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Post by Native New Yorker on Jul 20, 2015 18:54:59 GMT
One of my favorites. I started singing his version of the song to my students after hearing it for the first time.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 20, 2015 19:03:57 GMT
WHile I know from reading here that some find the book creepy, I've always just thought it was a story about the never ending love a parent has for a child. Would anyone share their reasons why they think it is creepy? You don't find the mother smothering her child, even as an adult creepy? I sure as hell do. I find the whole unable to let go of her child as an adult super creepy. I was always told that part of being a good parent is letting your child go and fly away. Not sneak into their room and "cuddle" them when they are adults. That's not cuddling, that's smothering. But I also do not understand why it makes people cry or sob through the story. Maybe that's another reason why I find it so bothersome. I don't like things that are intended to evoke that kind of emotion. Too manipulative. I didn't cry when I was forced to read it to my nieces and nephews, I just kept monotone because I didn't think reading it sarcastically with additional comments would have been appropriate. The backstory of how the story came to be doesn't change the creepiness. It's just how the idea came into his head. It's a children's book. As an adult, it might be seen as smothering. As a child, it's an assurance that your parent will always be your parent, no matter how old you both get.
Honestly, I think this is one of those instances where you have to have kids of your own to truly understand why parents get so emotional over this book. It's sad because, as adults, we're very aware that our kids' cuddliness has a limited shelf life.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 20, 2015 19:05:08 GMT
I get the point of the book, but still find it a bit creepy. ETA: and I have kids.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 20, 2015 19:15:50 GMT
I get the point of the book, but still find it a bit creepy. ETA: and I have kids. I would hazard to say that you are looking at it too literally.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 20, 2015 19:36:45 GMT
No matter the back story, it is still creepy, and I refuse to be guilt tripped into thinking otherwise Amen to this. "Take it literally"?? Wtf?? It's a children's book, not a bible. I take it for face value, and that's value is creepy! Well, people do read the Bible literally as well. I guess it takes all kinds.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 20, 2015 19:50:55 GMT
No matter the back story, it is still creepy, and I refuse to be guilt tripped into thinking otherwise Amen to this. "Take it literally"?? Wtf?? It's a children's book, not a bible. I take it for face value, and that's value is creepy! And yet somehow children manage to see past the 'face value'. Pigs don't talk, little girls don't survive being eaten by wolves, and Yertle is actually Hitler. (Okay, I forgive them for not getting that last one - most adults don't either).
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Post by apeacalledliz on Jul 20, 2015 20:00:30 GMT
You don't find the mother smothering her child, even as an adult creepy? I sure as hell do. I find the whole unable to let go of her child as an adult super creepy. I was always told that part of being a good parent is letting your child go and fly away. Not sneak into their room and "cuddle" them when they are adults. That's not cuddling, that's smothering. But I also do not understand why it makes people cry or sob through the story. Maybe that's another reason why I find it so bothersome. I don't like things that are intended to evoke that kind of emotion. Too manipulative. I didn't cry when I was forced to read it to my nieces and nephews, I just kept monotone because I didn't think reading it sarcastically with additional comments would have been appropriate. The backstory of how the story came to be doesn't change the creepiness. It's just how the idea came into his head. It's a children's book. As an adult, it might be seen as smothering. As a child, it's an assurance that your parent will always be your parent, no matter how old you both get.
Honestly, I think this is one of those instances where you have to have kids of your own to truly understand why parents get so emotional over this book. It's sad because, as adults, we're very aware that our kids' cuddliness has a limited shelf life.
As a parent of adult and near adult children I find the book creepy and that kind of obsession about your adult children suffocating. I love my kids, I have always loved my kids, but as adults living on their own when they aren't with me, I don't think about them everyday or night, I don't stop and wistfully stare off wishing for their toddler days back or one last cuddle. I understand that some parents are that way, that some feel like they are losing something as their children grow. Personally I look forward to each new thing they will experience or did experience... I look forward to the new milestones that will happen, I love their personalities, I love that instead of being in their lives day in day out(the ones who don't live here) I get to catch up and visit with them when they are here. I don't miss babyhood or toddlerhood... I love the relationships that I have with them in the here and now. That infantilizing adult children is what creeps me out, even if it was only in her head.
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Post by back to *pea*ality on Jul 20, 2015 20:05:38 GMT
I've always loved this book and now I love it more.
