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Post by eversograceful1 on Jun 29, 2015 17:39:46 GMT
DD (7) is interested in the arts... all of them. She is exposed to them all at school, has participated in drama performances, is taking drama camp. Anyway, she will be taking piano lessons and wants to take vocal lessons. My mom said that it would be a waste of money b/c she will naturally learn from music class. Our music class includes instruments and singing. I was thinking that the voice is a muscle that needs to be trained. I'd appreciate your input ?
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Post by Regina Phalange on Jun 29, 2015 17:43:51 GMT
I can only speak from experience. My brother majored in Theater Arts in college. He had a decent voice. He sang a lot in his classes, but WOW the difference when he started taking voice lessons. I remembered one break he came home and I thought he had put in the Les Miz soundtrack but it turns out it was HIM singing the song! I couldn't believe the difference!
ETA: I missed that she is only 7. You might want to wait until she is a bit older, but you can still find workshops and camps and stuff that will help her.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 17:46:01 GMT
Are vocal lessons worth it? Yes! But I'm not sure about the worth for a 7 year old. **I'd** be inclined at that age to let her more general music ed be enough for now since it does have a vocal element to it. Then if she is still interested at 11-13 amp it up.
But I also confess to not wanting my kids in too many activities at one time because I didn't want to spend my life ferrying her around and waiting. So for me, piano lessons and theatre camp would have to be enough.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 17:49:42 GMT
If you're on the fence, I think that at 7 years old the piano lessons may be a good introduction to the world and language of music. Being able to read music will be really helpful when she gets older. I don't know if it's too early for voice lessons. I know that most wind instruments start a little later than that because the little fingers can't play the full-sized instrument. If you don't mind paying for them, then go right ahead.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 17:50:33 GMT
My dds are 7 and 9, and have been taking piano and voice lessons since they were 6. Our voice teacher does not "train" the child's voice the way she might with an older, post-puberty child. She says at this age, it's about having fun, learning new songs, how to perform, how to project, etc. Most of her younger students sing songs from musicals or Disney movies. Once they are older, she begins teaching things like breath control, diction, etc.
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Post by hennybutton on Jun 29, 2015 17:55:02 GMT
My daughter took voice lessons for many years. It was definitely worth it. It's not just about the singing, it's great for self-confidence, breath control, and enunciation.
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Post by jtmom on Jun 29, 2015 18:30:07 GMT
I think lessons are definetly worth it. My DS had been in chorus for 3 years and about 6 drama productions before he said he wanted lessons so he had exposure but the lessons took his voice to the next level. Not sure at her age unless its just an extra activity to put her in for fun I would wait.
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Post by kate on Jun 29, 2015 19:24:41 GMT
Seven is a bit young. If you've got money to burn, it can be a fun activity, and with a good teacher (i.e. one who knows how to work with young voices - very important!), she will probably learn some things. A good children's chorus would be a healthy supplement to general music class. Those kids learn the basics of breath support, diction, musicianship, etc. Usually I recommend piano lessons to elementary-age kids who are interested in singing, but I see you've got that covered. Twelve is about the earliest I would recommend serious singing lessons.
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Post by mommaho on Jun 29, 2015 19:32:01 GMT
Could you check with her music teacher at school to see if she might suggest something. While I agree that 7 is young, my 27 year old daughter started performing at 5 (as Gretl in Sound of Music in the High School Play) and she just loved it. Her music teacher at the time would do after school lessons and had fun ways to teach breathing and diction.
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 29, 2015 19:41:58 GMT
My dd (15) is in a performing choir. Her director feels very strongly that they should not start taking vocal lessons until they are older. He's pretty adamant that a good vocal coach won't start working with girls until they are approximately 13 and would tell you to run away from anyone that works with younger girls. That's just his opinion, although he's very highly respected in his field.
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 29, 2015 19:47:38 GMT
My dd did sing in her elementary school choir and was in countless musicals before she joined her performing choir. She has always had a good ear and will memorize songs instead of learning to read the sheet music. She wishes she was better at sight reading and solfege. I would focus on looking for opportunities for her to perform and sing in public (school plays, recitals, etc.) and hold off on lessons until she's older. Keep up the music lessons so she can learn to sight read.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 29, 2015 20:09:29 GMT
With the right teacher, absolutely.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jun 30, 2015 5:02:41 GMT
We are thinking about this for our DD as well, but will wait until she is older for formal lessons as others have recommended. In the meantime, we both encourage her to sing casually whenever she wants to (she's 5) and will seek out other musical avenues such as theater, etc. for her to pursue if she wants to once she's a little bit older. My niece switched to voice lessons after taking piano lessons for years and it really helped her quite a bit.
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Post by peppermintpatty on Jun 30, 2015 11:18:57 GMT
No. She will not get anything from a school teacher. The right teacher will show them how to breathe and everything else that goes along with it. My best friend is a mezzo soprano and also a voice teacher with a degree in elementary education. She doesn't teach but has and she knows full well the lack of real instruction the kids get in school. Proper breathing is everything and if a teacher has 20 some kids to teach, she isn't focusing on your dd.
