anniebygaslight
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Post by anniebygaslight on Jul 5, 2015 5:11:22 GMT
Time to have the aunt talk. I love you sweetie, but unless you start controlling yourself , I will no longer be able to take you out on our special trips. She is 11, she can handle the truth. I would add to that 'if you chose to ignore my request, then I'm afraid I won't be inviting you over to stay again'.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 5, 2015 5:18:40 GMT
That would put me RIGHT on edge! I couldn't last three days much less three weeks. DD isn't a screecher but she has a friend who is/was. The poor kid was basically being raised by wolves until her dad moved back home with his parents where the girl would have a little stability. Now that she's been there a little over a year she's doing much better but it's taken a lot of hard work on the part of the dad and grandparents to get her over screaming about every little thing.
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Post by *leslie* on Jul 5, 2015 5:41:21 GMT
I have no advice. My daughter didn't scream or screech but my nieces do, they're 9 and 11. My BIL does nothing or if he does it's a really weak, "Girls, quiet down", with no follow up. We've been to the local ice cream shop and they are so loud it's echoing off the walls and the other patrons are giving them dirty looks. My husband was over at their house last week helping his brother out with something and he said it was so crazy loud that he got a headache. He said the two girls just feed off each other getting louder and louder.
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smginaz Suzy
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Post by smginaz Suzy on Jul 5, 2015 5:56:38 GMT
A spray bottle of water every time you hear a screech. "Whoops, sorry, I thought that was the cat screeching." Lather, rinse, repeat. Dang cat.
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uksue
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Jun 25, 2014 22:33:20 GMT
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Post by uksue on Jul 5, 2015 11:06:15 GMT
Clearly their parents method of 'discipline' ie yelling at the kids, has led them to be totally deaf to them. Yelling at them never achieves anything- 1, because it teaches then it's ok to yell, and 2, because it's easy to switch off and ignore when it is the only consequence.
I can never understand people who find it acceptable to allow children to misbehave in other people's homes - especially on this sort of extended trip .
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Post by ktdoesntscrap on Jul 5, 2015 11:46:03 GMT
Weird - I was on my phone earlier and couldn't see all the responses... Even though they get yelled at all the time, there are not really any consequences and they don't seem to care if they get yelled at. I think it is basically a lack of discipline and follow through. The younger one just turned 10 and she's forever doing handstands, cartwheels, jumps etc. We were playing jenga the other day and she would take her turn and then jump up and do a split or a handstand. I asked her numerous times not to jump in the house, while we were playing, etc. When I finally got up and said I'm not playing anymore, her parents thought I was being a brat. They said - she can't sit still and I said - don't let her eat so much sugar! I will definitely talk to both of them this week and let them know that the spa lunch is contingent upon them showing me they will be able to behave while there, which means no screeching and cartwheels in the house leading up to spa day. My two cents... Yelling is not the answer. With an 11 year old. Calm cool conversation is. Really Yelling is adult screeching and the kids know that better than anyone. In defense of the 10 year old. If my child could not sit still long enough to play Jenga.. I would take her outside. Kids need to move a lot! I bet 15 minutes outside of doing some handstands and good physical play she would have been fine to play the quiet game. You might want to think about what you will do before the spa so they can get their need to move out before they relax. Of course in the perfect world her parents would be doing this... but as apparently that's not going to happen.
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Post by peasapie on Jul 5, 2015 12:56:10 GMT
I don't even understand what screeching is.
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Post by Spongemom Scrappants on Jul 5, 2015 13:28:03 GMT
We were in a beach house with about 40 family members for the past few days. The general noise level was pretty loud at times. But add to that a few children screaming or having tantrums and it gets out of control quickly. Luckily, the parents in our situation took steps to nip it in the bud each time. This thread reminds me of the one about people feeling entitled to take their dogs everywhere. Someone on that thread made the tried-and-true comment that no one else ever thinks your pets -- or your children -- are as cute as you do.
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Post by pierkiss on Jul 5, 2015 13:39:38 GMT
Just tell her if she's going to keep screaming all the time you are not going to be able to take her anywhere. It's loud, it's annoying, and it hurts everyone's ears. And then stick to your guns. She's old enough to be able to control that.
This is all assuming there is nothing physically or developmentally wrong with her.
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calgal08
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Post by calgal08 on Jul 5, 2015 15:04:01 GMT
Kids I know that either scream or whine (both huge pet peeves of mine), when they're at our house I make it clear my house, my rules, which includes no whining or screaming. On the whole, because I'm not a parent, they good about it. If they do slip up I remind them of the rules.
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paget
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Post by paget on Jul 5, 2015 15:08:29 GMT
I raised three dds and they never shrieked so I know it is possible. We live on a cul de sac and every afternoon the little boys and sometimes girls come and and just shriek and scream while they play. It's maddening. We are also like wtf?! How can their parents stand it themselves let alone not care about the rest of the neighborhood? I seriously don't care about normal kid noise and fun- but the shrieking? Ugh. So painful.
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Post by sillyrabbit on Jul 5, 2015 17:19:35 GMT
I am a boy mom and didn't experience this screeching phenomenon so little girls screeching totally puts me over the edge. You have my sympathies.
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Post by leannec on Jul 5, 2015 17:34:26 GMT
My two dd's were never allowed to shriek ... at home or in public ... not even an option They were taught early how to behave in social situations and are often complimented now at ages 12 and 16 It is up to parents to give those lessons early so that the rest of us don't have to deal with the fallout
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gramma
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Post by gramma on Jul 5, 2015 18:03:24 GMT
Here's the conversation I'd have -
Girls - We need to have a talk. I know I've promised to take you for Mani-Pedis for your birthdays. Mani-Pedis are for grown ups and those who can behave like grown ups. Screaming is not grown up. Do you hear me screaming? So-if you really want to go there can be no screaming or mis-behaving. If you do it while we are there we will leave and come home immediately. So you need to think really hard if you can behave like grown ups. If you can't, that's OK, we won't go. But there will be no other birthday gift.