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Post by marianne on Jul 20, 2015 20:07:19 GMT
It's a matter of perception and interpretation, literally and figuratively. Just because you (generally speaking) find it creepy, doesn't make you right. To insist that it's creepy is simply projecting your feelings about the book onto others. Those who love the story and what it represents and symbolizes to them as parents aren't some kind of perverted, helicopter sickos. Maybe you really do have to be a parent to understand that that bond isn't something creepy... it's very, very special.
The first time I learned of the book was when my grown son, with children of his own, told me about it on the phone. He read the story to me, choking as he went, and I could barely speak through my sobs. I was, and am, eternally grateful that my boy feels the same way about his children as I feel about him. Like I said, a very special kind of love... and hardly creepy.
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Post by Dalai Mama on Jul 20, 2015 20:11:47 GMT
It's a children's book. As an adult, it might be seen as smothering. As a child, it's an assurance that your parent will always be your parent, no matter how old you both get.
Honestly, I think this is one of those instances where you have to have kids of your own to truly understand why parents get so emotional over this book. It's sad because, as adults, we're very aware that our kids' cuddliness has a limited shelf life.
As a parent of adult and near adult children I find the book creepy and that kind of obsession about your adult children suffocating. I love my kids, I have always loved my kids, but as adults living on their own when they aren't with me, I don't think about them everyday or night, I don't stop and wistfully stare off wishing for their toddler days back or one last cuddle. I understand that some parents are that way, that some feel like they are losing something as their children grow. Personally I look forward to each new thing they will experience or did experience... I look forward to the new milestones that will happen, I love their personalities, I love that instead of being in their lives day in day out(the ones who don't live here) I get to catch up and visit with them when they are here. I don't miss babyhood or toddlerhood... I love the relationships that I have with them in the here and now. That infantilizing adult children is what creeps me out, even if it was only in her head. What kind obsession with your adult children? As I said, it's a children's book, to be read to children. The children are relating it to the relationship they, as children, have with their adult parents and most parents relate it to the relationship they have with the children to whom they are reading it (hopefully not adults).
I do miss my children as toddlers and children (although, the idea of me staring wistfully is rather ridiculous). I also miss them as newborns and tweens. I might prefer them as teens but they were pretty awesome kids too. And, when they're adults, I'll miss their teen years too regardless of how great our relationship might be at the time.
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Post by J u l e e on Jul 20, 2015 20:25:15 GMT
I never liked the illustrations, *especially* the cover art. I probably judged heavily on that, even though we're not supposed to do that. Different illustrations may have swayed me. His story is heartbreaking, but I still don't like the book he wrote around it.
Now, The Paper Bag Princess. That's my favorite of his.
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Post by 505scrapper on Jul 20, 2015 20:48:05 GMT
Am I the only one that pictures Joey on Friends reading this at Emma's first birthday party as his gift to her? I don't have kids, so that may have been my first introduction to this book.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 20, 2015 21:33:02 GMT
Julee, I don't care for the illustrations either.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 20, 2015 21:39:01 GMT
Oh, and I've used children's books to help teach figurative language in high school, and I've started talking about symbols/similes/personification/allusions/idioms/etc... with my seven year olds at home when I read to them, so I'm kind of surprised to see some people think children's lit is supposed to be only read literally.
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Post by mimima on Jul 20, 2015 21:41:16 GMT
Amen to this. "Take it literally"?? Wtf?? It's a children's book, not a bible. I take it for face value, and that's value is creepy! And yet somehow children manage to see past the 'face value'. Pigs don't talk, little girls don't survive being eaten by wolves, and Yertle is actually Hitler. (Okay, I forgive them for not getting that last one - most adults don't either). I'm fine with allegory, and think it is a valuable lesson for children. I didn't censor it, although I don't think we actually kept a copy when the kids were little, I just never cared for the book. My kids are now adults, know and appreciate literary devices, and seem to be ok with me not reading it to them as kids.
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Post by anxiousmom on Jul 20, 2015 21:59:25 GMT
One- I think we are the only family that didn't have this book. Not sure why, but I can't even say that I have ever read the book all the way through. I read a lot to the kids, this just wasn't one of our books.
Two-I can be incredibly nostalgic sometimes for those moments in time when a boy (or two) would crawl in my lap for a snuggle. I miss those moments-not that I haven't raised them to be healthy, independent humans-but at the same time, I can still wish for those moments when I had those boys safely in my arms and for that brief moment in time all was right in the world.
I should probably note though that those feels of nostalgia are usually predicated on some assholish behavior of a teenage boy.
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Post by The Great Carpezio on Jul 20, 2015 23:18:11 GMT
Full disclaimer: I don't even own the book. I've read it twice to the boys.
