriously Australia should have been one of the first to sanction same sex marriage. We had an unmarried, childless, female Prime Minister who did F all about this. Our current PM has a lesbian sister, and he's still not budging. The Australian public is so ready for this and our main politicians are living in the ice age. Anyone want to trade ALL of our previous Prime Ministers for your one Obama? And yes, I'll be up and cheering when our parliament house is FINALLY covered in rainbow lights.
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Post by moveablefeast on Jun 27, 2015 14:52:34 GMT
I can only speak for myself, but I loved it. I saw it as the White House saying that it supported the SC decision. I loved that a group of people who has historically had to fight so hard for visibility got a moment where they could hear - your government supports you. At last.
Two thumbs up from me.
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Post by TheOtherMeg on Jun 27, 2015 14:56:37 GMT
The White House has a big party for Easter, and there are many Americans who are not Christian.
I think rainbow lights to celebrate the fact that all American adults can now marry the one they love is pretty low-key in comparison.
(ETA We're not Christian, but we have an egg/basket hunt. I'm fully aware that the whole bunnies and eggs thing isn't actually Christian in origin, but it has become part of the symbolism of Easter, at least in the US. So the White House having an egg hunt is still celebrating Easter.)
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Post by katybee on Jun 27, 2015 14:58:28 GMT
It was not an "in your face" to people who oppose the ruling. It was a celebration for those that DO support the ruling, but more importantly, it was a celebration for those who will finally be allowed to get married after years and years of struggle. It was a celebration of LOVE.
Those who think it was an "in your face" directed at them need to realize that not everything is about THEM. Let people celebrate and be happy for a minute or two.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 15:03:01 GMT
The White House has a big party for Easter, and there are many Americans who are not Christian. I think rainbow lights to celebrate the fact that all American adults can now marry the one they love is pretty low-key in comparison. I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right in regards to the celebration of Easter (and Christmas...although you didn't mention Christmas) and there are plenty of Americans that don't celebrate religious holidays/observances either.
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Post by AmeliaBloomer on Jun 27, 2015 15:15:17 GMT
I hadn't thought of it that way, but you're right in regards to the celebration of Easter (and Christmas...although you didn't mention Christmas) and there are plenty of Americans that don't celebrate religious holidays/observances either. As I read your OP, I thought of the WH Christmas tree lighting, and Easter egg hunt...but I see you've already gotten there. There have probably also been other outside displays (it would be interesting to see a list) and people who have objected to each. This is not directed at you, but my first thought was also that many of the people upset with the display would be the same people who would complain the loudest if the White House discontinued the Christmas tree.
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Post by penny on Jun 27, 2015 15:20:45 GMT
I don't think anyone should dim their light - whether it be an idea, intelligence, or celebration for a hard won change, just because other may not like it... If you felt like you 'lost', then be a gracious 'looser' and allow the 'winner' the full enjoyment of their victory... There's a big different between someone celebrating their victory and someone celebrating someone else's loss... The lights were to celebrate a victory, not to celebrate that the other side lost...
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Post by scrappinghappy on Jun 27, 2015 15:50:25 GMT
I'm Ok with it. It was a celebration of one decision by the US Supreme Court for all people.
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Post by Crack-a-lackin on Jun 27, 2015 15:57:29 GMT
It's interesting... I'm straight but I always think of the rainbow as a symbol of including everyone. One of the colors represents me, one my lesbian friends, one my gay coworker, one a transgendered person, etc. So I think the lights on the White House did represent all of us.
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Post by AnastasiaBeaverhausn on Jun 27, 2015 16:00:53 GMT
But was it really necessary to light up the White House to celebrate? That White House represents all of us...the entire nation...even those that do not agree with the decision the SC made yesterday.
IMO, yes. The White House isn't non-partisan. I think if the Supreme Court building did that then I might agree with you - that building should remain non-partisan. (BTW, I read SC as South Carolina after being in the news so much. Too me forever to understand what decision South Carolina made yesterday! I'm a wee bit tired!)
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:13:12 GMT
I think it only feels like "in your face" when you don't agree with the decision; to the rest of the rational world, it feels like celebration.
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Post by lindas on Jun 27, 2015 16:22:31 GMT
Guess I'm going to be the one descender on this, I think it was inappropriate.
If the decision had gone the other way would you support the White House showing a display in favor of that?
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Post by epeanymous on Jun 27, 2015 16:26:07 GMT
It's a celebration of inclusion at a time when we are making history.
I don't think that there is a comparable symbol for race-based civil rights, but I imagine that, in retrospect, we wouldn't expect the White House not to celebrate Supreme Court decisions ordering schools to be desegregated or interracial marriage to be permitted because there were people (and, I mean, a lot of people, who reacted much more strongly and decisively than I expect people will react here) who vehemently disagreed with the Supreme Court decisions.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 16:26:37 GMT
Guess I'm going to be the one descender on this, I think it was inappropriate. If the decision had gone the other way would you support the White House showing a display in favor of that? What would that look like? Every other day until yesterday I suppose. Shrug.
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Post by padresfan619 on Jun 27, 2015 16:29:21 GMT
I can't think of a symbol that encompasses the heterosexual portion of this country, so I doubt the White House would light any thing up if the decision had gone the other way. The rainbow flag is a symbol for the entire LGBTQIA commumity, A stands for allies, those are straight people who support equal rights for the LGBTQI community.
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Post by MsKnit on Jun 27, 2015 16:37:10 GMT
I hadn't seen that, so I googled.
Beautiful and appropriate.
I am thrilled for those who are now able to marry and have equal protection under the law. It was way over due.
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Post by Skypea on Jun 27, 2015 16:52:43 GMT
Guess I'm going to be the one descender on this, I think it was inappropriate. If the decision had gone the other way would you support the White House showing a display in favor of that? I agree. But then DBO is all about 'in your face' to those who oppose him. He does it on a regular basis. and he's ok with attacking the SC if he doesn't like their ruling.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 17:00:38 GMT
It didn't bother me. I didn't care for the photoshopped picture of the Supreme Court justices wearing black and colors of the flag.
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Post by Ellie on Jun 27, 2015 17:00:52 GMT
They are all about Love and inclusion! I love the White House lit up I agree!!
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Post by kimmie75 on Jun 27, 2015 17:15:24 GMT
Love it and think the celebration is fab. I also can't wait until that Confederate Flag is taken down and there will be another celebration.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 27, 2015 17:17:11 GMT
It didn't bother me. I didn't care for the photoshopped picture of the Supreme Court justices wearing black and colors of the flag. I thought it was great. I was surprised the White House went rainbow but I'm glad they did.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 27, 2015 17:24:12 GMT
Guess I'm going to be the one descender on this, I think it was inappropriate. If the decision had gone the other way would you support the White House showing a display in favor of that? I agree. But then DBO is all about 'in your face' to those who oppose him. He does it on a regular basis. and he's ok with attacking the SC if he doesn't like their ruling. Huh? What is DBO? I guess you are referring to the President of the United States... can you provide a source documenting his attack of the Supreme Court?
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Post by pb on Jun 27, 2015 18:11:57 GMT
Thank you for sharing your story. It is beautiful and I am happy for your friends.
My favorite pictures from yesterday was of the first gay couple to we'd in Dallas. In their eighties and looking as pleased as punch to be able to celebrate their commitment to each other.
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