momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jun 30, 2015 0:34:54 GMT
ds is 18, just graduated, just started a new job. Anything I ask seems to be met with a why do I need to know type thing. Can you let me know your hours (so I know who might show up for dinner...) Where are you going tonight? All met with an attitude like he thinks i'm being nosey Partly I ask what he's up to just making conversation. I try to remember that my parents rarely knew where I was. He won't be going away to college nor will most of his friends so I will enjoy this for a long time to come I think. And I think it's weird to me because my older ds is still great at checking in. Last week around 10 pm he texted me he forgot to mention he'd be going out after work and would be late. Love that kid!
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Post by christine58 on Jun 30, 2015 0:39:02 GMT
I say leave it be...if he's not home for dinner--oh well. Is he paying rent?? And if he's not going to college, what are his long term plans??
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Post by caro on Jun 30, 2015 0:40:38 GMT
I say leave it be...if he's not home for dinner--oh well. Is he paying rent?? And if he's not going to college, what are his long term plans?? That.
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Post by elaine on Jun 30, 2015 0:40:45 GMT
Given he is going to be living at home while he is an adult, it is fair to have a house meeting with everyone in the house and explain that you appreciate knowing each day if they plan to be home for dinner and why ( that you want to plan) and any other general house rules you feel like discussing, such as cleaning the bathroom, laundry, etc.
Your house, so it isn't too much to ask for some basic courtesies.
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Post by perumbula on Jun 30, 2015 0:43:56 GMT
My mother instilled in my the idea that the people you are living with have a right to know where you are. When you are married, you expect to know what your spouse is up to, a general idea anyway. It's not about control. It's about respect for others and their time and care.
You can talk to him and tell him it's not about him still being "the child" but about members in a household knowing each others' schedule so they can plan and know what to expect. You can model this behavior by letting him know where you'll be (general idea anyway) and approximately how long you'll be gone. My family discusses our schedule for the week around the dinner table on Sunday evenings. It works for us. If you are sharing with him, it will make him be more willing to share with you. he'll see it as a matter of equals communicating instead of his mom still trying to keep tabs on him.
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momto4kiddos
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Post by momto4kiddos on Jun 30, 2015 0:48:01 GMT
I think a conversation about respect will happen so that he's clear on it. He doesn't pay me anything because he'll be going to college, just a local community college. My thought on that is if you get decent grades and work enough to cover your expenses i'm good. He owns a car and pays all the expenses towards it.
And funny thing now thinking about it perumbula's post about communicating....he often will come in and ask where his sister or someone is. So he likes to know things about others, but isn't into communicating about himself, lol.
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Post by freecharlie on Jun 30, 2015 0:50:35 GMT
I'm pretty sure my mom knew my schedule and I had to let her know if I wasn't coming home at all. I worked mostly through dinner so that wasn't an issue.
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Post by Nicole in TX on Jun 30, 2015 0:53:44 GMT
I always tell my DH, "So you know where to start looking for my body." Tongue in cheek, of course, but just so he knows what I am up to.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jun 30, 2015 0:58:02 GMT
My mother instilled in my the idea that the people you are living with have a right to know where you are. When you are married, you expect to know what your spouse is up to, a general idea anyway. It's not about control. It's about respect for others and their time and care. You can talk to him and tell him it's not about him still being "the child" but about members in a household knowing each others' schedule so they can plan and know what to expect. You can model this behavior by letting him know where you'll be (general idea anyway) and approximately how long you'll be gone. My family discusses our schedule for the week around the dinner table on Sunday evenings. It works for us. If you are sharing with him, it will make him be more willing to share with you. he'll see it as a matter of equals communicating instead of his mom still trying to keep tabs on him. This is what we did. With my oldest, it was hit or miss though. He was 18 and still in high school (late birthday) and felt like he should have all the freedom of 18 without the responsibility of 18. He felt like any inquiry into his whereabouts or what he had been up to was an invasion of his privacy...even if this questions were simply asked as part of random conversation. It drove me insane. No explaining to him that as members of a household it was just a matter of respect to give a brief 'hey, I am...will be back at...' The younger son was doing the same thing. But recently he has started coming around. A couple of weeks ago I ran up to the grocery store and told him I would be back in about 30 minutes. It was one of those times when every aisle had a friend to chat with, the lines were long and the whole trip took twice as long as it normally would. Funny kid texted me at about 45 minutes to check and make sure I was okay. Long and short of it is that I don't think it is every kid, but there are some that take the whole turning 18, I am now an adult and don't have to answer to anyone about anything way more seriously than others.
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 1:17:54 GMT
My son is a lot like that. One of the things that helped was explaining that DH and I both let others know things like that. DH doesn't tell me he is going to lunch while he is at work and I don't tell him all my little errands, but if he is running late he texts me so I know whether to hold dinner or not. If I am going to book club some night then I tell him so he isn't wondering or worrying about me. When DS understood this things got a lot better.