I do sing Danny Boy to the boys almost every night (by request). That's pretty glurgey too.
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Post by *sprout* on Jul 20, 2015 23:31:01 GMT
Maybe you really do have to be a parent to understand that that bond isn't something creepy... it's very, very special. I am a parent. My DD and I have a beautiful bond. I love her beyond words. However, having that kind of love for my child does not mean I find this book endearing.
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Post by theshyone on Jul 20, 2015 23:38:52 GMT
Still creepy. Can't get the image out of my head.
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Post by marianne on Jul 21, 2015 0:27:18 GMT
Maybe you really do have to be a parent to understand that that bond isn't something creepy... it's very, very special. I am a parent. My DD and I have a beautiful bond. I love her beyond words. However, having that kind of love for my child does not mean I find this book endearing. Okay. Nor does it mean that that kind of love makes the book creepy. Just means you don't like the book.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 0:29:35 GMT
I get the point of the book, but still find it a bit creepy. ETA: and I have kids. I would hazard to say that you are looking at it too literally. If you insist.
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Post by Deleted on Jul 21, 2015 0:34:19 GMT
It's a matter of perception and interpretation, literally and figuratively. Just because you (generally speaking) find it creepy, doesn't make you right. To insist that it's creepy is simply projecting your feelings about the book onto others. Those who love the story and what it represents and symbolizes to them as parents aren't some kind of perverted, helicopter sickos. Maybe you really do have to be a parent to understand that that bond isn't something creepy... it's very, very special.The first time I learned of the book was when my grown son, with children of his own, told me about it on the phone. He read the story to me, choking as he went, and I could barely speak through my sobs. I was, and am, eternally grateful that my boy feels the same way about his children as I feel about him. Like I said, a very special kind of love... and hardly creepy. -->> parent, still find it a bit creepy; not UBER creepy. It's not a banned book in my home, I own the book. I don't think I'm right, it's my opinion.
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Post by Nanner on Jul 21, 2015 0:35:21 GMT
I like it. And I'm another one who could not read it to my kids without crying
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Post by marianne on Jul 21, 2015 1:02:08 GMT
-->> parent, still find it a bit creepy; not UBER creepy. It's not a banned book in my home, I own the book. I don't think I'm right, it's my opinion. Okay.
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Post by caangel on Jul 21, 2015 2:04:49 GMT
I gave this book and The Giving Tree away. Don't like either of them and I have young children.
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Post by Dani-Mani on Jul 21, 2015 2:06:29 GMT
I am a parent. My DD and I have a beautiful bond. I love her beyond words. However, having that kind of love for my child does not mean I find this book endearing. Okay. Nor does it mean that that kind of love makes the book creepy. Just means you don't like the book. Nor does it mean it isn't creepy. It just means YOU like the book. It goes both ways.
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Post by alittleintrepid on Jul 21, 2015 2:29:38 GMT
I might be biased because Robert Munsch is semi-local to me. He came to my elementary school when I was a kid and read to us (not this story!). Even as a child, I knew that we were just meant to get the message that the mother's love persisted even though he was grown and living a life of his own. I think most kids get that.. I find the story behind the story heartbreaking.
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Post by marianne on Jul 21, 2015 2:44:37 GMT
Okay. Nor does it mean that that kind of love makes the book creepy. Just means you don't like the book. Nor does it mean it isn't creepy. It just means YOU like the book. It goes both ways. Yes, yes it does. Which is my point... it's just a matter of perception and interpretation. It's a book; I like it, you don't - fine. The implication that there's something wrong (helicopter, smothering, creepy) with those who like the story isn't necessary.
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Post by Julie W on Jul 21, 2015 2:47:21 GMT
I read that book to DD and also another one which I never really paid attention to the fact that he wrote as well - Paper Bag Princess. Great book for little girls.
Good to know the story behind Love You Forever.
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Post by crazy4scraps on Jul 21, 2015 3:31:52 GMT
It's a children's book. As an adult, it might be seen as smothering. As a child, it's an assurance that your parent will always be your parent, no matter how old you both get.
Honestly, I think this is one of those instances where you have to have kids of your own to truly understand why parents get so emotional over this book. It's sad because, as adults, we're very aware that our kids' cuddliness has a limited shelf life.
I was always pretty emotionless when it came to things like this too before I had my DD. Reading something like that now would definitely make me bawl. This book in particular would make me think of my own dear mom who loved all of us unfailingly and who got so frail before she passed away, and that thought alone would make me sad. We were her babies as long as she was living, and now she's gone. It makes you consider your own mortality and that you won't be around for your kids forever either.
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