Just one cranky old lady's opinion
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craftykitten
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Post by craftykitten on Jul 5, 2015 18:21:23 GMT
OH my! You are a better person than me for having people in your house for 3 weeks.
I agree with all the comments above - you've got to tell her. Sometimes we have to be the person who tells off someone else's kid - but it's gotta be done. And do a test run before you get to the mani-pedi so that you can see if it's worked.
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M in Carolina
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Post by M in Carolina on Jul 5, 2015 18:49:40 GMT
I lived down the street from an elementary school outside of Chicago for a year. Oh my word. The screeching/screaming during recesses was incredibly loud, and I was on the other end of the block. It wasn't just the girls, though they were the worst offenders. The kids in my neighborhood here scream a lot, but they're the worst behaved kids dh and I have ever seen. They run out in front of cars all the time--we've called the police about it because it's so bad. No parents around most of the time. My 3 year old nephew screeches. At Christmas, my dh had a horrible migraine, and the kid kept screeching. No reprimands or punishments. His brother and sister are the ones who watch him/try to reprimand him, and they're so fed up with him. My evil SIL just makes excuses. She says people come up to her in stores and tell her that they can't believe how loud her kid is. (insert her laugh here). My BIL always has his head in his books for his doctorate or sermons and doesn't help. I think she lets the kids get wound up to punish him, but the kids' behaviour punishes the rest of us. My inlaws were really exhausted and stressed out, and my poor dh couldn't get any relief. One day he was so sick that I sat down in the living room with my niece and nephews and entertained them for several hours so I could keep nephew quiet so dh could get a nap. SIL was there, but she wasn't doing any parenting. I feel so bad for my niece and nephew who do most of the parenting. I took them to the Children's museum, but I refused to take the youngest. I couldn't keep up with him. Dh and I tell niece and nephew that we notice how well behaved they are (they really are extremely well behaved for 8 and 6) and that they do so much for their brother. Dh and I can see how frustrated the kids are with their brother's behaviour, but they're so sweet and loving with him anyway. Nephew also screams bloody murder during his bath every night. You'd think he was being scalded or someone was torturing him. EVERY.SINGLE.NIGHT. MIL and I have asked if nephew has any issues--like with textures/temperatures/etc, but SIL says they've taken him to the doctor and everything checked out. I dunno. I think it's horrible that the kid gets that upset every night. I'm not a parent and don't think I have the answers at all, but I don't think I could do something that upsets my child so badly, even once or twice, much less every night. My inlaws visited BIL/SIL for niece's kindergarten graduation earlier this year. MIL wound up in the hospital with pneumonia. The poor air quality in Detroit really bothers her, but dh and I also think that the commotion and noise just stressed her out. At Christmas, dh and I spend a few more days with his parents after BIL/SIL leave. We were really shocked at how exhausted his parents were this past year. They're just not bouncing back like they used to. If we said anything, it would start WWIII. SIL is so quick to judge everyone else, but she doesn't take her own advice well.
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Post by darkangel090260 on Jul 5, 2015 19:13:00 GMT
Why have a private talk with the young lady. The talk should be done with the parents sitting right there which basically says 'since you aren't doing your job as parents let me help you.' And then let the child know this isn't appropriate. That behavior is acceptable at 2-3 years of age . (Unless we are talking about a child with a disability. RockyMtnPea who is just finishing out a fabulous week at DISNEYWorld and who has stories about children and their awful behavior and the people who fail to parent them. ? That behavior is not acceptable at any age. If you let them do it at 2-3 they keep it up .If you start young teaching manners and how to behave then you do not end up with this problem. for the one who is jumping around. tell here to sit her ass down and behave or she can go out and behave like a animal.
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kate
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Post by kate on Jul 5, 2015 20:19:26 GMT
When you sit down with her to have that conversation, you might build in a code word - she is probably no longer aware of her own screeching, and she may "not know what you're talking about" when you try to talk to her about it.
You can make it something fun, like "Bananas," or you can make it something like, "Is it raining out?" that only you and she would understand. Give her a day or so to build her awareness, and see how she responds.
With my young students, I tell them that screaming makes me think there's an emergency. If someone screams in class after that (we do a lot of lively, fun activities, and sometimes the kids get carried away), I immediately halt the activity and ask what the emergency is. Usually it doesn't take more than a couple of times doing that, and the kids learn.
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scrappinmama
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Post by scrappinmama on Jul 5, 2015 20:43:37 GMT
That is awful. I don't know how you have handled it this long. I would definitely set up clear guidelines as to what is acceptable in your home and out in public. Screeching is one of the most annoying habits.
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Post by gramasue on Jul 5, 2015 22:31:26 GMT
I had one DGD who screeched. I told her the next time she did I would cut out her tongue with a dull paring knife. She stopped, at least when she was here. She probably still did it at home. Oldest DD is not ever going to get an award for disciplining her kids.
Eleven is way too old for that kind of behaviour. Our 11-year old DGD [other DD's kid raised strictly] comes over every Saturday, hops on the riding lawnmower and cuts 5 acres of grass for DH. She is worth every cent we pay her!
It's all in the way you raise them. Teaching them what is inappropriate behaviour, and following through with consequences should start around the 2-year mark at the latest. You might feel like a meanie while you're doing it, but boy, does it pay off.
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