It's been an adjustment for me as well, as DS works nights. I'm used to being alone all day when the kids are in school so I find that I have to be ok with telling DS where I'm going as well when we are both home alone during the day.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 30, 2015 1:54:34 GMT
I see that often with 18 year olds. They want to think they're grown and above having to account for themselves. With my own child and my students I simply tell them that I can treat them like complete adults if they want me to. But that would mean I was totally hands-off. Pay everything on your own, including doctors ' visits. No reminders about missing work and unexcused absences equal zeros for missed work.
It typically works for several weeks before a reminder has to be issued.
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Post by pmm on Jun 30, 2015 2:08:12 GMT
My kids are both pretty good about answering my questions about there where abouts and such. Whenever they have gotten annoyed with me and gave me attitude I really did tell them. "I'd like to know when I should start worrying about you not being home. It would be helpful to the police if I at least knew where you were suppose to be." If that didn't work I would throw in "You know I work in a hospital and if you are brought in and I don't show up to check in on you the staff are going to talk." I always get the info and an eye roll after that.
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Post by akathy on Jun 30, 2015 2:11:27 GMT
Given he is going to be living at home while he is an adult, it is fair to have a house meeting with everyone in the house and explain that you appreciate knowing each day if they plan to be home for dinner and why ( that you want to plan) and any other general house rules you feel like discussing, such as cleaning the bathroom, laundry, etc. Your house, so it isn't too much to ask for some basic courtesies. All 18 year old aren't like that. I think your DS is being rude.
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Post by maryland on Jun 30, 2015 2:16:27 GMT
Sounds like my daughters in a way. The 15 yr. old will be a junior, and she doesn't like to tell us anything. But she does tell me if she is going out or if friends are coming over. She knows that the more she tells us, the more freedom we give her. And she is great at answering her texts (and very friendly when she texts!). She has been hanging out with 2 boys from school almost every day this summer and they are the sweetest boys. She has been in a much better mood hanging out with them than with her girl "friends".
My 17 yr. old just graduated and she tells me she is doing something the minute before she leaves the house. But she doesn't have much of a social life, so we are always thrilled when she goes out.
I think teens think that we want to know where they are to be nosy "spy" on them. They don't realize that we just need to know where they are so we don't worry. And to me, the more I am told the more freedom my kids get.
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Post by marimoose on Jun 30, 2015 2:29:32 GMT
I want to say he is being rude and 'thought'less but it may very well be that he simply doesn't think about the reasoning of why you ask. Maybe a little discussion is needed. I have 4 kids and they learned early on that I wasn't simply being nosy just concerned so if they didn't appear at home in a reasonable time i might send out alerts. I do this with my husband - if I am going out somewhere I give him a general heads up as does he, now. We had a reminder talk a few months ago when he began behaving more like your 18yo. Its funny because if he comes home from work and we are all out he will call me to see where I am or if I am ok. I have received a check in call when I have been gone longer than usual at the grocery store. If my family wants dinner then I need to know when they might be home. I don't need nor ask for details about what they are doing. My older son who is back living at home is generally very good about this, even better than the youngest child. She isn't defensive about my asking, she is simply a scatter brain who might lose her head if it weren't attached.
I also sen to recall hearing my daughter's friend stalking about how when they turned 18 that their parents couldn't tell them what to do anymore. Thankfully that didn't become an issue with my daughter but it does seem to be a coming of age maturity thing for some.
We have used the word courtesy when discussing the check in policy because ultimately that is what it is. I would start there and gently remind him that there are rules in every household no matter the age because you care.
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Post by underwatermama on Jun 30, 2015 5:02:51 GMT
I have a 16 yo information hoarder so I feel your pain. Drives me crazy and I'm hoping he out grows it, but I'm not holding my breath.
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Post by georgiapea on Jun 30, 2015 5:11:06 GMT
I would probably say "If you want to tell me on the days you will be here for dinner I'll plan the meal accordingly. Or you can fix what you want when you get home".
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Post by Deleted on Jun 30, 2015 7:47:59 GMT
My son went through a grunting phase at 17 or 18. He didn't say much and he was very angry at himself. Oh man that was awful! Then he lost that rage inside. At 19 he quickly became thoughtful, helpful, observant, polite beyond my expectations, more affectionate--showed me in many ways he still needs his mama.
He never gave me attitude if I asked him where he was going. I never really asked though as most of the time our house was the hangout. After that he would ask me if it's ok if he went to so and so's house. He will always tell us if he will be home for dinner or not. He always let me know where he would be. Even now he tells me who's house he is at. He doesn't tell me everyone who is there, but he tells me where he will be.