Make sure you find one that has come highly recommended. My dd took lessons for years and her voice is amazing and it wouldn't have happened if she didn't have my bff as a coach. You also need to make sure that the teacher specializes in children. They sing differently and you can mess up their voices if you don't teach them properly.
My dd started in 5th grade.
The comment about teachers not teaching that young, yes, that is true. They are hard to find. Most teachers won't touch children under the age of 12 or 13. They are out there but hard to find.
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Post by Merge on Jun 30, 2015 12:04:47 GMT
Speaking as an elementary music educator and choir director with a master's degree in voice performance - no, she should not be taking voice lessons at 7. She is better off in a children's choir setting until around 12 or 13, and she absolutely will learn a lot about good vocal technique both in music class and from a good choir director. She should be learning to produce a light, clear tone using her head voice. She should be learning the beginnings of proper breath support. She should be learning to sight read pitches and rhythms, and she should be learning music theory. If she's not learning those things in music class and choir, your teacher isn't doing her job.
If my child wasn't a getting high-quality choir experience at school, I'd look for a children's chorus in my city that was focusing on good quality literature and vocal training. Not necessarily a church choir but a very few do have excellent music training programs. Once she is a little older and the vocal mechanism is a little more mature, then you still need to make sure you're working with someone who has experience working with young voices. Look for recommendations from your choir director, not necessarily other parents.
ETA: the voice is not a muscle. Your diaphragm and intercostal muscles, among others, control breath and do need to be trained and strengthened, but the vocal folds themselves are not a muscle. At age 7 they're still very immature and need to be treated gently.
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Post by eversograceful1 on Jun 30, 2015 12:37:13 GMT
Thank you all. I had a feeling she was too young. Her school has an outstanding music program. The teacher is teaching her all of the things Merge mentioned above so that makes me feel better.
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Post by pierkiss on Jun 30, 2015 14:52:57 GMT
Absolutely they are worth it if she is serious about singing. My niece has been heavy into musical theater for at least the past 5 years, if not longer. She's been taking voice lessons for I think 3 years now and she has improved DRAMATICALLY.
When we moved back here I hadn't heard her sing in several years. And everyone has always said, "oh, she's so great, just wait until you hear her.", etc. But truthfully, before when they said that and I had listened, I wasn't that impressed. I actually thought to myself, "kid you are wasting your time". (I never said it out loud though, just so we're clear!). But then I heard her last year and I was absolutely blown away!!! The strength of her voice is awesome!!! And she can hit these notes and it is just so gorgeous! I have no doubt that the vocal lessons had TONS to do with that growth.
I don't know that if start at 7 though. It just seems really young. I think my niece started when she was 10-11? Not 100% on that. She's 14 now.
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Post by holly on Jun 30, 2015 14:56:34 GMT
I totally recommend a children's choir to supplement school choir. My DD had an awesome elementary music teacher (teaching for over 30 years) but my DD wanted more in 5th grade. So she joined a children's choir in our city. It has been great for her. She has learned a lot more than what she's learned at school. They teach them how to properly sing, how to read music, theory. And the biggest thing for my DD is that the kids WANT to be there, unlike school choir. They get scolded for messing around too much. When it's time to sing, they sing. This will be her 3rd year there and she's loving it. In fact they are getting back today from a trip to Ireland! She's 14 now so maybe in a couple years we will look into a voice coach just to help make her voice stronger. In her choir they aren't allowed to "belt it out" as that can damage the vocal cords. So although she can hit some high notes, it's not like you'd hear on singing shows on TV where young kids try to sound like Whitney Houston at 10yrs old.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 15:08:25 GMT
My husband has a college degree in Vocal Performance. You should ask for a private consult w a vocal coach. There are varying opinions on when to start...as you can see.
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jun 30, 2015 17:25:13 GMT
My daughter started voice lessons just over a year ago... she was 11 when she started. The difference is amazing. She is in a musical theatre program and had a group voice lesson as part of it.. as well as doing 3-4 shows per year.
Her voice teacher will teach the younger students but she believes that often people will push a young child with a strong voice out of their vocal range which can do more harm than good. When they start young she likes to teach them piano and voice together because she thinks learning to read music is as important as working on your voice.
She lets the students lead what they want to learn.
What ever you decide to do... I think that letting your child lead with what they want to do.. and make sure they are having fun.
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Post by pridemom on Jun 30, 2015 20:41:19 GMT
I studied voice and vocal pedagogy in college. Singing is great, but voice lessons should wait until they're 14. You can ruin a young voice if you push it too hard. She can sing with childrens choirs and learn her basic music theory now, she can use that for life.
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Post by kath323 on Jun 30, 2015 23:28:06 GMT
Choirs are the best thing for her now for sure. I started voice lessons when I was 14 and stuck with it for 13 years. I've watched tapes of myself from 8th grade before I took lessons and I can't listen-they're horrible. A good teacher brings out the best in a voice and the difference is remarkable.
I adored my teacher and consider her the best therapist I've ever had!! She always says singing keeps you young and this year she turned 94.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 1, 2015 1:39:13 GMT
I was a vocal performance major and currently work with a professional children's choir.
I would never suggest vocal lessons for a 7-year-old.
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