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Post by gar on Jun 30, 2015 7:51:38 GMT
I just think it's all about trying to establish himself as an independent adult - to show you he's all grown up now and can do what he likes Bless him With my girls I just made it clear that I wasn't going to be cooking meals that might get wasted and I didn't want to be worrying unnecessarily about where they were so I needed the basic information at least. They were pretty good about it.
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Post by freebird on Jun 30, 2015 15:06:28 GMT
My biggest concern in all this would be the lack of respect. If you live in my house, and I feed you and use my utilites, you'll answer my basic questions when I ask you. Period. Everyone in my household contributes, period. If you can't contribute money (which is ok) you contribute in other ways like housework. And you respect your family for giving you such a generous gift. I'd tell him that too.
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Post by hop2 on Jun 30, 2015 15:16:41 GMT
My DD seems to think asking where she's going with MY car is treating her like a criminal. Lol. She's a good kid, tiny bit lazy but a good kid, no trouble. But, she is chafing with the 'courtesy' of following our rules with our car and in our home. I guess the newly adult thing has gone to her head
We had a talk about how being 18 entitles you to absolutely nothing. If you want a vehicle to use without strings go buy one. If you want to come and go as you please get your own place. Etc. She seemed to think 18 was a magic number and all the house rules no longer applied. Lol
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Post by cmpeter on Jun 30, 2015 16:28:59 GMT
Mine isn't great at volunteering on his own. But, if I ask he loves to share.
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Post by MizIndependent on Jun 30, 2015 16:31:15 GMT
I told mine that I don't have to know where she's going but it is nothing short of common courtesy to let the people you live with know when you'll be home, otherwise we worry.
So, she keeps me informed of her general movements and I don't freak the crap out on her and call out a search party. Win/win.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 30, 2015 17:28:38 GMT
I would probably say "If you want to tell me on the days you will be here for dinner I'll plan the meal accordingly. Or you can fix what you want when you get home". A couple of summers ago my dd, who was around 19 or so at the time, had reconnected with a few high school friends. They were gone all the time. While I loved how much fun she was having, it got really old, really fast, being just a hotel for her. Complete with maid service. I had a couple of discussions with her which were more like me fussing and she standing there. She did not get how rude her behavior was. Especially when it came to dinner. We'd fix a meal and she'd not show up. Sometimes that meant buying four steaks instead of three. She'd come home and say that she ate out with friends. I'd ask for a quick text early afternoon just to know if she'd be home or not but she wouldn't send them. So we stopped preparing food for four. One evening she came home and we had just sat down at the table. While there were a couple of side dishes that could be shared, there was also just enough of other things for three people. For a split second I considered sharing mine with her but I didn't. I told her she could have some of the sides and fix herself a sandwich but we got tired of preparing food when she wouldn't eat it so we stopped. She got a bit pissy but from that point on she let us know what her dinner plans were if she was out and about.
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Post by AnotherPea on Jun 30, 2015 17:33:48 GMT
My DD seems to think asking where she's going with MY car is treating her like a criminal. Lol. She's a good kid, tiny bit lazy but a good kid, no trouble. But, she is chafing with the 'courtesy' of following our rules with our car and in our home. I guess the newly adult thing has gone to her head We had a talk about how being 18 entitles you to absolutely nothing. If you want a vehicle to use without strings go buy one. If you want to come and go as you please get your own place. Etc. She seemed to think 18 was a magic number and all the house rules no longer applied. Lol Mine thought that when she graduated high school. @@ My father wanted to give my daughter a used car. We said thanks, but no thanks. Because we knew her too well. If it was going to be HER car, she was going to have to be completely responsible for it. New tires, repairs, insurance, the works. If I was forking over that money, I was going to have control. She once thought that my threats were idle and that she could do damn well what she pleased. Her friends all lived in dorms, even though they attended the local school, and they had complete freedom. She figured she should too. She didn't like the curfew we set and broke it a few times. I had warned her but she didn't listen. So one night when she came home I told her to hand over the keys. She lost the use of the car. Told her to spend the next hour or so figuring out the bus system. Her butt was up a 6:30 to walk to the bus. Took her two hours of riding and exchanges to get six miles down the road. She made it to class on time. And learned a valuable lesson. Once she got the car back she never missed curfew again.
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Post by kernriver on Jun 30, 2015 17:35:32 GMT
"Partly I ask what he's up to just making conversation. "
This is your first mistake. Its just a phase so stop asking him for any kind of details. If theres not enough dinner, oh well.
also, try walking out the door and just say "goodbye". No further explanation. See what happens. He will probably ask where you're going. Mumble something non-committal and keep on going.
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Post by bc2ca on Jun 30, 2015 17:43:41 GMT
I don't see it as an 18 year old thing. My 18 year old is great at texting me where she is during the day and letting me know what her plans are. My 16 year old is learning that it is just polite to keep us informed of your general whereabouts and if you are going to miss a meal.
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